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 Asherian Command wrote:
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It vastly depend one where and how and where they strike. It also depends at what speed they reproduce and what sort of weapons they are carrying or get their hands on. It also depends on how our very divided planet react to their attack. If we start back stabbing each other for momentary gains we might be in huge trouble.

We lose if they have mekboys, painboys, or wierd boys, we have nothing our arsenal to deal with psychic threats. We would die simple and easy with our conventional methods.


Weirdboyz blow themselves up in no time and they have zero defences vs cruise missiles. The moment location of one is known lob in missile. Boom. Done.

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Let's be honest, guys. One daisy cutter bomb is gonna exterminate a 2,000 point army in 40k.

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500, 000 combat troops. Who cannot be cut off from their logistical support because they sleep anywhere eat anything, don't need resupply because they shoot by making pew pew noises instead of bullets.

They don't need medical teams (but have ones so effective they can get soldiers back into the same fight). They are never scared or intimadated, so they don't panic, run or surrender.

The weekest soldier can shoot, move, and comunicate. Won't wimp out, won't go to sick call, and won't try to stay in the FOB.

The initial city will fall in less than a day. Chaos (descriptor not faction) will spread from there. It won't take long to reach a loose containment less than a week unless they land somewhere that for logistical and geopolitical reasons major militarys can't be deployed. But then in the fallen city wierd things would start to happen as the Mechboys start building. And I have a strong suspicion Wierd boys and the Warp would do a number on all our precision guidence systems.
   
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Previous posters have hit really good points:

1) making groundfall for the orks would be the hardest part; they really aren't very likely to survive this, but many small roks spread out over several continents have a better chance than one large one.

2) if they did successfully land, the internet would identify and sit-rep the planet in a matter of hours; here the effected would be compounded by an ork attack on multiple fronts, not diminshed by it

3) if the attacks were as savage as they would be, and a city was about to fall, I believe that the entire city would be carpet bombed into a radioactive crater that made neighbouring cities unlivable for decade.

Not even the flies and roaches in the vicinity of those blasts would survive. And they don't need precision guidance, because they a designed to annihilate large areas. And there is layered redundancy to compensate for countermeasures.

Depending upon the city or cities under attack, there may be some hand-ringing about using nukes, but once they figure out the disease threat, final quarantine would be deemed an appropriate response.

While the sky is very well covered by long range weapons and rapid response fighters, there probably are some areas on the ground that are outside long range missile capacity, and if the orks got lucky and found one, their survivability would increase.

Civilian panic in dense cities is more of a threat than the orks themselves.

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Headlss wrote:
Who cannot be cut off from their logistical support because they sleep anywhere eat anything, don't need resupply because they shoot by making pew pew noises instead of bullets.


That's not how it works

Headlss wrote:
They are never scared or intimadated, so they don't panic, run or surrender.


They do so constantly, I am not sure what books you've been reading

Headlss wrote:
The weekest soldier can shoot, move, and comunicate. Won't wimp out, won't go to sick call, and won't try to stay in the FOB.


Grots won't wimp out? Uh...

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As far as the orks 'after' the main force was conquered. There have been numerous pieces of lore of 'feral' orks.

Basically the orks are operating at the fanatasy level unitl they band enough of them together to fight more modern.

So yes those trained local hunters would love to band together in groups of 8 to 12 to hunt one lone ork. Hunters go after Lions and Elephants all the time.....not necessarily legal. They just use bigger guns.

My employee loves shooting his 50 cal thru hardened target steel. I bet the orks get murdered by the thousands after they respawn.

Now the fun begins when more than 1 ork....and even much larger cunning bands kill some hunting parties and lure in a military response to a trap.....then it escalates.

As far as missiles go and such. The space battles and other large stories talk of death strike missiles, exterminatus, etc. There are all sorts of orbital constructs that can defend a 40k imperial planet.
So I think they have far more advanced tech in those areas. WE have very little in the way of orbital defenses.

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Agent orange?

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 Techpriestsupport wrote:
Agent orange?


You would kill people much more reliably with that then orks who are immune or extraordinarly resistent to most form of poison, radiation and toxic envirionment. An ork spore can surive for years in the vacuum of space and orks could fight in the radioactive wasteland of Armageddon. If they started to use "dirty" weapons we could face serious problems. Orks don't care about radioactive wasteland, but we do.
   
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Question. Do the orks have any kind of space presence. Cause if they do, our changes get a lot worse. Barring some kind of hidden technology (totally possible) even the most advanced nations don't have tech that could hit a fast moving object in space that can both quickly change it's course and fire back. Even a small ork kruzer would be a massive trump card.

If the orks knock out all of our satellites that's a huge blow to most armies from the bigger/more advanced nations. If they start bombing cities from orbit, civilian panic is going to cause just as many if not more problems then the orks on the ground themselves.
   
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doubt it even if the first several engagements went bad im pretty sure against an alien invasion we would simply nuke the concentrated portion then simply run clean up for the rest of time but no serious threat of the world falling to that number
   
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epronovost wrote:
 Techpriestsupport wrote:
Agent orange?


You would kill people much more reliably with that then orks who are immune or extraordinarly resistent to most form of poison, radiation and toxic envirionment. An ork spore can surive for years in the vacuum of space and orks could fight in the radioactive wasteland of Armageddon. If they started to use "dirty" weapons we could face serious problems. Orks don't care about radioactive wasteland, but we do.


We could engineer chemicals specifically to be anti fungal agents. Also, if orks are organic, biological beings ionizing radiation will kill their cells and damage their dna no matter how loud they waaauuugh!, so neutron bombs become valid weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb


Areas infested by orks could be patrolled by armed guards for years if need be to kill emerging orks as soon as they stick their heads up from the ground. Also the ground could bge swept with heavy duty microwave emitters to kill gestating orks spores.





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 Techpriestsupport wrote:
We could engineer chemicals specifically to be anti fungal agents. Also, if orks are organic, biological beings ionizing radiation will kill their cells and damage their dna no matter how loud they waaauuugh!, so neutron bombs become valid weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb


Areas infested by orks could be patrolled by armed guards for years if need be to kill emerging orks as soon as they stick their heads up from the ground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb


We would be armed by those weapons far more then we would hurt them. Orks have survived and even grew stronger after eating kilos of radioactice waste are a thing in the fluff. I doubt a neutron bomb would be an ideal way to get rid of them even though it could kill them. We would suffer from the massive side-effect of these weapons far sooner and more then they would. They, on the other end, will not hesitate to use similar weapons against us.
   
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Could Earth hold out ? Probably, if several countries united their forces. Would they though ? Probably not.

Let's face it : it's been 5 years and ISIS has not yet been defeated, despite being on the same attrocity level as Nazies. Our governments are for the most part composed of people who would see the Earth burn if they could make any profit from it (ans that's actually what they're doing). Orks would destroy us one after the other.

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I dunno. Isis has a big support base in the Islamic world and influentinial countries like Saudi Arabia are backing it.

What support base would green man eating monsters from space have?

Also an honest to ghawd alien menace from space is gonna unite a lot of people.




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 Nym wrote:
Could Earth hold out ? Probably, if several countries united their forces. Would they though ? Probably not.

Let's face it : it's been 5 years and ISIS has not yet been defeated, despite being on the same attrocity level as Nazies. Our governments are for the most part composed of people who would see the Earth burn if they could make any profit from it (ans that's actually what they're doing). Orks would destroy us one after the other.
The difference is that the Nazis were a governmental, military force. The only way to wipe out ISIS is to exceed even Stalin on the Crimes Against Humanity scale.

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 BaconCatBug wrote:
 Nym wrote:
Could Earth hold out ? Probably, if several countries united their forces. Would they though ? Probably not.

Let's face it : it's been 5 years and ISIS has not yet been defeated, despite being on the same attrocity level as Nazies. Our governments are for the most part composed of people who would see the Earth burn if they could make any profit from it (ans that's actually what they're doing). Orks would destroy us one after the other.
The difference is that the Nazis were a governmental, military force. The only way to wipe out ISIS is to exceed even Stalin on the Crimes Against Humanity scale.


Also the orks are literally not human, and quite self evidently so. There would be no empathy for them, no hesitation, no compassion, no mercy for them and no children to have compunctions for.

Given what humans have done to their own kind thru history I almost pity the orks for what it would do to them....

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It would depend entirely on how fast Orks replicate in a given setting. Something which has been retconned, massaged and described in a dozen different ways. If...killing an Ork produces another one or ten in a month - Earth is screwed. Technologically we'd actually be fine, particularly against a number as small as 500,000.

In many ways we have tech that far exceeds that used in the common 40K setting, outside of not having access to silly power weapons for close combat (something we'd more or less ignore as we'd be engaging at BVR-esque levels). Do we have the tech, manpower, and firepower to deal with something like an Ork invasion? Yes. If they reproduce super fast or efficiently - depending on which source of Ork fluff you're reading, then that's a genuine problem, but even then it'd be a life-long task of cleaning up remnants and small groups for the remaining time on Earth.

 
   
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I think they'd learn to burn ork bodies and possibly sew the ground with a Fungicide to kill spores.

Also killing large swathe of orks with napalm would help with the spore thing.

Just for the record, i'd be vastly more afraid of a single genestealer reaching earth than a ten thousand orks.

I can almost hear inquisitor Kryptman congratulating me on my wisdom...

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If they landed in the correct place in the world they may well be a gigantic problem before they were even noticed. It depends on how fast they start reproducing.

Rural parts of the world were they landed would be chaos. You wouldn't even know where to fight them at until they got established enough to be seen by satellite. You might be lucky to guard cities with modern military and play scorched earth with lands that have been infested.

It's also questionable about what could happen once anything claiming to be modern military turned up in Ork hands. Why would an ork hesitate to use a payload on anything? Our largest cities would look like the bigger fight that every ork is drawn to, and they would likely use any devastating weapon they could find without thought to civilian casualties. We'd have our entire way of life to lose.

While we making pretty pictures and good music, orkz are fightin n winnin
While we are playing and watching sports for funsies, orkz are fightn n winnin
While we are having trouble distinguishing what gender we are and in what restroom we use in public places, orkz is fightn n peein.
While our kids are trying to learn about literary elements found in books written two hundred years ago, orkz is fightn n winnin
While we are awkwardly dating one another to carefully select a mate who we might procreate with, orkz is fightn n reproducin

Really, how fast orkz reproduce and where they landed at would be very important.

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I reckon the best landing spots for them would be the Rainforests around the equator.
Cover from most satellite detection, plenty of shade for their spores to grow in.
And the Vietnam war shows how difficult fighting in a jungle is. Terrible visual range, tonnes of cover and concealment for the greenskins. And vehicles would be practically useless which is where humans (in theory) would have the largest advantage
   
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For starters , we’d see them coming because the size of any Roks or hulks would be larger than the usual asteroids etc Ofds that the Orks can even get ground faced with a planet worth of anti air firepower ?

Fluff wise the Orks do best when attacking without warning before superior imperial tech can be brought to bear. They entrench in urban areas and use Slaves to create new weapons.

If they make it onto the ground. Different story because we’ve never faced anything like them and most military forces are trained currently on anti insurgent / peacekeeping missions and not warfare against alien races who shrug off basic weapon hits and are brutal in close quarters.

Any conflict ends up being that familiar curve of any time in history where an enemy has taken the West by surprise- initial victory and consolidates until the inevitable fight back where greater numbers , technology and strategy begin to tell. Air power is the winner because our tech in terms of air to air is beyond that in 40k (leaving aside lascannons). Abilities like stealth and beyond visual range missile , our ability to bomb them into dust from the edge of the atmosphere etc

Hardest part would be that you’d end up with their initial areas of occupation essentially lost - they’d be sacrificed. Best part is the tech bonanza afterwards and you’d probably end up with a relatively unified planet that is going to use that tech.
   
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 TwilightSparkles wrote:
For starters , we’d see them coming because the size of any Roks or hulks would be larger than the usual asteroids etc Ofds that the Orks can even get ground faced with a planet worth of anti air firepower ?

Fluff wise the Orks do best when attacking without warning before superior imperial tech can be brought to bear. They entrench in urban areas and use Slaves to create new weapons.

If they make it onto the ground. Different story because we’ve never faced anything like them and most military forces are trained currently on anti insurgent / peacekeeping missions and not warfare against alien races who shrug off basic weapon hits and are brutal in close quarters.

Any conflict ends up being that familiar curve of any time in history where an enemy has taken the West by surprise- initial victory and consolidates until the inevitable fight back where greater numbers , technology and strategy begin to tell. Air power is the winner because our tech in terms of air to air is beyond that in 40k (leaving aside lascannons). Abilities like stealth and beyond visual range missile , our ability to bomb them into dust from the edge of the atmosphere etc



Hardest part would be that you’d end up with their initial areas of occupation essentially lost - they’d be sacrificed. Best part is the tech bonanza afterwards and you’d probably end up with a relatively unified planet that is going to use that tech.


I agree with some of what you said but it's been made pretty clear other races can't use orktech because it relies on orks believing it works.

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I like how bad sense of scale of this thread is. Going from 'trashing a city' (which the orks could probably do) to even 'conquering a country' is a huge leap, never mind going on a campaign of a world conquest. 500.000 is really tiny amount, to give you perspective, that wouldn't even man French front in 1914. That is even less than the Brits lost in battle of Somme alone. Never mind fighting something on the scale of WW2, mere half a million is half the troops Napoleon had. And he didn't even have enough to conquer half of Europe...

SpookyRuben wrote:
Since no one has mentioned it. 500000 orks, that’s 500000 combat troops. Not many militaries in the world can match that.

Actually, that is 10x less than Germany alone fielded like 70 years ago. And even with current army cuts, that is like 1/5 of what Europe alone can field without mobilization.

As for the whole fantasy tech thing. 40k tech is superior to our own in every way. Anyone who argues that our tech is somehow better is just wrong. I’m sure the Imperium of man has things like gps, radar, etc, etc. They also have directed energy weapons, space ships, fantastic materials technology.

Wrong. Individually, ork piece of equipment is better. So what? Ork gun might be better than M-16, but it sure as hell isn't better than 30 mm cannon on IFV. Ork rocket might be better than what modern soldiers carry, but it's 1) really inaccurate, 2) we probably have a lot more military vehicles than they do rockets. And once they run out of their magical future materials, they need to build using Earth era scrap. Guess what that will do to quality of their arms? How much ammo orks even carry typically, even not accounting for wasting it randomly all the time?

As for the orks. Their tech may seem primitive but it’s actually quite advanced. They have force fields, tellyportas, genetically ingrained training. The orks themselves are a technological weapon. An organic one, but they bring a whole ecosystem designed for one purpose, war. 500000 orks would be big trouble for earth today.

Eh, if PDF can beat orks, current militaries can do so too. 40K PDF even uses similar stuff to modern equipment, sure, it might be a bit better, but we have tons of it and unlike PDF in IoM our armed forces have integral, massive air support. Orks might be tough, but what can they do against SDB dropped right on their heads? Do they even have anything outside their planes that can shoot down Earth planes and cruise missiles in fluff?

Incidentally, I have seen calculations done by bored soldiers on how to deal with (not orks, but quite similar race) alien horde. Solution is actually very simple and cheap - dust off plans for M270 MLRS (or Soviet equivalent), and start pumping out missiles by the thousands. If orks disperse, they can be picked off by tanks and IFVs. If they mass, dozen M270s can blanket a square kilometre of land with enough shrapnel to tear everything to ribbons, from 40 km away. Then reload and repeat it after 5 minutes. And these things can be made by hundreds if USA or Russia actually got serious and went on war footing. How would orks even counter that?
   
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 Irbis wrote:
I like how bad sense of scale of this thread is. Going from 'trashing a city' (which the orks could probably do) to even 'conquering a country' is a huge leap, never mind going on a campaign of a world conquest. 500.000 is really tiny amount, to give you perspective, that wouldn't even man French front in 1914. That is even less than the Brits lost in battle of Somme alone. Never mind fighting something on the scale of WW2, mere half a million is half the troops Napoleon had. And he didn't even have enough to conquer half of Europe...

SpookyRuben wrote:
Since no one has mentioned it. 500000 orks, that’s 500000 combat troops. Not many militaries in the world can match that.

Actually, that is 10x less than Germany alone fielded like 70 years ago. And even with current army cuts, that is like 1/5 of what Europe alone can field without mobilization.

As for the whole fantasy tech thing. 40k tech is superior to our own in every way. Anyone who argues that our tech is somehow better is just wrong. I’m sure the Imperium of man has things like gps, radar, etc, etc. They also have directed energy weapons, space ships, fantastic materials technology.

Wrong. Individually, ork piece of equipment is better. So what? Ork gun might be better than M-16, but it sure as hell isn't better than 30 mm cannon on IFV. Ork rocket might be better than what modern soldiers carry, but it's 1) really inaccurate, 2) we probably have a lot more military vehicles than they do rockets. And once they run out of their magical future materials, they need to build using Earth era scrap. Guess what that will do to quality of their arms? How much ammo orks even carry typically, even not accounting for wasting it randomly all the time?

As for the orks. Their tech may seem primitive but it’s actually quite advanced. They have force fields, tellyportas, genetically ingrained training. The orks themselves are a technological weapon. An organic one, but they bring a whole ecosystem designed for one purpose, war. 500000 orks would be big trouble for earth today.

Eh, if PDF can beat orks, current militaries can do so too. 40K PDF even uses similar stuff to modern equipment, sure, it might be a bit better, but we have tons of it and unlike PDF in IoM our armed forces have integral, massive air support. Orks might be tough, but what can they do against SDB dropped right on their heads? Do they even have anything outside their planes that can shoot down Earth planes and cruise missiles in fluff?

Incidentally, I have seen calculations done by bored soldiers on how to deal with (not orks, but quite similar race) alien horde. Solution is actually very simple and cheap - dust off plans for M270 MLRS (or Soviet equivalent), and start pumping out missiles by the thousands. If orks disperse, they can be picked off by tanks and IFVs. If they mass, dozen M270s can blanket a square kilometre of land with enough shrapnel to tear everything to ribbons, from 40 km away. Then reload and repeat it after 5 minutes. And these things can be made by hundreds if USA or Russia actually got serious and went on war footing. How would orks even counter that?


Hell, even the classic soviet Katyusha rocket batteries could play merry hell with orks. Also as I said earlier good old fashioned daisy cutters would make a mess of a lot of orks in one go.

I would just hope to all hell the orks didn't have themselves any blood axes with them or, ghawd forbid!, the force was mostly blood axes. Those bastards would be the most dangerous ones of all. They've be willing to make deals with humans willing to sell out their own kind for their own sake and we all knowmtherecs be plenty of them. Plus they get strategy, tactics, organization, etc.

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Depends on where they landed. If they landed in a third world country, they'd take over rather quickly, and spread like the plague, multiplying long before we could manage to put them down, possibly causing us to lose an entire continent or two before we contained them and putting us in a constant state of war.

Then again, I honestly can't see humanity uniting fast enough to deal with it, even if they landed in a first world country, as divided as we are right now. It'd probably trigger world war 3, with countries opportunistically taking advantage of the conflict to do some land grabs, giving the Orks a chance to become entrenched.

Thing is, sure, if we were prepared for war RIGHT NOW, we could easily handle that. But an army of 500,000 killing machines far more durable than humanity, that reproduce by dying and fighting, just suddenly appearing out of nowhere without warning or preparation, with the objective of conquest? That would very likely allow them to take over entire countries or even continents before we really reacted in today's politics.

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Once cell phone video of orks eating human s got out, peolle would unite in a flash. Orks nuked.

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Considering some of the world's leaders at the moment, the orks may be welcomed.



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 Techpriestsupport wrote:
Once cell phone video of orks eating human s got out, peolle would unite in a flash. Orks nuked.
I commend your faith in humanity. But I gotta disagree. They'd see Orks as a tool to accomplish their own geopolitical objectives. Humans are complete bastards.

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HoundsofDemos wrote:
Question. Do the orks have any kind of space presence. Cause if they do, our changes get a lot worse. Barring some kind of hidden technology (totally possible) even the most advanced nations don't have tech that could hit a fast moving object in space that can both quickly change it's course and fire back. Even a small ork kruzer would be a massive trump card.

If the orks knock out all of our satellites that's a huge blow to most armies from the bigger/more advanced nations. If they start bombing cities from orbit, civilian panic is going to cause just as many if not more problems then the orks on the ground themselves.


Indeed. Humanity today would have serious trouble engaging any 40k-era starship, especially a capital ship. Proper saturation orbital fire can make a real mess of planned modern warfare.

Other than that, have a look at John Ringo's Posleen saga. It's a pretty good idea of what a massed ork invasion would be like.

500,000 orks the world could handle. It'd be sucky to be wherever they landed, but they're not going to conquer the world.
5,000,000 orks? That's more of a problem, because you're not going to wipe them out before they get their feet under them, and spores, looted assets and crude industry starts supporting the initial 'drop'

To put it into scale, the rough estimate of the armageddon invasion based on the old campaign codex was about 4,000,000 ork boyz, 100,000 artillery gunboyz, 300,000 speed freaks, about 100 gargants and 200 battle fortresses.



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