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 Crazyterran wrote:
Well, good, the snowflake chapters could use some time beneath the Codex Marines. Will be good to melt them a bit.


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 Crazyterran wrote:
Well, good, the snowflake chapters could use some time beneath the Codex Marines. Will be good to melt them a bit.


besides space wolves waited what a year and a half after the last marine codex came out? so clearly GW doesn't seem inclined to rush snow flake chapter codices out shortly after the general marine codex

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Fingers crossed that this rumor pans out. The old Armageddon codex was my reintroduction to 40k after a long absence. So I've got a lot of affection for that particular warzone.
   
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given the khornite presence on armageddon as well could a armageddon warzone potentially in addition to black templars vs rks maybe give GW a chance to revisit Grey Knights and... world eaters?

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Of the five points, 3 is probably completely true, given the IF sprue is already done, just leaving IH, Sallies and RG to have sprues sculpted.

2 is a bit of a coin flip - I don't see a thematic tie between IH & RG, other than "Chapters which haven't had much before", but then I don't see much in the way of thematic ties between Ultras and WS either.

1 seems less likely, if only because 2 months sounds a huge delay. I'd've thought maybe monthly, if only because every-other-week has already been ruled out by Sunday's WHC article.

4 & 5 I'd say are low likelihood, though if 4 comes true 5 is probably more likely.

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Just to be clear guys and gals, there's no reference to Armageddon in this rumour, that is pure speculation. The rumour only suggests a BT vs Orks box.
   
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We've already seen a bit of the IH sprue too, some aggressors in the preview pictures they've shown have sculpted IH shoulderpads.

Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Well, good, the snowflake chapters could use some time beneath the Codex Marines. Will be good to melt them a bit.


Such a positive attitude. You must be fun at parties.


You are the one that started being insulting, I just threw my hands up and said 'whatever'. Codex Marines are the only ones that matter for Supplements, the rest of the chapters can come who knows when.

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Anything Orks, possibly more assault-y Marines...sure, I'll allow it.

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 Dysartes wrote:
Of the five points, 3 is probably completely true, given the IF sprue is already done, just leaving IH, Sallies and RG to have sprues sculpted.

The IF sprue needed to be redone. Apparently the Power Fist had the icon flipped.

We've seen some of the Iron Hands stuff in the codex. There's a few heads and Aggressor pads that aren't currently available.

2 is a bit of a coin flip - I don't see a thematic tie between IH & RG, other than "Chapters which haven't had much before", but then I don't see much in the way of thematic ties between Ultras and WS either.

There's a thematic tie in the form of Isstvan and both Chapters having issues replenishing their ranks afterwards.
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Just to be clear guys and gals, there's no reference to Armageddon in this rumour, that is pure speculation. The rumour only suggests a BT vs Orks box.


it'll tie to armageddon even if if it's "the black tempalrs catch ghazakul on planet Y.. VENGENCE FOR ARMAGEDDON!"



as for thematic ties I don't think GW is planning on thmatic ties between chapters, white scars and ultramarines have little in common if they where going for a themetic tie they'd have gone

Ultramarines/Imperial Fists (the reknowned)
Salamanders/Ironhands (the craftsmen)
Ravenguard/White Scars (the strike specialists)

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
2 is a bit of a coin flip - I don't see a thematic tie between IH & RG, other than "Chapters which haven't had much before", but then I don't see much in the way of thematic ties between Ultras and WS either.

There's a thematic tie in the form of Isstvan and both Chapters having issues replenishing their ranks afterwards.

There doesn't need to be a particular "tie in" does there?

GW are just releasing Chapter splatbooks in an order that makes sense to them and only them. I think we're reaching if we're trying to claim there's a particular tie between UM and WS. Same with any of the proceeding books.
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Just to be clear guys and gals, there's no reference to Armageddon in this rumour, that is pure speculation. The rumour only suggests a BT vs Orks box.


it'll tie to armageddon even if if it's "the black tempalrs catch ghazakul on planet Y.. VENGENCE FOR ARMAGEDDON!"

There's no suggestion that Ghazzy will be in the BT vs Orks box either.

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Imagine an Armageddon Warzone series:

-Blood angels have a strong history with the planet, great timing for a new Dante

-Black Templars were also involved heavily, new Grimaldus, Helbrect.

Spoiler:
-Salamanders have dumped their entire chapter into the planet 2-3 times now, most recently stopping Angron from being summoned (which means Angron would be great to show up here). Further than this concerning Salamanders, this is the last planet Vulkan was ever sighted on. Ghazzy obviously should get a new model and maybe tap into that Beast Waaagh energy and get swole. Remember, Armageddon is Ullanor, basically the Ork homeworld. You could have two Primarchs return, and very strong fluff connections for multiple factions in need of character updates and love. Lets not forget that Vulkan and Angron have some unsettled beef, they almost dueled during the dropsite massacre but were separated by artillery fire.
   
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Imperial Fists and their Successors have a HUGE history with Armageddon*. Given that the Black Templars have a nasty history with Ghaz and the Crimson Fists are the Ork-murder experts, I could definitely see the Imperial Fists supplement coming out around this time. And Salamanders coming out at this time would make perfect sense too, given that Vulkan was present on Armageddon last. It would also help make sense of the possible character models that could come out. The BT characters all want Ghaz's head. Pedro Kantor is one of the leading experts on taking down Orks. And Vulkan He'stan would want to be there to look for more Primarch gifts.


Spoiler:
Considering the Imperial Fists were wiped out to a man on the planet back when it was Ullanor.

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The spoiler isn't technically correct but is very, very close.

Spoiler:
They were wiped out to a man on one of the many attack moons the Orks used.


I hope it's true for obvious reasons but I'm not going to hold my breath, we've had rumours of Ghazzy before.
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The spoiler isn't technically correct but is very, very close.

Spoiler:
They were wiped out to a man on one of the many attack moons the Orks used.


I hope it's true for obvious reasons but I'm not going to hold my breath, we've had rumours of Ghazzy before.
True, but you could say they have major unfinished business with Armageddon.

Agreed on Ghaz rumors. He is the Plastic Thunderhawk of the Orks.

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I feel like I have a bias towords not beliveing youtubers, since they make money off click baite TBH. Sounds like it would be cool if it happens tho.
   
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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Imagine an Armageddon Warzone series:

-Blood angels have a strong history with the planet, great timing for a new Dante

Wrong side of rift, plus he had so many duties dumped on him I doubt he would have time even if not eye of terror 2.0...
   
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I would absolutely love for an Armageddon boxed set with BT and Orks to come out. Maybe we could get a new ork unit and maybe some Primaris with swords and hand flamers or something. I've always liked both factions, and it would be a good excuse for me to build two small themed 40k forces around a concept I actually enjoy.

It would also be a good excuse to finally replace the ancient Cadians with new plastic Steel Legion models. It would be pretty easy to just release a Squad Box, a Command Box, and a Heavy Weapon box and you'd be set. Toss a couple vehicle crew in the various kit and you have a whole new IG range. More likely though it would just mean a "Made to Order" for the out of print Steel Legion stuff.

I have a feeling GW will never make new models for IG/ Astra Militarum what not. At least not when more marines can be made.


 
   
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Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:I will follow this thread with extreme interest.

Hoping for the greenest of the outcomes.

New Salamanders, hell yeah!








o and i guess orks too
   
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Racerguy180 wrote:

New Salamanders, hell yeah!


o and i guess orks too

They're both green. Basically the same thing.

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now I wonder what the other way around would look like?
   
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Holy giant picture. Spoiler that gak!

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 Sabotage! wrote:
I would absolutely love for an Armageddon boxed set with BT and Orks to come out. Maybe we could get a new ork unit and maybe some Primaris with swords and hand flamers or something. I've always liked both factions, and it would be a good excuse for me to build two small themed 40k forces around a concept I actually enjoy.

It would also be a good excuse to finally replace the ancient Cadians with new plastic Steel Legion models. It would be pretty easy to just release a Squad Box, a Command Box, and a Heavy Weapon box and you'd be set. Toss a couple vehicle crew in the various kit and you have a whole new IG range. More likely though it would just mean a "Made to Order" for the out of print Steel Legion stuff.

I have a feeling GW will never make new models for IG/ Astra Militarum what not. At least not when more marines can be made.

If they make new models for Guard, it's going to be an updated version of Cadians with some new customizing parts.
   
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I'd like to see an Ork/BT Box. I'd love to see Close Combat-focused Primaris Crusader Squads along with Helbrect and Grimaldus.

New Ghazzy would be sweet too!




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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
If it is BT vs Orks I don't think it'd be Armageddon personally. I get the distinct impression from the codex that Ghazzy is done with that particular warzone for now. Could be wrong but I just don't get that vibe.


IIRC from lore in 7th ed. Ghazzy went to Octarius, defeated the 'Nids and started building the biggest Teleportas to go back to Armageddon and fight again, so I think he has plenty chance to come back, especially if their hinting at a WE book with Angron........

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 The Warp Forge wrote:

IIRC from lore in 7th ed. Ghazzy went to Octarius, defeated the 'Nids and started building the biggest Teleportas to go back to Armageddon and fight again, so I think he has plenty chance to come back, especially if their hinting at a WE book with Angron........


Last I heard the war was ongoing....since Khorne took an interest and has a bunch of worshippers slamming around.

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I'm not sure about the connection to psychic awakening. I just watched the video and have my own interpretation...

The first 4 sentences...

"War calls" First thing I think of here is Khorne. Who else is going to heed the call to war more than Khorne followers? So I'm thinking World Eaters and possibly Angron (but not sure on the primarch)
"Faith is tested". This has to be SOB, more so than BTs IMHO. There were earlier rumours about a WE vs SOB boxset, this could be very true.
"The beast roars". Sure, this could be Ghazkull, don't doubt that. It could also be Marbas, Fallen Daemon Prince who is said to have a Lion's head (hence the roar part). Again, there were rumours with a possible DA vs Fallen boxset or something involving the DAs anyway, plus we have something stirring in WD next month.
"Ancient darkness rises" Necrons for sure, and I believe that there were rumours that they would feature heavily in the next campaign.

So, psychic awakening.....the Lion is asleep, if the Fallen are coming back in a big way, Maybe it is time for him to return. (not a sold on this as the above however).

This is what I feel is coming with the psychic awakening and the next campaign. Just musings, no real news of course.
   
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 Carnikang wrote:
 The Warp Forge wrote:

IIRC from lore in 7th ed. Ghazzy went to Octarius, defeated the 'Nids and started building the biggest Teleportas to go back to Armageddon and fight again, so I think he has plenty chance to come back, especially if their hinting at a WE book with Angron........


Last I heard the war was ongoing....since Khorne took an interest and has a bunch of worshippers slamming around.

Not sure what references there are in the Ork or Tyranid books, but in Codex: Deathwatch it says...
Spoiler:
Time Runs Out...
Vermillion-level alerts reach the Doombreak, Eye of Octos and Furor Shield watch fortresses as the unthinkable happens. Triggered by empyric shock waves from the opening of the Great Rift, swarms of enormous Tyranids and hordes of hulking Skarboyz break away from the Octarian war to attack neighbouring systems. The Watch Masters of all three fortresses request urgent reinforcement from the wider Imperium, before surging into battle.



Personally, on the Ork threat side of things, I'm in favour of the 2nd ed solution - break out the Virus Outbreak Strategy Card!

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Just on a slight tangent - Is the Vigilus stuff over? I always thought it would be three books, but maybe I misinterpreted that.

   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Sabotage! wrote:
I would absolutely love for an Armageddon boxed set with BT and Orks to come out. Maybe we could get a new ork unit and maybe some Primaris with swords and hand flamers or something. I've always liked both factions, and it would be a good excuse for me to build two small themed 40k forces around a concept I actually enjoy.

It would also be a good excuse to finally replace the ancient Cadians with new plastic Steel Legion models. It would be pretty easy to just release a Squad Box, a Command Box, and a Heavy Weapon box and you'd be set. Toss a couple vehicle crew in the various kit and you have a whole new IG range. More likely though it would just mean a "Made to Order" for the out of print Steel Legion stuff.

I have a feeling GW will never make new models for IG/ Astra Militarum what not. At least not when more marines can be made.

If they make new models for Guard, it's going to be an updated version of Cadians with some new customizing parts.


You seem pretty certain of that, though I doubt it. Cadia is no longer a planet after all, and there are only so many Cadian regiments left out there. Maybe something similar to Cadians, but making new Cadians wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. But again, we are talking about GW making new Guard, so we are already grasping at straws.

I can see it now, still using the awful Cadian models in 2030.....with Megaris Space Marines the size of dreadnoughts (and I do like Primaris, so it's not a knock against them).


 
   
 
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