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Isn't spiel or some kind of event next week, i'd expect to see this khorne gang unveiled by then.

Don't even know why this has to be a new thread, since this has 0 picture or proof, or any info about the gangs and just the same speculation already made in the current Necromunda thread.

Expanded/properly fleshed out Genestealer/Chaos Cults would be a welcome addition to the game. The "get you by" nature of their current rules isn't great, especially with GSC and their lame Champions.

 privateer4hire wrote:
I just hope they replace the recently released hard cover gangs book and core book. I hate to get in more than a couple of games per printing.

Make it a yearly thing, like Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed.

We had N17, we're on N18 now. We're skipping N19 (like iPhone 9 and Windows 9) and going straight to N20!

I would love to see new Ratskin Renegades -perhaps with an upgrade sprue for mutilated limbs and multiple old battlewounds they gather along the way.
But I wish they get a usefull Shaman this time around.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Redemptors are thematically very similar to the Cawdor, they don't need to exist as a separate thing.

What an absurd comment.

Once upon a time the core 6 gangs were the same except for differing skill tables. They changed that, so why can't they differentiate here?

And who said anything about 'need'?

Sure, they can change things, but then you start to shriek that things are different than they were quarter a century ago.

Guilders seem to offer new and thematically interesting elements, so I'd prefer if they concentrated on those.

Sadly the people in charge seem more interested in catering to your preferences.

Personally I'd rather see classic gangs and more "everyday" addon material - Necromunda's appeal was the lawless cybergothic pseudowestern angle, the strongly-affiliated PMC-lite angle they're pushing with the new version leaves me cold.

Baxx wrote:
Do people really hope for spyrers and why?

To stop anyone else from having fun, and Enforcers weren't broken enough

 Crimson wrote:
Redemptors are thematically very similar to the Cawdor, they don't need to exist as a separate thing.

Thought part of the reason for the Cawdor redesign (more focus on being scavengers) was to differentiate them more from the Redemptionists.
As for Spyrers; I think they were addressed in some Twitch stream at some point. Can't remember details, but something about making them a bit more balanced and fun (to play against) I think. I'm sure we'll see them at some point, but who knows when...

I think they should have Brats instead of Spyrers. Spyrers really seem quite out of place in the game and the setting. Brats can have access to all sort of rare and expensive equipment without being some sort of Tau Power Rangers.

 Crimson wrote:
Spyrers really seem quite out of place in the game and the setting.

Based on what metric?

 Crimson wrote:
Brats can have access to all sort of rare and expensive equipment without being some sort of Tau Power Rangers.

The Tau stuff was an easter egg that came years after the fact.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Based on what metric?

Good taste and common sense.

The Tau stuff was an easter egg that came years after the fact.

I didn't mean Tau literally, I meant conceptually. They're high tech specialised powersuits. They're too über and scify for a setting about lowly street rats. It's like having Space Marines in there.

 Crimson wrote:
Good taste and common sense.

Translation: Just my opinion, which I'm stating as fact somehow.

 Crimson wrote:
I didn't mean Tau literally, I meant conceptually. They're high tech specialised powersuits. They're too über and scify for a setting about lowly street rats. It's like having Space Marines in there.

But they're specifically people from up-hive, so why doesn't it fit?

Seemed to fit fine with Oldcromunda. If you're worried about the balance issues of them being too powerful, then that's kinda pointless as the rules can easily change.

I'd prefer Brat Gangs to spryers. I also never got how the Imperium could make these power suits but never use them on the field.

Coked up yuppie scum kids with flashy guns bought with daddy's money.... That'll be cool.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But they're specifically people from up-hive, so why doesn't it fit?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'd prefer Brat Gangs to spryers. I also never got how the Imperium could make these power suits but never use them on the field.

Yep, because of this. They just don't make sense in the setting as a whole. If some rich punks could do this, then certainly there would be some sort of elite regiments using the similar tech?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I also never got how the Imperium could make these power suits but never use them on the field.

The Imperium is capable of making some very high tech goods, think space ships, Land Raiders, advanced cogitators, etc. Just because most in the Imperium dress up like they're LARPing, doesn't mean it's backwards. Also, there are a few possibilities regarding this tech:

1) pre-Imperial technology: Necromunda is filled with archeotech, these suits might be based on that.
2) non-Mechanicus technology: these suits are basically made by some Heretek, non sanctioned technology
3) xenos infuence: there were rumours that these might be influenced by xenos tech. When GW came up with the Tau language, they included words that matched the names of the Necromunda Spyrer suits, allowing fans to speculate like crazy...

I'm sticking to my initial instinct on the "nobles harassing plebs" gang option: the gang should be Brats, but one of their late-campaign equipment options should be Spyrer suits.

That way we get the IMO cooler gang, people who want Spyrers can get them eventually, but they won't feth up the game and be hideously unfun to play against. It also makes it marginally less likely that they'll give Brats jetbikes like Andy was wishlisting about on one of the streams, since they push things too far towards Confrontation/Rogue Trader territory for my taste.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm sticking to my initial instinct on the "nobles harassing plebs" gang option: the gang should be Brats, but one of their late-campaign equipment options should be Spyrer suits.

That certainly seems like a reasonable compromise.

 Malika2 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I also never got how the Imperium could make these power suits but never use them on the field.

The Imperium is capable of making some very high tech goods, think space ships, Land Raiders, advanced cogitators, etc. Just because most in the Imperium dress up like they're LARPing, doesn't mean it's backwards. Also, there are a few possibilities regarding this tech:

1) pre-Imperial technology: Necromunda is filled with archeotech, these suits might be based on that.
2) non-Mechanicus technology: these suits are basically made by some Heretek, non sanctioned technology
3) xenos infuence: there were rumours that these might be influenced by xenos tech. When GW came up with the Tau language, they included words that matched the names of the Necromunda Spyrer suits, allowing fans to speculate like crazy...

Yeah there's lots of ways to hand wave it, but the suits were so unlike any other imperial tech (evolving pokemon style as your advanced for instance) I could never quite buy them. I'm with the folks who say they stick out as wrong. If they were some Adeptus Mech killing machine, or xeno on safari or whatever sure. But the Imperium has living mech suits and only uses them for sport killing the homeless? And then they hang them up and never use them again? Just never quite worked for me.

Brats down to kill the poor for giggles works a lot better in my mind and has potential for some satire and laughs.

I'd always thought their was a Tau- Spyrer connection. Sorta makes sense.

I liked the idea of xeno- derived stuff or heretical designs. It's not like the elite would care where that stuff comes from, as long as it is top of the line and gives them a leg up over their peers.

 Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But they're specifically people from up-hive, so why doesn't it fit?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'd prefer Brat Gangs to spryers. I also never got how the Imperium could make these power suits but never use them on the field.

Yep, because of this. They just don't make sense in the setting as a whole. If some rich punks could do this, then certainly there would be some sort of elite regiments using the similar tech?

There has been, but purged cause..you know. HERESY!


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One of the cool things to remember about Necromunda is that deep down in the bowels of the spires can be some awsome pre Imperial tech. Or maybe the attics of guilders? Sometimes it all looks the same. I always assumed Spyers were using some bad heretical tech.

 Malika2 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I also never got how the Imperium could make these power suits but never use them on the field.

The Imperium is capable of making some very high tech goods, think space ships, Land Raiders, advanced cogitators, etc. Just because most in the Imperium dress up like they're LARPing, doesn't mean it's backwards. Also, there are a few possibilities regarding this tech:

They aren't backwards because they're 'LARPing.' The technological backwardness is one of the defining traits of the Imperium. They might as well be an alien-friendly, religiously tolerant democracy as well.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I also never got how the Imperium could make these power suits but never use them on the field.

Because the Imperium isn't homogeneous. Those suits are unique to that hive on that one world.

Necromunda isn't your average hive world, it's the largest weapons manufacturer for the Imperium and only a small portion of its weapon was made for the Imperium.

Largest weapons manufacturer in the Imperium... and isn't a forge world?

Chopstick wrote:
Necromunda isn't your average hive world, it's the largest weapons manufacturer for the Imperium and only a small portion of its weapon was made for the Imperium.

... who are the majority of the weapons for, then? The eldar?

Voss wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Necromunda isn't your average hive world, it's the largest weapons manufacturer for the Imperium and only a small portion of its weapon was made for the Imperium.

... who are the majority of the weapons for, then? The eldar?

cough...cough...they fell off the transport....cough...cough....

nothing to see here....move along....

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Largest weapons manufacturer in the Imperium... and isn't a forge world?

Maybe meaning lasguns/autoguns and small arms. Not so much tanks and flying craft. Considering the type of weapons the hive gangers can get their hands on i'd find that believable. Though I do kind of dislike how accessible plasma/meltas and special weapons are in this current edition.

dont they make a pattern of the Zorg ZF-1?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I also never got how the Imperium could make these power suits but never use them on the field.

Because the Imperium isn't homogeneous. Those suits are unique to that hive on that one world.

I realize it's a fictional universe and if the owners of said universe say 'this is so' they hey it is.

And sure the Imperium can make winged dudes and cyber spider assassin dudes and big hulk hand dudes with guns on their forearms and um... girls, but they'd be more like half-mad cyber constructs than suits the rich can put on and take off at will. Plus I just can't see the rich exposing themselves that way just for some sport.

But...

But...

thinking about it, what if the Spryers are in fact vat-grown cyber thingies remote piloted by upper-hivers? People might think there's an upper hiver in his Sunday best in that suit but in fact it's a half-mechanical clone run like a video game.

Solves the tech and logic issues, and adds a new wrinkle of grim dark.

I think I like this idea.

I remember Spyrers as a cool idea, but hard to play against and incredibly boring to play with because they lacked all the charm of the other gangs.
Other gangs were able to build up personality for each ganger, custom gear, injuries and advances, starvation and the odd archeotech, etc.
In the long run almost every inbetween that made necromunda great was lacking in a Spyrer gang.