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The real problem is that in general most of the above 20% discount in the SC's is because of the already overpriced characters. So bumping the price cuts more of the actual value than it first appears. That said I dont generally do them and maybe (big stretch) this will open up the type of units they can put in them.

if only

 Vankraken wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
I wouldn’t be nearly as perturbed at a paint cost raise if they would change to a better pot.

We all pretty much know that GW paint is designed to dry out and now they want more for the privilege.

Exactly, Absolutely the worst designed paint pot I've ever seen and also basically the most expensive per oz paint. People have a leg to stand on when defending GW on their paint quality and color range vs cost but I don't think ive ever heard anybody justify the design choices inherent in their pots.

Serious question:
Do people not keep the rims of their paintpots clean? Never had an issue except when I got gunk building up that lets air in.

Price increase of the Start Collecting boxes I think is going to price some people out of starting the hobby or starting new armies while not everyone getting into the hobby wants to buy the various renditions of the "Employee of the Month Marines" vs the "Should of Called in Sick Marines". Not sure GW understands the psychological perspective that throwing on a 3rd digit to the price will have to American consumers (if it goes that high but 10£ probably means at least 15+ in freedom money). $100 vs $85 is a big deal in the minds of a lot of people which I wouldn't be surprised if it negatively impacts sales more than it helps boost profit margins.

I'm guessing that the Start Collecting sets that will get changed are:
Tau, Fyreslayers, Seraphon, Sylvaneth, and Skitarii.

All of those are better deals than buying components individually by a significant margin.

 Hulksmash wrote:
...maybe (big stretch) this will open up the type of units they can put in them.

This might be it. We’re soon due for a Daughters of Khaine SC, and I’m not sure how they could do anything different than the Blood Coven box, which was more expensive than an SC box. Also, GW raises prices on new releases, but evergreen products like SC boxes need to get price raises every few years.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
...maybe (big stretch) this will open up the type of units they can put in them.

This might be it. We’re soon due for a Daughters of Khaine SC, and I’m not sure how they could do anything different than the Blood Coven box, which was more expensive than an SC box. Also, GW raises prices on new releases, but evergreen products like SC boxes need to get price raises every few years.

You also have products like the Tau, Skitarii, Seraphon, Sylvaneth, Fyreslayer, and Ironjawz Start Collectings where you have a few items in there(Crisis Suits, Onager, Carnosaur/Troglodon, Magmadroth, and the Gore-Gruntas) that make up either a large portion of the savings or like in the case of the Fyreslayer set actually necessitated them discontinuing offering the product on its own.

I mean why would I ever buy Crisis Suits by themselves for $75 or Gore-Gruntas for $77 when I could get MOAR!!!! for $10 more?

 aracersss wrote:
is it confirmed 15$ hike?

GW confirmed via Facebook that some Start Collecting! boxes will go up by 5GBP and some will go up by 10GBP. In GW exchange rates logic, that equates to roughly an 8 and 16 USD equivalent. I'm expecting my $92.50 and $100 as the two new price points.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
...maybe (big stretch) this will open up the type of units they can put in them.

This might be it. We’re soon due for a Daughters of Khaine SC, and I’m not sure how they could do anything different than the Blood Coven box, which was more expensive than an SC box. Also, GW raises prices on new releases, but evergreen products like SC boxes need to get price raises every few years.

No they don't. The real costs of GW kits comes in design and making the moulds, not in the materials. Those costs are made up relatively early in the kit's life cycle, usually long before the kits end up in start collecting boxes.

At that point, they're just paying pennies for plastic. Start Collecting boxes make an absurd amount of profit, and don't 'need' price rises ever.

If GW ever had a sale or BOGOF kind of thing then I might be ok with this, but they never ever do.

 Vankraken wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
I wouldn’t be nearly as perturbed at a paint cost raise if they would change to a better pot.

We all pretty much know that GW paint is designed to dry out and now they want more for the privilege.

Exactly, Absolutely the worst designed paint pot I've ever seen and also basically the most expensive per oz paint. People have a leg to stand on when defending GW on their paint quality and color range vs cost but I don't think ive ever heard anybody justify the design choices inherent in their pots.

Price increase of the Start Collecting boxes I think is going to price some people out of starting the hobby or starting new armies while not everyone getting into the hobby wants to buy the various renditions of the "Employee of the Month Marines" vs the "Should of Called in Sick Marines". Not sure GW understands the psychological perspective that throwing on a 3rd digit to the price will have to American consumers (if it goes that high but 10£ probably means at least 15+ in freedom money). $100 vs $85 is a big deal in the minds of a lot of people which I wouldn't be surprised if it negatively impacts sales more than it helps boost profit margins.

I don't think there's any indication that GW even considers foreign markets. Starter sets (and some big models) merrily went three digits in America and later in Europe, and GW only ceased hiking the price short of 100 pounds.

I think they understand the psychological effect just fine. Everyone does, really. I never saw significant discounts on GW stuff at my local independent store for many long years. Now they habitually discount 125€ starter sets to get closer to 100€ because otherwise they're just not selling.

It just looks like GW happily makes policy around the domestic market and hopes the rest of the world takes care of itself.


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Voss wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
...maybe (big stretch) this will open up the type of units they can put in them.

This might be it. We’re soon due for a Daughters of Khaine SC, and I’m not sure how they could do anything different than the Blood Coven box, which was more expensive than an SC box. Also, GW raises prices on new releases, but evergreen products like SC boxes need to get price raises every few years.

No they don't. The real costs of GW kits comes in design and making the moulds, not in the materials. Those costs are made up relatively early in the kit's life cycle, usually long before the kits end up in start collecting boxes.

At that point, they're just paying pennies for plastic. Start Collecting boxes make an absurd amount of profit, and don't 'need' price rises ever.

I'm tempted to say the start collecting increases are motivated by getting more money out of individual sales because the success of recent years has left them unable to produce enough to satisfy demand. Until they get more production capacity it's probably the only way to keep profits or growth at the same level, and thus investors happy.

I was kinda wondering when this would happen after people talking about how they'd buy multiple of the start collectings for the savings on the units included.

I'm going to guess this is more to prevent under cutting themselves with some of the better value(and use SCs) than anything else. But we'll see when we find out which kits are being bumped up.

UK 2019 forecasted inflation is predicted to be around 2%. GW's £0.20 rise on paint pots is 8%. I'm sue there's some logic there............... Just struggling to see it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Vankraken wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
I wouldn’t be nearly as perturbed at a paint cost raise if they would change to a better pot.

We all pretty much know that GW paint is designed to dry out and now they want more for the privilege.

Exactly, Absolutely the worst designed paint pot I've ever seen and also basically the most expensive per oz paint. People have a leg to stand on when defending GW on their paint quality and color range vs cost but I don't think ive ever heard anybody justify the design choices inherent in their pots.

Serious question:
Do people not keep the rims of their paintpots clean? Never had an issue except when I got gunk building up that lets air in.

They are a real pain in the rear to clean as they have so many little nooks for the paint to collect and gum it up. Its especially problematic on pots that you need to shake a lot like the "metals" that tend to separate when sitting idle. Once you get a tiny build up then the pots don't seal correctly and it gums up even faster while drying out the paints. Compared to dropper bottles or even some of the more basic looking pots like P3's stuff, GW paint pots are pants on head levels of stupidity. It shouldn't take dedicated effort to diligently clean each pot every time you use them when all the other paint companies have figured out how to not make this a problem (simpler design or dropper bottle).

 AduroT wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Now would be a really good time to address some of the pricing imbalances in the international markets. Start collecting boxes already cost the equivalent of more than £80 here in Japan. Do they really need to make them cost even more?

Yes, it's a fact that in Japan everybody is swimming in big money. It's only fair that we pay a 60% extra to our GW overlords.

M.

Oh I know y’all are loaded over there. It’s kind of gotten to be a thing at the FLGS where foreign visitors have been leaving one of their local bills behind to be tacked to the wall behind the register. They’re mostly all 5 and under, plus one 10. The Japanese note? 1000. Fancy schmancy big spenders.

Wonder what would you call venezuelans... ^^


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 Vankraken wrote:

They are a real pain in the rear to clean as they have so many little nooks for the paint to collect and gum it up. Its especially problematic on pots that you need to shake a lot like the "metals" that tend to separate when sitting idle. Once you get a tiny build up then the pots don't seal correctly and it gums up even faster while drying out the paints. Compared to dropper bottles or even some of the more basic looking pots like P3's stuff, GW paint pots are pants on head levels of stupidity. It shouldn't take dedicated effort to diligently clean each pot every time you use them when all the other paint companies have figured out how to not make this a problem (simpler design or dropper bottle).

Surely what you mean is "they're working as intended", then

Dakka never disappoints.

 cvtuttle wrote:
Dakka never disappoints.

Well, GW never does it either. One step forwards, one backwards, one sideways...

I thought new kits where more and more expensive and old kits remained at a fixed price to avoid price increases, that whats they said in one of the reports.

So now we have new kits that become more and more expensive and old kits and packages that become more expensive too? Is not like SC! are made of new kits.

 Galas wrote:
I thought new kits where more and more expensive and old kits remained at a fixed price to avoid price increases, that whats they said in one of the reports.

So now we have new kits that become more and more expensive and old kits and packages that become more expensive too? Is not like SC! are made of new kits.

Generally yeah, but it’s not like they’ve never had wider price increases before.

I know, and they where bad before and they are bad now.
But when they say new kits will be more expensive so old kits can remain at a fixed price... eh... I don't know. I can see a problem there.

They where the ones to said that to justify themselves, not me!

Strange choice to raise prices on paints, which are easy to get from other manufacturers, and are already relatively pricey. Then again, with all the painting tutorials they provide, maybe they are confident people will stick with their paints so they can have the exactly colors.

But obviously all those videos and marketing and all the other stuff on warhammer community and warhammer TV, that stuff costs money. There's only so high a rate at which people can buy new stuff before they can't keep up. So they need to make more money somewhere.

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
UK 2019 forecasted inflation is predicted to be around 2%. GW's £0.20 rise on paint pots is 8%. I'm sue there's some logic there............... Just struggling to see it.

When did that price last go up? How about the cost of production? Inflation does not limit price increase.

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
UK 2019 forecasted inflation is predicted to be around 2%. GW's £0.20 rise on paint pots is 8%. I'm sue there's some logic there............... Just struggling to see it.

When was the last time GW incresed the cost of the paint cost and what have the accumulated inflation been under that time?

also the pound has lost in value and with brexit it will lose more, so all production cost will increase

Honestly, if you're still using GW paints in this age of Vallejo, Armybuilder, Reaper, P3, Coat D'Arms, Scale 75, Warcolours, and INSTAR then I have no sympathy.

Then again, may just be that I've been hardened by all those years of the annual $5 price rise. This is tame from what I expected at seeing the thread title. $0.20 on paint and $10ish on Battleforces is nothing compared to those days

tunih123 wrote:

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
UK 2019 forecasted inflation is predicted to be around 2%. GW's £0.20 rise on paint pots is 8%. I'm sue there's some logic there............... Just struggling to see it.

When was the last time GW incresed the cost of the paint cost and what have the accumulated inflation been under that time?

also the pound has lost in value and with brexit it will lose more, so all production cost will increase

But every sale outside the U.K. will be worth more, and frequently at a higher GBP price than U.K. RRP.

 Kalamadea wrote:
Honestly, if you're still using GW paints in this age of Vallejo, Armybuilder, Reaper, P3, Coat D'Arms, Scale 75, Warcolours, and INSTAR then I have no sympathy.

Availability is the issue for me - there are three places within walking distance of my workplace that stock GW paints. One also has some Vallejo (not the complete range), but none of the other ranges are stocked.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Serious question:
Do people not keep the rims of their paintpots clean? Never had an issue except when I got gunk building up that lets air in.

I've had new pots be useless when I've opened them.

 cvtuttle wrote:
Dakka never disappoints.

One of these days, DAKKA will actually post something, and then we'll be in for a real treat.

Until that time, there is no DAKKA, just a whole lot of people with a whole lot of opinions.

But yeah, price increases on already expensive things are never really warmly welcomed, I'd think?

 Azreal13 wrote:

tunih123 wrote:

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
UK 2019 forecasted inflation is predicted to be around 2%. GW's £0.20 rise on paint pots is 8%. I'm sue there's some logic there............... Just struggling to see it.

When was the last time GW incresed the cost of the paint cost and what have the accumulated inflation been under that time?

also the pound has lost in value and with brexit it will lose more, so all production cost will increase

But every sale outside the U.K. will be worth more, and frequently at a higher GBP price than U.K. RRP.

We have no idea what the increases will be outside the UK, if at all.

These are fairly minor increases given the state of the UK £ th. Given many of the things I buy have gone up by 15 - 20%+ over the last eighteen months.

Vallejo was a better deal than Citadel paints before, it will be even more so after this. I think that GW's model prices are pretty fair, but I don’t know where they get off charging so much for their paint.

Ignoring the price change completely I am just really amused by the art of the grot buying all the red paint pots.

beast_gts wrote:

 Kalamadea wrote:
Honestly, if you're still using GW paints in this age of Vallejo, Armybuilder, Reaper, P3, Coat D'Arms, Scale 75, Warcolours, and INSTAR then I have no sympathy.

Availability is the issue for me - there are three places within walking distance of my workplace that stock GW paints. One also has some Vallejo (not the complete range), but none of the other ranges are stocked.

You're on the internet, no?

I use almost all those brands and only have a GW within a 40 mile radius afaik that would sell anything like hobby supplies. Sure, every now and then you pick up a paint that was different to what you thought it might be, but these days I can google pretty much any paint and see a real example of it (rather than a useless digital paint swatch) and those missteps are certainly less costly than having to replace dried out GW stuff.