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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

20 Imperium players

The usual suspects? As in do all lists contain a knight ?

Well I haven't been through every list but every one I did look at had at least one Knight yea.

There's much more Ad Mech representation than I remember previously - again CA is to thank here I think.

In terms of Ork players we have some real experts - Nick Nanavati, Steve Pampreen and Val Hefflefinger.

Not surprised with how knights are atm.
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Headlss wrote:
Any Harliquins in the elf lists?

What about dark elf wytch cults?

Wych Cults are by far the weakest part of the Drukhari codex, big blobs of Wyches deep striking in can be good for clearing infantry, but Kabal and Coven do it better and anti tank wise all they've got is flyers, which gain no benefit from being part of the Cults so might as well be Black Heart. Then there's Reavers and Hellions, which are aweful units.

I love reavers. But I think you are right. I can do what I'm doing with the cults with either Harlies or Craft World and take a psycher as well.

PiñaColada wrote:
The best one I can see after a very quick search is Jesse Sell, with 2 wins and 1 loss at 136th place tied.

It should be noted that his loss was pretty narrow - 28 to 22.

Cerastus, 3 tank commanders, 2 armigers, 60 IS, 2 basilisk and 6 mortars.

I'm just disappointed that unless you pay $ to GW war hammer channel you can't rewatch the games.

Booger ork wrote:
Really cool to see such a wide variety of lists in the top ten, shows that the game is becoming really quite balanced

It really doesn't. But it will allow people to peddle that snake oil more and ignore most of the issues that still linger.

dkoz wrote:
I'm just disappointed that unless you pay $ to GW war hammer channel you can't rewatch the games.

Do you have amazon prime? If so, it's free.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

dkoz wrote:
I'm just disappointed that unless you pay $ to GW war hammer channel you can't rewatch the games.

Do you have amazon prime? If so, it's free.

I do but I already use my free prime subscription to support FLG.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

dkoz wrote:
I'm just disappointed that unless you pay $ to GW war hammer channel you can't rewatch the games.

Do you have amazon prime? If so, it's free.

I have Amazon Prime but couldn't find out how to activate or whaterver you need to do to watch

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

dkoz wrote:
I'm just disappointed that unless you pay $ to GW war hammer channel you can't rewatch the games.

Do you have amazon prime? If so, it's free.

I have Amazon Prime but couldn't find out how to activate or whaterver you need to do to watch

When you're in the channel just above the video window on the right side is a 'subscribe' button or something similar.

dkoz wrote:
I'm just disappointed that unless you pay $ to GW war hammer channel you can't rewatch the games.

I got a free month yesterday while watching for offering up a suggestion to the streamers..... you could try lurking in chat today for a free sub

Thanks but went onto the site but the subsrcibe pull down asks me to have a free trail or pay - I am signed into my Amazon Prime account

 Mr Morden wrote:
Thanks but went onto the site but the subsrcibe pull down asks me to have a free trail or pay - I am signed into my Amazon Prime account

Oh - make sure twitch is linked.

https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2574978-how-to-link-your-amazon-account

Wayniac wrote:

Booger ork wrote:
Really cool to see such a wide variety of lists in the top ten, shows that the game is becoming really quite balanced

It really doesn't. But it will allow people to peddle that snake oil more and ignore most of the issues that still linger.

Of course there are still issues, but people whining here on dakka about how certain armies are unplayable can be shown otherwise. I think that true balance is impossible to achieve in a game as broad as warhammer 40,000, so a list like this is pretty close to what can best be expected. If mono SM lists can go 3-0 at a big tournament like this then it means the problems aren't nearly as bad as some make them out to be

Booger ork wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

Booger ork wrote:
Really cool to see such a wide variety of lists in the top ten, shows that the game is becoming really quite balanced

It really doesn't. But it will allow people to peddle that snake oil more and ignore most of the issues that still linger.

Of course there are still issues, but people whining here on dakka about how certain armies are unplayable can be shown otherwise. I think that true balance is impossible to achieve in a game as broad as warhammer 40,000, so a list like this is pretty close to what can best be expected. If mono SM lists can go 3-0 at a big tournament like this then it means the problems aren't nearly as bad as some make them out to be

Yes the gap between armies is much smaller then Dakka makes it out to be (this does not mean there aren't balance issues, simply that the game isn't over because you doing play x fotm build). If you look at top 10-top50 at these tournaments as well you will see a wide range of lists and builds. As GW gathers more data from tournaments like this it will get closer and closer to balance. Just look at 40kstats.com and the amount or armies that fall into the 45%-55% win rate which is as close to perfect balance as your going to get in a game with this many variables.

People keep saying "GSC in the top 10" but what you really mean is a nid list in the top ten that allies in 2 abominants which have been heavily nerfed in the codex. The entirety of that one 'gsc' list that's been doing well is that abominants were stupidly cheap and great at murdering knights, that's it. The codex gave them -1 to hit and made their points cost more balanced. They're still a good unit, but pretending 'GSC is doing great' because of one undercosted character that works in the meta because it was very good at killing knights cheaply is a bit of a stretch.

Danny slag wrote:
People keep saying "GSC in the top 10" but what you really mean is a nid list in the top ten that allies in 2 abominants which have been heavily nerfed in the codex. The entirety of that one 'gsc' list that's been doing well is that abominants were stupidly cheap and great at murdering knights, that's it. The codex gave them -1 to hit and made their points cost more balanced. They're still a good unit, but pretending 'GSC is doing great' because of one undercosted character that works in the meta because it was very good at killing knights cheaply is a bit of a stretch.

He payed 90 points less for the old abominant and 33 more for aberrants. 57 points isn't a massive advantage. The list is 800 points in nids and the rest in GSC. It's nowhere near "nids that allied in 2 abominants".

The CSM list is so horrible, it's only viable because of the time limit, it's basically a slow play tarpit list. It might kill some stuff, but playing it would make me claw my eyes out. I'll be surprised if it actually gets to a top table.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:
The CSM list is so horrible, it's only viable because of the time limit, it's basically a slow play tarpit list. It might kill some stuff, but playing it would make me claw my eyes out. I'll be surprised if it actually gets to a top table.

Hopefully it doesn’t make it. It would suck to see an army do well just because of a time limit rule.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:
The CSM list is so horrible, it's only viable because of the time limit, it's basically a slow play tarpit list. It might kill some stuff, but playing it would make me claw my eyes out. I'll be surprised if it actually gets to a top table.

Considering he pretty much tabled his opponent with plenty of time to spare I think its pretty good at killing stuff and not a slow play list.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:
The CSM list is so horrible, it's only viable because of the time limit, it's basically a slow play tarpit list. It might kill some stuff, but playing it would make me claw my eyes out. I'll be surprised if it actually gets to a top table.

Chess clocks are in use.

Last score I saw on stream he wound up 33 to 21.


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The Salt Mine wrote:

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:
The CSM list is so horrible, it's only viable because of the time limit, it's basically a slow play tarpit list. It might kill some stuff, but playing it would make me claw my eyes out. I'll be surprised if it actually gets to a top table.

Considering he pretty much tabled his opponent with plenty of time to spare I think its pretty good at killing stuff and not a slow play list.

Yea, Mike was down to like 12 minutes and his opponent was 18 near the end of the game.

Did you see the drama on the oblits though? I am pretty curious how that pans out I was always under the assumption that they had to reroll if they were subject to the shoot twice strat. However after looking into it a bit more I could easily see the arguments for not having too.

There's also an illegal detachment up there also, 'Thousand Sons' army with an SC detachment using 2 Poxbringers, Warpsmith, Blightlord Terminators and Mortarion. Currently sitting at #3.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:
There's also an illegal detachment up there also, 'Thousand Sons' army with an SC detachment using 2 Poxbringers, Warpsmith, Blightlord Terminators and Mortarion. Currently sitting at #3.

If that Warpsmith has Mark of Nurgle then it gives him the nurgle keyword and that makes the detatchment legal.

The Salt Mine wrote:
If that Warpsmith has Mark of Nurgle then it gives him the nurgle keyword and that makes the detatchment legal.

So that would be the non-Chaos faction keyword tying the detachment together, interesting. I didn't think you could do that, but I'm happy to be wrong as it opens up a lot of possibilities.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

The Salt Mine wrote:
If that Warpsmith has Mark of Nurgle then it gives him the nurgle keyword and that makes the detatchment legal.

So that would be the non-Chaos faction keyword tying the detachment together, interesting. I didn't think you could do that, but I'm happy to be wrong as it opens up a lot of possibilities.

Yea, same thing can be done with Thousand Sons and Tzeentch Daemons under Tzeentch. It's just not usually worth it.


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Fourth round looks to be all in now.

Bobby& IG making use of a big squad of bikes in 12th.

The GK hero dropped to the 200s with a narrow loss to IG & Smash Captains - no knights.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
The GK hero dropped to the 200s with a narrow loss to IG & Smash Captains - no knights.

Where's our Necron legend gone?! :(

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
The GK hero dropped to the 200s with a narrow loss to IG & Smash Captains - no knights.

Where's our Necron legend gone?! :(

I hope still doing well. The list was so confusing that I want it to succeed.

By end of day today I feel that too 10 will be very different than what it was yesterday