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 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'd be worried about a He-Man movie being attacked by screams of toxic masculinity.


It doesn't really fit the idea of toxic masculinity that I can see. He Man isn't being butch and macho to the point where it damages him or those around him.

If it was going to come into criticism for anything it would be the idea of a very "narrow" definition of masculinity, or that the female characters wear very little on a serial basis. But then, the actual female personalities are quite strong, so with a little discretion from the wardrobe dept in the designs that problem could be completely avoided.

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 Lance845 wrote:
But I don't mind the scale to which skeletor is made evil and depraved and the ways in which characters who were all hulking muscle men warriors were given more varied and nuanced niches.


TFW you see a He-Man imagining and go "Iggy Pop would be perfect for that".

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I don’t like that feminine Skeletor.

   
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Yeah, thats a VERY feminine skeletor

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 Azreal13 wrote:
 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'd be worried about a He-Man movie being attacked by screams of toxic masculinity.


It doesn't really fit the idea of toxic masculinity that I can see. He Man isn't being butch and macho to the point where it damages him or those around him.

If it was going to come into criticism for anything it would be the idea of a very "narrow" definition of masculinity, or that the female characters wear very little on a serial basis. But then, the actual female personalities are quite strong, so with a little discretion from the wardrobe dept in the designs that problem could be completely avoided.


Also it's not like the men in He-man are not just as regularly scantily clad. It's actually the one property where basically everyone has no shame. The Eternian Army is basically a bunch of mustachioed men in loin cloths and half shirts with a mix of swords and laser guns.

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 Galas wrote:
Yeah, thats a VERY feminine skeletor


Yeah, and I doubt he'd be capable of "raping a woman to pieces". I know some women who'd probably crack him like a peanut in bed.

Also would this skeletor have Pann-thor?

I wonder what this guy did to the sorceress?

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 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'd be worried about a He-Man movie being attacked by screams of toxic masculinity.


I'd honestly expect the opposite. The usual suspects crying about how Prince Adam is a 'beta' and how the alter-ego devalues the 'pure male power' of He-Man.

shrug. It's a forgettable kids property designed to sell toys, which didn't really last very long. Odds are good it will be a forgettable movie.

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What a tedious re-imagining that turns it into another pointless sink of nihilism. And the less said about Evil Lyn the better.


That and I don't get why at least half of these dudes are in weirdo "I peed myself" anime girl poses. I don't even like those on anime girls because they're silly.
   
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I will give thks guy credit for his reminaging of triclops. Instead of just another warrior fighter who can shoot rays out of his 3 eyes he becomes a seer with the abilty to see into the past, present and future. That was actually pretty clever.

Maybe take it further and make him deaf, his ability to see thru time and space came at the cost of his hearing. Skeletor has to sign to him and he can only see, not hear, different times and places.

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Voss wrote:
It's a... kids property designed to sell toys


Well yeah, basically. Short but interesting.




Voss wrote:
which didn't really last very long.


If it didn't last that long we wouldn't still be talking about it 30+ years later; it isn't the pinnacle of anything but it has had some surprisingly sturdy legs. Unless you mean the cartoon series then yeah I think it was only two seasons. The visuals have kept some place in pop culture but the movie/cartoons don't seem to last long. It is a bit odd.

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It barely managed two seasons.

Those legs are wibbly plastic. Lots of people talk about cartoons and shows that were on during their childhood, nostalgia goes pretty far, regardless of reality.

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Voss wrote:
It barely managed two seasons.

Those legs are wibbly plastic. Lots of people talk about cartoons and shows that were on during their childhood, nostalgia goes pretty far, regardless of reality.



Bleh I realized you were probably referring to the cartoons, which indeed didn't last that long, and was editing the post while you responded. I went at looked at the 'Classics' line and man those prices ($50-200 a figure) were up there so it may be mostly adults that are into it as that isn't a "play with toy" price for kids. I still think the visuals, especially Skeletor, have held up but they do seem to have issues with trying to make other media out of the property.

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If its two hours of this...




...then it will be a roaring success!

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 Lance845 wrote:
There was a guy a long while back who made a bunch of concept art reimagining He Man as a more mature concept. The art was all top notch and the stories he wrote for them were pretty good.

I found his descriptions.

http://comicartistevolution.tumblr.com/post/103187127576/marko-djurdjevics-masters-of-the-universe


He made skeletor less buff and more of an evil sorcerer. Instead of him just being an evil he man the contrast between warrior and sorcerer was more interesting.

I remember Man-e-faces was not a guy with weird head gear and lots of faces. The head gear was sentient and controlled the people it attached to as it drained their life force and turned them into husks before moving on to it's next host.

Triclops was Skeletors seer. With one eye seeing the past, one the future, and one the present.

A lot of neat ideas in there.


Some of his concept art & fluff is good (Trap-Jaw and Zodak for instance) and some is just really bad.

He-Man an anti-hero? Give me a break.
Skeletor has a transsexual vibe to him. No way Jose!
Evil-Lyn raped into pieces by Skeletor? Disgusting. The artist should better keep his rape porn fantasies to himself.

Also some characters seemed to forgot to work out. It´s the 80s baby and action heroes from that era like Schwarzenegger and Stallone were buff. Also his notion that buff characters won´t work today is just plain wrong. MOTU comic series has been relaunched successfully last year. They also did a new DC crossover.
Guys like him destroy franchises with their "bright" ideas.


Here is one of my favourite comics from that era:

http://old.he-man.org/primary_sects/comics/html/mini_comics/motu/comic_pages/00000001/00cover.shtml

That art style defines what MOTU is all about.

I hope the new movie will be a success and I will watch it in cinema.

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 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'd be worried about a He-Man movie being attacked by screams of toxic masculinity.


Considering that people who bellow that phrase outside of Twitter are usually met with sniggering and eye-rolling from the overwhelming majority of the adult population, I would say it probably will.

But on the other hand, He-Man was probably the most homoerotic thing ever.

Literally every dude was muscular and ran around in his underwear with a few things strapped over his torso. Even Skeletor was ripped.

Yeah, sure, He-Man's cartoon started with him PUNCHING YOU IN THE FACE after he introduced himself- but, I mean He-Man would blow Teela off and run around with that mustachioed penis-helmet guy all day.

I'm just saying... full of men? Yeah. But I don't think we'll see He-Man grabbing up topless chicks and telling the Sorceress to make him a sandwich...

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'd be worried about a He-Man movie being attacked by screams of toxic masculinity.


Considering that people who bellow that phrase outside of Twitter are usually met with sniggering and eye-rolling from the overwhelming majority of the adult population, I would say it probably will.

But on the other hand, He-Man was probably the most homoerotic thing ever.

Literally every dude was muscular and ran around in his underwear with a few things strapped over his torso. Even Skeletor was ripped.

Yeah, sure, He-Man's cartoon started with him PUNCHING YOU IN THE FACE after he introduced himself- but, I mean He-Man would blow Teela off and run around with that mustachioed penis-helmet guy all day.

I'm just saying... full of men? Yeah. But I don't think we'll see He-Man grabbing up topless chicks and telling the Sorceress to make him a sandwich...


Toxic masculinity in MOTU? I didn´t know that He-Man & Skeletor sell razors nowadays.
   
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 Strg Alt wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
There was a guy a long while back who made a bunch of concept art reimagining He Man as a more mature concept. The art was all top notch and the stories he wrote for them were pretty good.

I found his descriptions.

http://comicartistevolution.tumblr.com/post/103187127576/marko-djurdjevics-masters-of-the-universe


He made skeletor less buff and more of an evil sorcerer. Instead of him just being an evil he man the contrast between warrior and sorcerer was more interesting.

I remember Man-e-faces was not a guy with weird head gear and lots of faces. The head gear was sentient and controlled the people it attached to as it drained their life force and turned them into husks before moving on to it's next host.

Triclops was Skeletors seer. With one eye seeing the past, one the future, and one the present.

A lot of neat ideas in there.


Some of his concept art & fluff is good (Trap-Jaw and Zodak for instance) and some is just really bad.

He-Man an anti-hero? Give me a break.
Skeletor has a transsexual vibe to him. No way Jose!
Evil-Lyn raped into pieces by Skeletor? Disgusting. The artist should better keep his rape porn fantasies to himself.

Also some characters seemed to forgot to work out. It´s the 80s baby and action heroes from that era like Schwarzenegger and Stallone were buff. Also his notion that buff characters won´t work today is just plain wrong. MOTU comic series has been relaunched successfully last year. They also did a new DC crossover.
Guys like him destroy franchises with their "bright" ideas.


Here is one of my favourite comics from that era:

http://old.he-man.org/primary_sects/comics/html/mini_comics/motu/comic_pages/00000001/00cover.shtml

That art style defines what MOTU is all about.

I hope the new movie will be a success and I will watch it in cinema.



To be fair, he didnt make this art "recently". I think thats all 10+ years old now. So comparing statements like what would work today vs mid 2000ish is a little more subjective. Also i didnt see he-man there as an anti hero (like deadpool or the punisher who are "heroes" who do non heroic things. His he-man was a hero on the down and outs. One who suffered some pretty severe defeats and had to claw his way back up. There was nothing anti about him.


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I hope no one tries to update she ra. Especially this guy.

Btw only good scene from shera..... https://youtu.be/U_j24LOBHKcn

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 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I hope no one tries to update she ra. Especially this guy.

Btw only good scene from shera..... https://youtu.be/U_j24LOBHKcn


As far as the new She-Ra is concerned, I was fine with it being... whatever it is. I'm not the target audience, so whatever. I'm just really, really not a fan of that art style that seems to be cropping up in so many cartoons. It just seems so... lazy and boring, and I don't think it works with more 'serious' cartoons, even kids' cartoons.

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 Lance845 wrote:
 Strg Alt wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
There was a guy a long while back who made a bunch of concept art reimagining He Man as a more mature concept. The art was all top notch and the stories he wrote for them were pretty good.

I found his descriptions.

http://comicartistevolution.tumblr.com/post/103187127576/marko-djurdjevics-masters-of-the-universe


He made skeletor less buff and more of an evil sorcerer. Instead of him just being an evil he man the contrast between warrior and sorcerer was more interesting.

I remember Man-e-faces was not a guy with weird head gear and lots of faces. The head gear was sentient and controlled the people it attached to as it drained their life force and turned them into husks before moving on to it's next host.

Triclops was Skeletors seer. With one eye seeing the past, one the future, and one the present.

A lot of neat ideas in there.


Some of his concept art & fluff is good (Trap-Jaw and Zodak for instance) and some is just really bad.

He-Man an anti-hero? Give me a break.
Skeletor has a transsexual vibe to him. No way Jose!
Evil-Lyn raped into pieces by Skeletor? Disgusting. The artist should better keep his rape porn fantasies to himself.

Also some characters seemed to forgot to work out. It´s the 80s baby and action heroes from that era like Schwarzenegger and Stallone were buff. Also his notion that buff characters won´t work today is just plain wrong. MOTU comic series has been relaunched successfully last year. They also did a new DC crossover.
Guys like him destroy franchises with their "bright" ideas.


Here is one of my favourite comics from that era:

http://old.he-man.org/primary_sects/comics/html/mini_comics/motu/comic_pages/00000001/00cover.shtml

That art style defines what MOTU is all about.

I hope the new movie will be a success and I will watch it in cinema.



To be fair, he didnt make this art "recently". I think thats all 10+ years old now. So comparing statements like what would work today vs mid 2000ish is a little more subjective. Also i didnt see he-man there as an anti hero (like deadpool or the punisher who are "heroes" who do non heroic things. His he-man was a hero on the down and outs. One who suffered some pretty severe defeats and had to claw his way back up. There was nothing anti about him.


Quoted from the link:

He-Man, the Fallen

Of all heroes He-man needed a serious face-lifting. Back in the 80’s he might have been cool, but his design lacked everything that is cool today. I chose to make him more of an anti-hero, a broken king or a better brigand. I still went with his barbaric heritage but chose to give him a more Kurt Cobain like haircut, underlining his fate. I still wanted him to be readable as He-Man, so my changes on the design were minimal.
   
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 Strg Alt wrote:

Quoted from the link:

He-Man, the Fallen

Of all heroes He-man needed a serious face-lifting. Back in the 80’s he might have been cool, but his design lacked everything that is cool today. I chose to make him more of an anti-hero, a broken king or a better brigand. I still went with his barbaric heritage but chose to give him a more Kurt Cobain like haircut, underlining his fate. I still wanted him to be readable as He-Man, so my changes on the design were minimal.


Kurt Cobain-Man

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I get that he WROTE that but hes using the term wrong. Hes litterally a disposed prince leading a resistence. Acording to the sum total of all those little stories makes him no more an anti hero then princess leia.

In order to be an anti hero you have to actually do non-heroic things.


As to the hair, its MILES better than the bowl cut pixie bob.


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In particular i like the top right sketch where it looks like hes got a bit of a top knot.

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 Lance845 wrote:

As to the hair, its MILES better than the bowl cut pixie bob.


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In particular i like the top right sketch where it looks like hes got a bit of a top knot.

I'm not concerned about the style of the hair, I'm more concerned about how over the top it is to unironically say something like, "I decided to make He-Man more hip for today's kids by giving him a Kurt Cobain haircut to underline his fate as an anti-hero," when discussing an IP featuring characters with such names as Evil-Lyn and Fisto

But having not followed this very well, I thought you guys were talking about concept art tied to the movie as opposed to an artist just putting his spin on things for the creative fun of it. Nothing wrong with that.

 
   
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 Luciferian wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:

As to the hair, its MILES better than the bowl cut pixie bob.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
In particular i like the top right sketch where it looks like hes got a bit of a top knot.

I'm not concerned about the style of the hair, I'm more concerned about how over the top it is to unironically say something like, "I decided to make He-Man more hip for today's kids by giving him a Kurt Cobain haircut to underline his fate as an anti-hero," when discussing an IP featuring characters with such names as Evil-Lyn and Fisto

But having not followed this very well, I thought you guys were talking about concept art tied to the movie as opposed to an artist just putting his spin on things for the creative fun of it. Nothing wrong with that.


Yeah. People were saying something along the lines of "how would you even update this for live action and be good?" And then i remembered that attist and dug up the link. Its just some guy who did it for funsies.


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So I've seen something that discussed some of the rumored characterization and included characters, the caveat attached being that these were apparently prior to the new writing team coming in board, so may be subject to total change.

Man At Arms. An elder whose experience will be used as a vehicle for exposition.
Teela. In the Eternian military and in the "Lois Lane" mould for Adam/He Man.
Orko. Broadly similar but a human rather than a random floaty bod.
Stratos. An "angel of death" and head of security of the prison where Skeletor is held (and presumably escapes from.)
Zodac. Perhaps the biggest departure (but also the vaguest character.) Will fulfill a Miagi role to He Man's Daniel-san.

Beastman. A shape shifter who can assume various animal guises. Skeleton uses him as a spy and infiltrator as well as a formidable fighter.
Evil Lyn. Largely unchanged, powerful witch and Skeletor's lieutenant.
Trap Jaw. An android, I think there was more but can't recall.

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I don't like the beastman bit there.

I actually really enjoy the shamanist change given to him in the art thing I posted. He's a tribal monster that commands monsters. A Beast Master for the bad guys.

I hope they go with that instead.

Everything else there looked fine.


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