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 Galas wrote:
Yeah I dont think there was any evil plan to those rules, just habitual ivory tower syndrom of GW Uk based rules writters.

Honestly I think it was partly a result of a very closed shop management team. Ergo Kirby's "no consumer research" theory taken into its extreme. Ergo they basically had too many meetings around a closed team with little to no outside input to the point where the idea warped into something that was so drastically different from their actual market that it failed on almost every level (save the models). It did attract a newish market, but it was substantially smaller and turned much of the former market into a hate group. That must have really scared GW then because GW back then wasn't doing much marketing of their own. It was all local stores and word of mouth/gamers spreading things.

Wouldn't surprise me if along with a huge wakeup on customer feedback and actual consumer research; it also likely lit a fire under the "hey we really aren't doing enough actual marketing of our own." Heck GW's marketing is now on the extreme other side and running 7 days a week!

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
I've beaten many a Settra player by asking them to pick up my dice from the floor.

I would have to wear a hoodie in order to gain some stupid buff for my night goblins. That was the way GW gave WHFB players the good, old middle finger.

I loved those rules, to be honest.

The first 18 months of AOS were probably the most fun I've had with AOS. The company stepped back from producing actual rules and points and let the community handle it.

auticus wrote:
The first 18 months of AOS were probably the most fun I've had with AOS. The company stepped back from producing actual rules and points and let the community handle it.

I recall it being a general mess and mostly the community was either in denial - shock - stress or was just using the joke rules as best they could with points from the last edition of Warhammer along with some cobbling of points for Stormcast.

That said nothing stops you going back and using those rules. That's the thing, match play exists but you can totally sue the jovial joke rules if you want. Or you can make your own if you want too - of course getting a local club to accept them over the formal current rules might be harder.

My thing was more that the community could create points and rule packs and that there was traction for that to happen.

The balance was infinitely better and the game felt like it could go anywhere because it was unbeholden to "meta" and the fan points were very fast to correct any OP garbage that made its way out.

The community in 2015 / 2016 had also not fully turned over to the CCG synergy stacking spike builds yet.

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Davor wrote:

I read his post differently. When he said requested, I am thinking he is asking. Yeah it's one thing to say someone else how to play, but he said regular opponent so that means to me they play a few times against each other using normal rules so he is asking this one time not to. Nothing wrong in asking. Demanding, yes. If the Original Poster is demanding and not asking then yeah he is being unreasonable.

Dunno if you saw the title and first post before the mods edited them.

No I did not. I didn't know it was edited. Thank you for pointing that out.

Since the AoS app is free, and everyone has a smart phone, you have all the applicable things from your army book.

Battlescribe is also free.

You are being unreasonable by constraining your opponent through your lack of effort.