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 KingCorpus wrote:
I want primaris termies for my wolves, badly.

I am impatient


Preaching to the converted. I hope that this Sunday they'll say that vanguard are gonna go up for preorder that weekend. Then hopefully there's another unit or 2 to complete the release
   
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Groslon wrote:They don't need to? Terminators are already taller, have an extra wound, and a good plastic kit. They are to Primaris marines the same thing they were to regular marines last edition. Same wounds, better saves, more elite loadout and points cost.

All primaris tend to have +1 wound/attack and a "better" bolter - a tall terminator with 3 wounds/attacks and a super Cawl stormbolter would be welcomed by me. Also, the regular imperial terminator kits are not that good, pretty much everything else in the marine range has been updated since these.

Elbows wrote:This is where I think they really missed a step with the Aggressor pattern armour.

In short: Primaris Terminator Squads are Impossible

Why would it be impossible to stick a primaris marine in a new mark of terminator armour? primaris have already had 3 marks of power armour and there are 6 active terminator armour sub types within the various imperial armies, no reason at all why there isnt room for a new suit now that the imperium/mechanicus is innovating again.

Personally I think it is only a matter of time before the primaris range is expanded upon significantly - eventually matching the scale of the old marine range. Basic units like assault marines (with actual jump packs) and terminators will show up eventually.

Finally, the cover art of the kill team elites set previewed a while ago on warhammer community featured a terminator in a unique set of armour that seemed primaris-fied.
   
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Groslon wrote:They don't need to? Terminators are already taller, have an extra wound, and a good plastic kit. They are to Primaris marines the same thing they were to regular marines last edition. Same wounds, better saves, more elite loadout and points cost.

All primaris tend to have +1 wound/attack and a "better" bolter - a tall terminator with 3 wounds/attacks and a super Cawl stormbolter would be welcomed by me. Also, the regular imperial terminator kits are not that good, pretty much everything else in the marine range has been updated since these.

Elbows wrote:This is where I think they really missed a step with the Aggressor pattern armour.

In short: Primaris Terminator Squads are Impossible

Why would it be impossible to stick a primaris marine in a new mark of terminator armour? primaris have already had 3 marks of power armour and there are 6 active terminator armour sub types within the various imperial armies, no reason at all why there isnt room for a new suit now that the imperium/mechanicus is innovating again.

Personally I think it is only a matter of time before the primaris range is expanded upon significantly - eventually matching the scale of the old marine range. Basic units like assault marines (with actual jump packs) and terminators will show up eventually.

Finally, the cover art of the kill team elites set previewed a while ago on warhammer community featured a terminator in a unique set of armour that seemed primaris-fied.


correction there Primaris have one Mark of pwoer armor, but it's a modular system that can be built up or stripped down as needed (which is actually a smart idea, love it)

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I think gw is waiting until they thing they can charge 25$ each for them.

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I think we'll probably get more options for Aggressors before we ever see anything with both the Primaris and Terminator keywords. In fact, the limb I'm currently climbing out on is that we will never see a loyalist release with the word Terminator ever again.
   
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Yeah I think Terminator armour has probably gone the way of the dodo for Primaris. Makes me glad I collect World Eaters and Deathguard as with everything else, Primaris seems like a different army now.
   
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give all Gravis armor a 5++ (this would be aggressors and inceptors) then they would be worth the points they cost

increase aggressors attacks characteristic by 1 (they are dual wielding power fists after all )

then I would definatly use my aggressors
(I got a dozen of them and never use them cause they dont feel cost effective for my play style )

give inceptors option to swap out one of their guns for a power sword

that's the only things I want to see change for my primaris list
   
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 Eihnlazer wrote:
Primaris Terminators are already in the game actually, only they don't have the primaris keyword as of yet.

Centaurian Devestators are in fact primaris terminators.


There will eventually be an update converting them over to primaris in the future. It will probably not happen till 9th edition when they can completely phase out the Index options.


All kidding aside I do actually kind of hope this happens. Centurions feel exactly like what I would expect a serious Primaris Devestator squad to look like and I don't want that kit to go away when mini-marines get squatted.
   
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At 4w each they would actually be maybe worth their points.
   
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In my opinion you can't replace terminator squads with anything that isn't a terminator squad. They're too iconic to lose. Neither gravis armour nor centurions are satisfactory substitutes. It has to be recognisably terminator armour. I'd like to see genuine primaris terminators, as well as proper assault marines, devestators, and rhinos.

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At 4w each they would actually be maybe worth their points.


Do that and drop the base price of Hurricane Bolters to 5 like they should be, and Dev Cents are probably good. 40 points is a bit too much for a W3 model with no invuln, but a W4...yeah, that's getting there.

I do think it's worth noting that Assault Centurions are apparently paying 13 points for those Seige Drills, just a hair more than a Guardian Spear for a clearly superior profile. If they had a cheaper low-end option than Flamers I probably wouldn't own any Custodes.

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For being termies they must have 2+. Agressors are a very nice miniature and from the begining they should had 2+ save an invuln and some sort of heavy weapons like Onslaughts.

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Gunrunner1775 wrote:
give all Gravis armor a 5++ (this would be aggressors and inceptors) then they would be worth the points they cost


Why? How often are they dying to -3/-4 AP weapons? You don't need to fire plasma at them if massed mid-str attrition firepower does the job better.

increase aggressors attacks characteristic by 1 (they are dual wielding power fists after all )


Yes, please. Or remove the -1 to hit on their fists. Something, truly anything, to reflect that they're rolling around with 2 of them.

give inceptors option to swap out one of their guns for a power sword


I think they'd need something more than just tons of AP on a str 4 base. I'd prefer either a Cawl style chainsword for extra attacks, or something like a power axe/maul.

that's the only things I want to see change for my primaris list


I want Reivers to be truly disruptive: longer lasting impact on their grenades (should last through the opponent's shooting phase) and require a LD showdown for a unit to fall back from Terror Troops.

I want the Redemptor to ignore the penalty to moving and firing a heavy weapon, and for his plasma cannon to be 2d3 on shots instead of d6.

And I want anatomically correct Terminator armour that are both imposing in looks and on the table. I do not care WHO resides in the TDA, only that they terminate. So I'm all for Primaris Terminators. I'm all for new Astartes Terminators. I just want them to come with a rules refresh that makes them resilient and dangerous.
   
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I'll admit that while I want real CC options on the Reaver sergeant, I really want those options to be Power Axe / Chainfist instead of the usual Power Sword / Power Fist.
   
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Based on the couple Voxcasts that have mentioned designing the Primaris range, there’s talk of us seeing multiple variations on the Mark X suit.

So far, the ‘Phobos’ pattern is the most fleshed out, with Reivers, Eliminators etc.

The ‘Tacticus’ pattern has given us Intercessors, Hellblasters and Suppressors.

The ‘Gravis’ pattern units so far are Aggressors and Inceptors.

It was stated we likely haven’t seen all the units associated with these patterns, and that there may be more patterns we haven’t yet seen at all.

My guess would be further Tacticus and Gravis variants will come; close combat? Long range shooting? But then any additional patterns, would, presumably, be even more heavily armoured than Gravis, as there isn’t any other obvious ‘gap’ to fill, so I’d think these would be a more full on Terminator, or perhaps even a Centurion style unit in terms of size.


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 Ginjitzu wrote:
I think we'll probably get more options for Aggressors before we ever see anything with both the Primaris and Terminator keywords. In fact, the limb I'm currently climbing out on is that we will never see a loyalist release with the word Terminator ever again.


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 Tainted wrote:
In my opinion you can't replace terminator squads with anything that isn't a terminator squad. They're too iconic to lose. Neither gravis armour nor centurions are satisfactory substitutes.


100% agree.

Chaos just got a new Terminator kit anyways, and I expect loyalist Marines will get comparable updates soonish (Terminators, Tacticals, etc) to bring them to the updated scale. I definitely do not forsee a world where loyalists are all Primaris and Chaos is all true-marine.


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 Insectum7 wrote:
 Tainted wrote:
In my opinion you can't replace terminator squads with anything that isn't a terminator squad. They're too iconic to lose. Neither gravis armour nor centurions are satisfactory substitutes.


100% agree.

Chaos just got a new Terminator kit anyways, and I expect loyalist Marines will get comparable updates soonish (Terminators, Tacticals, etc) to bring them to the updated scale. I definitely do not forsee a world where loyalists are all Primaris and Chaos is all true-marine.


Not yet another box of tacs/Terminators - considering how many units are still to be done for factions other than Marines.....

any maybe more new stuff not just the same old models

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Chaos Terminators and CSMs had kits too, but they got redone.

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 Insectum7 wrote:
Chaos Terminators and CSMs had kits too, but they got redone.


And they don't have Primaris - and the new kits were not needed for them either,

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I see very little reason to buy more mini-marines as it is, but a new kit might inspire me to buy some of the old kits my lgs has in stock to build Veterans/Sternguard Wouldn't want them to be inconsistent with my existing models.
   
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 Mr Morden wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
Chaos Terminators and CSMs had kits too, but they got redone.


And they don't have Primaris - and the new kits were not needed for them either,


I don't think the paradigm they're going for is Loyalists with 2A 2W base and Chaos with 1A 1W base.

And if that IS their intention, it's [understatement] stupid. [/understatement]

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 Tainted wrote:
In my opinion you can't replace terminator squads with anything that isn't a terminator squad. They're too iconic to lose. Neither gravis armour nor centurions are satisfactory substitutes. It has to be recognisably terminator armour. I'd like to see genuine primaris terminators, as well as proper assault marines, devestators, and rhinos.


Exactly, SM's no longer look like my army. If they get rid of terminator armour I'll fall even more our of love with my loyalists than I already have, I'll probably just stick with Custodes and hope they don't totally mess up my GK's.
   
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Gravis armour is definitely not replacing Terminator armour anytime soon. Or likely at at. It serves more as a weapons platform like the Centurion armour does, but is done in a more logical way than the Centurions were (by making it a single suit of armour instead of an exosuit worn over your armour).

The biggest reason that terminator isn't going away for this is they serve different roles. Basically terminator armour is for boarding space hulks and teleporting into heavily defended positions and taking the enemy leadership out and then fighting their way out. Gravis armour has potential for the first, but it can't do the second as effectively.

I expect we'll see terminators at some point, the question is how they'll be equipped. I could see things changing from the old powerfist/storm bolter combo. I'd assume they'd have some kind of bolt storm gauntlet style fist and either a second melee weapon (like a power weapon) or perhaps a storm shield.

Actually I wish we'd gotten the bolt storm gauntlet as an option for Intercessor Sergeants. It's basically just a power fist with a gun on it, and would have been a nice option for the troops choice over regular power fists.


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I forgot to address the unit size issue. If they really end up shrinking the unit size further due to the size of the models like suggested, then we'd see boxes of 2 with unit size being 2-4 or 2-6. Considering the Custodes terminators are a unit of 3 though, I expect the Primaris ones will be as well.

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Gravis armour is definitely not replacing Terminator armour anytime soon. Or likely at at. It serves more as a weapons platform like the Centurion armour does, but is done in a more logical way than the Centurions were (by making it a single suit of armour instead of an exosuit worn over your armour).

The biggest reason that terminator isn't going away for this is they serve different roles. Basically terminator armour is for boarding space hulks and teleporting into heavily defended positions and taking the enemy leadership out and then fighting their way out. Gravis armour has potential for the first, but it can't do the second as effectively.

I expect we'll see terminators at some point, the question is how they'll be equipped. I could see things changing from the old powerfist/storm bolter combo. I'd assume they'd have some kind of bolt storm gauntlet style fist and either a second melee weapon (like a power weapon) or perhaps a storm shield.

Actually I wish we'd gotten the bolt storm gauntlet as an option for Intercessor Sergeants. It's basically just a power fist with a gun on it, and would have been a nice option for the troops choice over regular power fists.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I forgot to address the unit size issue. If they really end up shrinking the unit size further due to the size of the models like suggested, then we'd see boxes of 2 with unit size being 2-4 or 2-6. Considering the Custodes terminators are a unit of 3 though, I expect the Primaris ones will be as well.


How do you know? The only evidence we have is Calgar and he's in Gravis armour now. They are at least going to update the armour.
   
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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
Gravis armour is definitely not replacing Terminator armour anytime soon. Or likely at at. It serves more as a weapons platform like the Centurion armour does, but is done in a more logical way than the Centurions were (by making it a single suit of armour instead of an exosuit worn over your armour).

The biggest reason that terminator isn't going away for this is they serve different roles. Basically terminator armour is for boarding space hulks and teleporting into heavily defended positions and taking the enemy leadership out and then fighting their way out. Gravis armour has potential for the first, but it can't do the second as effectively.

I expect we'll see terminators at some point, the question is how they'll be equipped. I could see things changing from the old powerfist/storm bolter combo. I'd assume they'd have some kind of bolt storm gauntlet style fist and either a second melee weapon (like a power weapon) or perhaps a storm shield.

Actually I wish we'd gotten the bolt storm gauntlet as an option for Intercessor Sergeants. It's basically just a power fist with a gun on it, and would have been a nice option for the troops choice over regular power fists.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I forgot to address the unit size issue. If they really end up shrinking the unit size further due to the size of the models like suggested, then we'd see boxes of 2 with unit size being 2-4 or 2-6. Considering the Custodes terminators are a unit of 3 though, I expect the Primaris ones will be as well.


How do you know? The only evidence we have is Calgar and he's in Gravis armour now. They are at least going to update the armour.


true but Calgar had a "in normal armor" option for awhile. also his gravis armor HAS a 2+ save so 2+ save gravis armor would have some precident

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
I know nothing, I only give my best guess.


Honestly I agree and disagree, I belvie Gravis will be the new temry template but the new terminator equivilant wilkl employ an even heavier varient of gravis we've not seen yet.

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
I know nothing, I only give my best guess.


Cool but when you state your opinion saying 'definitely' it gives the reader the impression that you know.
   
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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
I know nothing, I only give my best guess.


Cool but when you state your opinion saying 'definitely' it gives the reader the impression that you know.

Unless someone is claiming to be a GW dev it's always an opinion. Claiming it to be presented as fact because I didn't start every sentence with "I think" or "in my opinion". This whole thread is nothing more than speculation and opinions.

Choose a better hill to make your stand on next time.

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
I know nothing, I only give my best guess.


Cool but when you state your opinion saying 'definitely' it gives the reader the impression that you know.

Unless someone is claiming to be a GW dev it's always an opinion. Claiming it to be presented as fact because I didn't start every sentence with "I think" or "in my opinion". This whole thread is nothing more than speculation and opinions.

Choose a better hill to make your stand on next time.


I'm not gaking on you or anything, but next time you can say 'most likely' rather than 'definitely'.

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