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The original and TNG cast movies were all good films, in my opinion. It was also a film series that defied ageism, and thats something to be proud of.

The JJ Trek movies were alright but Into Darkness should have outright avoided remaking Wrath of Khan, especially when they had already done that with the previous movie, and better. While Montalban was indeed a Mexican actor, they made an effort to at least communicate his character's Indian heritage. Yet, all we got in Into Darkness was a british actor playing a bland man with super strength and intelligence who just happened to have the name Khan...a cough about the Botany Bay and a crew and that was it. They could have had an actual indian actor do the honours and really recaptured the episode Space Seed and possibly explored his character's background further, but noooo...

Otherwise, happy bunny.

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ST I: It's okay. Decent science fiction, but I wouldn't say it's very good "Star Trek."
ST II: Is a good movie, it's not the goo fest of amaze balls everyone says it is, but it's good scifi.
ST III: A pretty good sequel type movie, but still pretty bland.
ST IV: A great film, and a good example of what ST is.
ST V: A very dull and uninspired film.
ST VI: Now this was a good Trek, especially when compared to the other OS movies.

ST G: The Best of the Films, none of the others, either TOS or TNG come anywhere close to how good this film is. It was also a great way to "pass the torch" so to say.
ST FC: Meh, I hate time travel. So, you can guess what I think of this film.
ST Insur: A much better film than it often gets credit for, still don't understand all of the hate.
ST Nem: You could tell this is where Paramount went off the deep-end. Horrible, horrible film.

ST 09: The JJing. I thought Nemisis was the bottom of the barrel. I was so terribly wrong.
ST ITD: Holy mother of God the barrel was deeper than I realized.
ST B: Wait, this is decent. How, how did the first two go so FUBAR??

Shows:
TOS: A Good SciFi Show.
TOS Cartoon: I've never seen it actually. Can't comment.
TNG: A great reboot, lots of good world building and character development. Trek grows out of its infancy.
DS9: Trek becomes an adult, a well reasoned, hard working stand up citizen. A+++
Voyager: Mostly good, but Adult trek got laid off from work and took up drinking as a coping mechanism.
ENT: Has a mix of good and Bad, had so much potential, but wasted most of it on the TCW crap instead of focusing on the early history of star fleet and the birth of the federation. Get rid of the Suliban and Sphere time travel crap. Focus more on the interactions between the Tellerites, Vulcans, Anaxanar, Andorians, Denobulans, and the Klingons. NEVER SPEAK OF THE ROMULANS AGAIN UNTIL TOS YOU CRAZY GAKFACES. Hoshi should have been the captain, and Archer should have been pushed out an air lock.
STD: Just stop. Please, for the love of Roddenberry just stop.
Picard: If they STD this, we riot at dawn gentleman.

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I must be the odd one out. I rather enjoyed Enterprise except for its ending, and while I don't think V was a fantastic movie, I was definitely entertained (plus, kudos for the line "excuse me, what does God want with a starship?").

Best Trek movie is undoubtedly VI (I really ought to rewatch that one of these days) closely followed by II.

Edit: meant to say VI for best movie. Silly me.

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Wrath of Khan is #1 in all regards. I actually liked Generations, since it had Picard and Kirk work together and Kirk’s heroic sacrifice at the end to send off the last of the first trek-family (the book was fun too) was much appreciated.

I’ll go against the grain; I LIKED JJ’s ST. It was fun. Was it action? Yes. But WoK felt like action too. It was closer to WoK than it was to the rest of the series. Maybe it was brighter, but we have access to CGI that didn’t exist before, and most directors want to use it. So I like it. Never saw ST:tMP, so I can’t comment on it. Generally enjoy everything w/Picard though. Patrick Stewart is one of the most fun actors on the planet, along with Morgan Freeman and Ian McKellen.

Now I want a bloody old man adventure with those three. Add in Robert DeNiro and call it a hit.

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 timetowaste85 wrote:
Wrath of Khan is #1 in all regards. I actually liked Generations, since it had Picard and Kirk work together and Kirk’s heroic sacrifice at the end to send off the last of the first trek-family (the book was fun too) was much appreciated.

I’ll go against the grain; I LIKED JJ’s ST. It was fun. Was it action? Yes. But WoK felt like action too. It was closer to WoK than it was to the rest of the series. Maybe it was brighter, but we have access to CGI that didn’t exist before, and most directors want to use it. So I like it. Never saw ST:tMP, so I can’t comment on it. Generally enjoy everything w/Picard though. Patrick Stewart is one of the most fun actors on the planet, along with Morgan Freeman and Ian McKellen.

Now I want a bloody old man adventure with those three. Add in Robert DeNiro and call it a hit.


It's not the action of the film that makes me dislike it, it's the fact that the film doesn't understand the source material at all. It was a cash grab with an IP that has a rather significant following of fans that enjoy the show for a very specific reason.
   
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I must be the odd one out. I rather enjoyed Enterprise except for its ending, and while I don't think V was a fantastic movie, I was definitely entertained (plus, kudos for the line "excuse me, what does God want with a starship?").

Best Trek movie is undoubtedly V (I really ought to rewatch that one of these days) closely followed by II.



Enterprise was a decent enough show, especially in its final season where they had the most interesting stories, such as Data's creator and the eugenics children, and The Mirror Universe.

ST: The Final Frontier is good fun...

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 Togusa wrote:
 timetowaste85 wrote:
Wrath of Khan is #1 in all regards. I actually liked Generations, since it had Picard and Kirk work together and Kirk’s heroic sacrifice at the end to send off the last of the first trek-family (the book was fun too) was much appreciated.

I’ll go against the grain; I LIKED JJ’s ST. It was fun. Was it action? Yes. But WoK felt like action too. It was closer to WoK than it was to the rest of the series. Maybe it was brighter, but we have access to CGI that didn’t exist before, and most directors want to use it. So I like it. Never saw ST:tMP, so I can’t comment on it. Generally enjoy everything w/Picard though. Patrick Stewart is one of the most fun actors on the planet, along with Morgan Freeman and Ian McKellen.

Now I want a bloody old man adventure with those three. Add in Robert DeNiro and call it a hit.


It's not the action of the film that makes me dislike it, it's the fact that the film doesn't understand the source material at all. It was a cash grab with an IP that has a rather significant following of fans that enjoy the show for a very specific reason.


What do you consider 'the source material' though? I grew up on the original series. I think the first JJ film (finally) recaptured its sense of adventure that was too often missing in TNG. TOS had some sharper and rougher edges to it, and I felt like TNG filed all those down into something safer and more controlled and codified. DS9 started to swing the pendulum back the other way (and I enjoyed it more than TNG), but in a somewhat different direction IMO.

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 gorgon wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
 timetowaste85 wrote:
Wrath of Khan is #1 in all regards. I actually liked Generations, since it had Picard and Kirk work together and Kirk’s heroic sacrifice at the end to send off the last of the first trek-family (the book was fun too) was much appreciated.

I’ll go against the grain; I LIKED JJ’s ST. It was fun. Was it action? Yes. But WoK felt like action too. It was closer to WoK than it was to the rest of the series. Maybe it was brighter, but we have access to CGI that didn’t exist before, and most directors want to use it. So I like it. Never saw ST:tMP, so I can’t comment on it. Generally enjoy everything w/Picard though. Patrick Stewart is one of the most fun actors on the planet, along with Morgan Freeman and Ian McKellen.

Now I want a bloody old man adventure with those three. Add in Robert DeNiro and call it a hit.


It's not the action of the film that makes me dislike it, it's the fact that the film doesn't understand the source material at all. It was a cash grab with an IP that has a rather significant following of fans that enjoy the show for a very specific reason.


What do you consider 'the source material' though? I grew up on the original series. I think the first JJ film (finally) recaptured its sense of adventure that was too often missing in TNG. TOS had some sharper and rougher edges to it, and I felt like TNG filed all those down into something safer and more controlled and codified. DS9 started to swing the pendulum back the other way (and I enjoyed it more than TNG), but in a somewhat different direction IMO.


Star Trek is about the exploration of a future that is based upon reason and hope. It is the idea that through adversity, only together can we climb beyond our most base instincts. It is the idea that through wisdom, science, and faith can we progress in peace.

The JJ movies were poorly written, poorly acted, shiney but hollow. For me the source material is everything from TOS to Enterprise. Personally, ST stopped after Enterprise ended. Everything since then has been some alternate resource to me, I don't consider any of it to be cannon for the sake of my own enjoyment of the show.

DS9 is my favorite show, some of the most powerful episodes of television ever made are from the later seasons of DS9.
   
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From my perspective, there's the original series that Roddenberry imagined, and then the original series that actually was. It certainly dealt with social issues and such -- often in a more confrontational way than TNG did decades later -- and *overall* presented a positive view of the future. But there's plenty of Cold War politics and paranoia too, along with action and adventure. The 'Wagon Train to the Stars' western influence is very real IMO.

I liked that JJ found that again, and thought it brought a familiar-yet-fresh energy to the franchise. The sequel was, of course, disappointing and full of issues. But I thought that Beyond, while not a remarkable film, represented a rebound. YMMV.

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 Togusa wrote:
 timetowaste85 wrote:
Wrath of Khan is #1 in all regards. I actually liked Generations, since it had Picard and Kirk work together and Kirk’s heroic sacrifice at the end to send off the last of the first trek-family (the book was fun too) was much appreciated.

I’ll go against the grain; I LIKED JJ’s ST. It was fun. Was it action? Yes. But WoK felt like action too. It was closer to WoK than it was to the rest of the series. Maybe it was brighter, but we have access to CGI that didn’t exist before, and most directors want to use it. So I like it. Never saw ST:tMP, so I can’t comment on it. Generally enjoy everything w/Picard though. Patrick Stewart is one of the most fun actors on the planet, along with Morgan Freeman and Ian McKellen.

Now I want a bloody old man adventure with those three. Add in Robert DeNiro and call it a hit.


It's not the action of the film that makes me dislike it, it's the fact that the film doesn't understand the source material at all. It was a cash grab with an IP that has a rather significant following of fans that enjoy the show for a very specific reason.


And despite those differences lots of those fans LOVED WoK. Simple fact.

Did some hate it? Yes, yes there were some. But a distinct minority, not the average. Roughly the same percentage of the total as is represented here, in fact.

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 gorgon wrote:
From my perspective, there's the original series that Roddenberry imagined, and then the original series that actually was. It certainly dealt with social issues and such -- often in a more confrontational way than TNG did decades later -- and *overall* presented a positive view of the future. But there's plenty of Cold War politics and paranoia too, along with action and adventure. The 'Wagon Train to the Stars' western influence is very real IMO.

I liked that JJ found that again, and thought it brought a familiar-yet-fresh energy to the franchise. The sequel was, of course, disappointing and full of issues. But I thought that Beyond, while not a remarkable film, represented a rebound. YMMV.


I have the game that they did between Trek and ID, and was pleasantly surprised to find that it is its own story, with references to both movies. Also, ID directly references the game's events a couple times. If you're a fan of JJTrek, like me, you should check it out.

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The ship designs from the original cast films are my favorites of the whole series. The Enterprise refit, the Reliant, the Bird of Prey and the D7 redesign, the K'tinga, were all tops.

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ST: Beyond was surprisingly good and felt like the movie ST:ITD should have been. A new director and Simon Pegg had a hand in the script... a genuine Trek movie.

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I think one reason why Beyond was so much better (to me) than the previous JJ-Trek films is because it tried to tell its own story. The first JJ-Trek suffered from trying too hard to reintroduce all the characters (characters we already know), and coming up with a way to both connect it to the modern Trek, and to create a new Trek timeline to grant them the freedom to tell new stories with the original crew. And the problem with the second film is that, instead of using their carefully-crafted excuse to create new stories with a new timeline, they just retold the Khan story instead. So, that's why I liked the third film so much more, because they decided to actually tell their own Star Trek story rather than be shackled to existing stories.

Oh, and Star Trek V? Bad movie, but I still love the entire camping sequence with the trio at the start.

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I can excuse reiterating the origins as 1: we didn't ever really get origins in the original series, and 2: they were also catering to people completely unfamiliar with Trek at the same time. The problem with grognards from ANY fandom is that they think that everything revolves around them.

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I need to rewatch Beyond. When i first saw it, I had an utterly dire internet connection that was a pixilated mess half the time. I don't feel I gave it a fair shot, but what little I did, it definitely did feel like a improvement over Into Darkness.
   
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Beyond is at least an attempt at something original.

Bit too actiony for my take on Trek, but an enjoyable enough film.

   
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Beyond was OK, only problem with it was that there wasn't really enough plot for a whole movie. Woulda worked fine as an episode of a Trek series.
   
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Star Trek: Insurrection: I didn't like this movie the first time I saw it, but seeing it a couple more times I appreciate it more. It feels like it fits in with the rest of TNG pretty well. The main thing I don't like is how Riker and Troi are suddenly all over each other, after the series seemed to show them being just friends for most of it (she was more interested in Worf in the later seasons).



Star Trek Beyond: The best of the J.J. Abrams trilogy. I liked Idris Elba as the villain, and the look of the space station was really awesome. The story itself was engaging, too, and the action scenes were well done. I'm actually kind of sad that they quit making the movies after this one.



On your comment about Riker and Troi's marriage. . . maybe its the rose colored glasses, maybe I need to finish rewatching TNG, but I always had the sense that they were "destined" for being married, however through most of the TV show they both mutually understood that they are high ranking bridge officers and must maintain a certain level of professionalism where they spend the most time (the bridge/crew work areas).


On Beyond, it seems that Mr. Simon Pegg is a bit of a decent writer beyond just "mere" comedies.
   
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Were Troi and Riker together in "All Good Things..."? I know they had settled the Crusher/Picard thing in that episode, but did they do the same with Troi/Riker? If not, Insurrection may have simply been correcting that mistake. And since your current movie could always be your last, I have a feeling that Insurrection was kind of written to be a book end if necessary.

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Troi was dead in the AGT future, and Admiral Riker blamed Ambassador? Worf. In the AGT present, Troi was still dating Worf.

   
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Beyond was OK, only problem with it was that there wasn't really enough plot for a whole movie. Woulda worked fine as an episode of a Trek series.


I fear that's always been Trek's weakness on the big screen.

The standout movies work better because they feel like Movies, with the capital M. The others all have the feel of 'well, that was just like, an episode'. So whilst the plots and that are mostly fine, the audience can be left feeling understandably short changed.

I feel this is especially true of Insurrection and Nemesis. Nemesis in particular feels like three or four episodes from an unaired season, cut down into a single story.

   
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Troi was dead in the AGT future, and Admiral Riker blamed Ambassador? Worf. In the AGT present, Troi was still dating Worf.


Didn't Worf date damn near half the females in TNG era? Seemed like it.

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