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I've backed the artbook, as I do like the art even though I've given up on their games due to V.3 and the inaccessibility and silly EU pricing of their models.
Nonetheless, it seems to be struggling to fund, which shows that there's maybe not much call for this?

grahamdbailey wrote:
I've backed the artbook, as I do like the art even though I've given up on their games due to V.3 and the inaccessibility and silly EU pricing of their models.
Nonetheless, it seems to be struggling to fund, which shows that there's maybe not much call for this?

I think its more that its a very short window and they didn't hype it like mad before launch. However I think it also just reflects that it is indeed a niche product. If this were a new army or models or alternate sculpts you can bet it would have generated a lot more backing by now (of course the costs would also be far greater)

 Sarouan wrote:

 malfred wrote:


They never made the miniature before.

It's just an Iron Kingdom monster variant of the Tomb Maiden.

Spoiler:

https://privateerpress.com/iron-kingdoms/miniatures/tomb-maiden

Interesting definition of "just" - the original Tomb Maiden model for IKRPG would've been a hand-sculpt, given when it was released.

Given the preview of the model is a render, that implies a CAD-sculpt.

This isn't someone just sculpting a new head/torso and re-using existing parts - this is a brand-new sculpt, from scratch, though using some design cues from the original model (which, btw, is a PITA to build - ruddy three-part joins...)

I think it's great that they're making an art book. It's not for me, but if fans want it, then they'll pay for it.

But holy crap......50k just to fund the printing of a book is excessive. Very excessive.

It costs about 10-20k to print a run large enough for this KS (I have first hand knowlegldge about printing rule books) at the most.

Why do they need another 30k for previous artwork?

I'd have to agree with others that identify this as a cash grab.

 Ghool wrote:
I think it's great that they're making an art book. It's not for me, but if fans want it, then they'll pay for it.

But holy crap......50k just to fund the printing of a book is excessive. Very excessive.

It costs about 10-20k to print a run large enough for this KS (I have first hand knowlegldge about printing rule books) at the most.

Why do they need another 30k for previous artwork?

I'd have to agree with others that identify this as a cash grab.

Because profits?

Why would PP set the Kickstarter goal at 20K if that's how much it costs to have the books printed in the first place, leaving them with no profits? Companies don't generally produce content and give it to consumers out of the goodness of their hearts.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Ghool wrote:
I think it's great that they're making an art book. It's not for me, but if fans want it, then they'll pay for it.

But holy crap......50k just to fund the printing of a book is excessive. Very excessive.

It costs about 10-20k to print a run large enough for this KS (I have first hand knowlegldge about printing rule books) at the most.

Why do they need another 30k for previous artwork?

I'd have to agree with others that identify this as a cash grab.

Because profits?

Why would PP set the Kickstarter goal at 20K if that's how much it costs to have the books printed in the first place, leaving them with no profits? Companies don't generally produce content and give it to consumers out of the goodness of their hearts.

When I say it takes about 20k I mean the entire cost.
After helping run two KS for rulebook and models (and seeing actual real-life, local printing costs....and not cheaper from China), yeah I wonder what they need almost 30k in profits for.
Another friend also printed a full colour, glossy rulebook with spot varnish and all that, and even printed it locally. It didn't cost more than 20k CAD even paying all the artists and designer.
PP is using already made, previously paid for art. All they have to cover here is the layout and printing. Which doesn't cost 50k in USD.

Most companies run a margin under 30%. The margin for this is over 60%.
So, cash grab? Yeah I think so.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:

 malfred wrote:


They never made the miniature before.

It's just an Iron Kingdom monster variant of the Tomb Maiden.

Spoiler:

https://privateerpress.com/iron-kingdoms/miniatures/tomb-maiden

Interesting definition of "just" - the original Tomb Maiden model for IKRPG would've been a hand-sculpt, given when it was released.

Given the preview of the model is a render, that implies a CAD-sculpt.

This isn't someone just sculpting a new head/torso and re-using existing parts - this is a brand-new sculpt, from scratch, though using some design cues from the original model (which, btw, is a PITA to build - ruddy three-part joins...)

It IS a new sculpt for a new game, so there's that. This promotes the Riot Quest game.

 Ghool wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Ghool wrote:
I think it's great that they're making an art book. It's not for me, but if fans want it, then they'll pay for it.

But holy crap......50k just to fund the printing of a book is excessive. Very excessive.

It costs about 10-20k to print a run large enough for this KS (I have first hand knowlegldge about printing rule books) at the most.

Why do they need another 30k for previous artwork?

I'd have to agree with others that identify this as a cash grab.

Because profits?

Why would PP set the Kickstarter goal at 20K if that's how much it costs to have the books printed in the first place, leaving them with no profits? Companies don't generally produce content and give it to consumers out of the goodness of their hearts.

When I say it takes about 20k I mean the entire cost.
After helping run two KS for rulebook and models (and seeing actual real-life, local printing costs....and not cheaper from China), yeah I wonder what they need almost 30k in profits for.
Another friend also printed a full colour, glossy rulebook with spot varnish and all that, and even printed it locally. It didn't cost more than 20k CAD even paying all the artists and designer.
PP is using already made, previously paid for art. All they have to cover here is the layout and printing. Which doesn't cost 50k in USD.

Most companies run a margin under 30%. The margin for this is over 60%.
So, cash grab? Yeah I think so.

First of all, seriously, who cares? Who cares if they want to make extra margin on top? If the demand is there, then by all means, they should be allowed to make the money.

But second of all, 50k is not a great deal of money. I don't know when the last time was that you opened a PP rulebook and looked at the huge list of names credited for work, but PP is not some little 5-person company. I think you're grossly underestimating the necessary cost, regardless your limited experience, as well as the amount of work necessary to create a product that could be expected out of a company with the size and reputation of PP. The scale at which they need to operate successfully at is much bigger, with bigger consequences. The margin of error they need to plan for is that much larger, too. Intelligent business is full of calculated risks, but in a situation like this, where they're creating an ancillary product that only a small margin of their customer base will want in the first place (and in part out of, what I can only assume, is the personal desire of the company head and owner Matt Wilson who literally started the company on the strength of his own incredible artwork), it would be pure stupidity to assume too much risk.

I mean if you don't want it, cool. Don't buy it. But don't be on some imaginary high horse, either, about how much money a company should be allowed to make.

Some people are passionate about the artwork. Let us spend our money without trying to change our opinions about being happy customers.

If you're wondering about the shorter campaign:

Thank you!

The reason for the shorter campaign is exactly that: stagnation. Shorter campaigns are becoming more popular because most of the gains for a Kickstarter project happen in the first 72 hours and the last 72 hours. To avoid the long valley in the middle, campaigns are starting to get shorter. In the case of this project, we believe we will effectively be able to reach the population that is interested in the art book within two working weeks.

Things WILL slow down, as they always do. But we will keep our marketing and messaging up through the end of the campaign to do our best to reach as many people as possible.

I don't care if they want to make scads of money.
Ultimately it's up to whomever buys the thing if they think it's worth it.
I'm just curious as to why such a large margin is needed. No complaints just curiosity. There's no high horse here - just an explanation of what I know.

I find it so strange the amount of hostility these days because there's a discussion. It's not like I'm telling everyone not to buy it.
It appears as though this is an attempt to create some solvency with a low cost product.
Why am I being construed as a jerk because I made an observation?

It's not really a big deal dude. Just a couple people talking about stuff. No need to get so up in arms about that.
But don't worry, I'm done with this discussion.

 Pugnacious_Cee wrote:

 Ghool wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Ghool wrote:
I think it's great that they're making an art book. It's not for me, but if fans want it, then they'll pay for it.

But holy crap......50k just to fund the printing of a book is excessive. Very excessive.

It costs about 10-20k to print a run large enough for this KS (I have first hand knowlegldge about printing rule books) at the most.

Why do they need another 30k for previous artwork?

I'd have to agree with others that identify this as a cash grab.

Because profits?

Why would PP set the Kickstarter goal at 20K if that's how much it costs to have the books printed in the first place, leaving them with no profits? Companies don't generally produce content and give it to consumers out of the goodness of their hearts.

When I say it takes about 20k I mean the entire cost.
After helping run two KS for rulebook and models (and seeing actual real-life, local printing costs....and not cheaper from China), yeah I wonder what they need almost 30k in profits for.
Another friend also printed a full colour, glossy rulebook with spot varnish and all that, and even printed it locally. It didn't cost more than 20k CAD even paying all the artists and designer.
PP is using already made, previously paid for art. All they have to cover here is the layout and printing. Which doesn't cost 50k in USD.

Most companies run a margin under 30%. The margin for this is over 60%.
So, cash grab? Yeah I think so.

First of all, seriously, who cares? Who cares if they want to make extra margin on top? If the demand is there, then by all means, they should be allowed to make the money.

But second of all, 50k is not a great deal of money. I don't know when the last time was that you opened a PP rulebook and looked at the huge list of names credited for work, but PP is not some little 5-person company. I think you're grossly underestimating the necessary cost, regardless your limited experience, as well as the amount of work necessary to create a product that could be expected out of a company with the size and reputation of PP. The scale at which they need to operate successfully at is much bigger, with bigger consequences. The margin of error they need to plan for is that much larger, too. Intelligent business is full of calculated risks, but in a situation like this, where they're creating an ancillary product that only a small margin of their customer base will want in the first place (and in part out of, what I can only assume, is the personal desire of the company head and owner Matt Wilson who literally started the company on the strength of his own incredible artwork), it would be pure stupidity to assume too much risk.

I mean if you don't want it, cool. Don't buy it. But don't be on some imaginary high horse, either, about how much money a company should be allowed to make.

Some people are passionate about the artwork. Let us spend our money without trying to change our opinions about being happy customers.

Actually a company with the size and reputation of PP should not expose themselves to these KS stunts specially for, like you say, not a great deal of money.
PP atitude changed so much as a company over the years that to be honest its a shadow of what it used to be IMHO.
At the end of the day its nothing to be worried about so chill its just wargamers having a chat.

 malfred wrote:
If you're wondering about the shorter campaign:

Thank you!

The reason for the shorter campaign is exactly that: stagnation. Shorter campaigns are becoming more popular because most of the gains for a Kickstarter project happen in the first 72 hours and the last 72 hours. To avoid the long valley in the middle, campaigns are starting to get shorter. In the case of this project, we believe we will effectively be able to reach the population that is interested in the art book within two working weeks.

Things WILL slow down, as they always do. But we will keep our marketing and messaging up through the end of the campaign to do our best to reach as many people as possible.

Yes, that's the justification for shorter campaigns. They don't talk about the "pledge now or lose it forever, it only last for a week !" effect, putting the pressure on the backers. That's a well known marketing trick, but of course, the com guy won't say that.

Who cares about that ? Apparently, the people who aren't eager to pledge for this project...because of the "cash grab" smell. Let's face it, it doesn't sell a lot of dreams here.

But sure, feel free to back it if you want it.

 Sarouan wrote:

Yes, that's the justification for shorter campaigns. They don't talk about the "pledge now or lose it forever, it only last for a week !" effect, putting the pressure on the backers. That's a well known marketing trick, but of course, the com guy won't say that.

Who cares about that ? Apparently, the people who aren't eager to pledge for this project...because of the "cash grab" smell. Let's face it, it doesn't sell a lot of dreams here.

But sure, feel free to back it if you want it.

Kickstarter is basically founded on the notion of "buy now or lose it forever!" I'm not sure why we're taking exception to this now of all times...

 Pugnacious_Cee wrote:

 Ghool wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Ghool wrote:
I think it's great that they're making an art book. It's not for me, but if fans want it, then they'll pay for it.

But holy crap......50k just to fund the printing of a book is excessive. Very excessive.

It costs about 10-20k to print a run large enough for this KS (I have first hand knowlegldge about printing rule books) at the most.

Why do they need another 30k for previous artwork?

I'd have to agree with others that identify this as a cash grab.

Because profits?

Why would PP set the Kickstarter goal at 20K if that's how much it costs to have the books printed in the first place, leaving them with no profits? Companies don't generally produce content and give it to consumers out of the goodness of their hearts.

When I say it takes about 20k I mean the entire cost.
After helping run two KS for rulebook and models (and seeing actual real-life, local printing costs....and not cheaper from China), yeah I wonder what they need almost 30k in profits for.
Another friend also printed a full colour, glossy rulebook with spot varnish and all that, and even printed it locally. It didn't cost more than 20k CAD even paying all the artists and designer.
PP is using already made, previously paid for art. All they have to cover here is the layout and printing. Which doesn't cost 50k in USD.

Most companies run a margin under 30%. The margin for this is over 60%.
So, cash grab? Yeah I think so.

First of all, seriously, who cares? Who cares if they want to make extra margin on top? If the demand is there, then by all means, they should be allowed to make the money.

But second of all, 50k is not a great deal of money. I don't know when the last time was that you opened a PP rulebook and looked at the huge list of names credited for work, but PP is not some little 5-person company. I think you're grossly underestimating the necessary cost, regardless your limited experience, as well as the amount of work necessary to create a product that could be expected out of a company with the size and reputation of PP. The scale at which they need to operate successfully at is much bigger, with bigger consequences. The margin of error they need to plan for is that much larger, too. Intelligent business is full of calculated risks, but in a situation like this, where they're creating an ancillary product that only a small margin of their customer base will want in the first place (and in part out of, what I can only assume, is the personal desire of the company head and owner Matt Wilson who literally started the company on the strength of his own incredible artwork), it would be pure stupidity to assume too much risk.

I mean if you don't want it, cool. Don't buy it. But don't be on some imaginary high horse, either, about how much money a company should be allowed to make.

Some people are passionate about the artwork. Let us spend our money without trying to change our opinions about being happy customers.

There's a paper shortage going on the past few months that's really affecting the publishing industry. Thicker, higher quality paper like what they're using for this art book have really increased in price as that's where the main shortage is (the cheaper paper used for your average paperback hasn't really been affected much). Plus, as you said, there are lots of people that need to get paid from the work done just for layout (which is a pretty decent paying job if you actually work for a publisher) and there could be some art they're using that PP has to pay for to use in this book. While I'm sure they own a good of their art it's common in the publishing world to only have rights to use art in a certain way such as cover art that would need to have a fee to be paid to use it without typing and such on it as that would be a different license and I don't know what percentage of their art is done in house vs contracting but I do know they contract some art work (no quarter covers and skull island stuff as you can find some on artiststation) and those licenses only cover specific usages generally as it's way more expensive to pay for full ownership.

I'm in. Hope some of the stretch goals unlock - Hordes sketches please - but I have some doubts.

I'm okay with that.

I feel like sometimes people commit big to see if they can help
stretch goals happen and then back out when the tier they want
doesn't make it.

It's a little weird to me - as a person who works in publishing - that some of the physical book stretch goals might not happen, but I can see how they're adding art in folios and such, so the book can be grown if the funds exist. I guess as a publisher I'd just want the actual book to be as awesome as it can be, since it'll be hitting shelves eventually (unless I got that wrong and the physical print is KS only). A bunch of the other extras seem like downloads, which while they do have production costs (as I'm always being reminded at my job), they can also be more easily added to post-KS.

Anyhoo, still dig PP, WM/H background and fluff more than anything.

They've updated the canvas list

Surprised not to see the Alexa one they use in the campaign or the original IKRPG cover available--that's the one I'd ask for if I actually had the money to spare. Sadly I don't.

They've now hit their funding goal and are heading toward stretchgoals!!

Last few days!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/privateerpress/the-art-of-privateer-press/description

I'm dumb and want a canvas print - especially once I noticed that shipping was included - but I want a Skorne one. And then I noticed I can request stuff, sooooo time to see if they can dig me up Makeda3 or Naaresh

 Boss Salvage wrote:
I'm dumb and want a canvas print - especially once I noticed that shipping was included - but I want a Skorne one. And then I noticed I can request stuff, sooooo time to see if they can dig me up Makeda3 or Naaresh

Oh man, the Exalted Court. Fantastic choice.

 Boss Salvage wrote:
I'm dumb and want a canvas print - especially once I noticed that shipping was included - but I want a Skorne one. And then I noticed I can request stuff, sooooo time to see if they can dig me up Makeda3 or Naaresh

Hey guess what

Yep They messaged me and I insta-upped my pledge. Those are all pretty solid, iconic pieces.

I’d love to get a canvas print of the old Asphyxious1 artwork, but I can’t really afford to drop that much cash right now.