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 Easy E wrote:
They make sense to me after re-reading some of the details.

Thanks! A suggestion I keep getting, and eyeing, is ditching the dashboard entirely, and simply laying the cards out on the table top in the same 3x3 configuration. I'm pretty leery of doing that, but I'm considering trying it out. Currently I have 4 cards available in a 54 card set with 2 set aside for summary cards. A card for each Titan for size and initiative would definitely trim some cost off a production version.

I'll add that the reason I haven't done this yet is that I can't figure out how the turns and main loop of the game would work like this where all the cards are essentially on the table and available at once. Part of the design is that you're cycling through a deck. Not to say that the nice thing about games is that you can rip out parts of the design, especially the darlings, but this is less a darling than something that is at least relatively straightforward and intuitable by the players.

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So an idea that I had was to turn the cards sideways. They're essentially Poker-sized 63.5x88.9mm. Where they're sideway there's no only more space for the headers denoting what systems the cards represent, but laid out overlapping so the top system is showing everything on the card and the cards below only show about 12.5mm for their headers and form a square.

A pattern of 3x3 squares is important, somehow, I think, to link the Titan's position and orientation on the board to incoming and outgoing attacks.

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Nurglitch wrote:
So an idea that I had was to turn the cards sideways. They're essentially Poker-sized 63.5x88.9mm. Where they're sideway there's no only more space for the headers denoting what systems the cards represent, but laid out overlapping so the top system is showing everything on the card and the cards below only show about 12.5mm for their headers and form a square.

A pattern of 3x3 squares is important, somehow, I think, to link the Titan's position and orientation on the board to incoming and outgoing attacks.


That does sound very good, and will definitely contribute to the feelings of a well designed game! I always struggle with fitting the information I want onto cards when I'm trying stuff - and I don't want to have to supply a magnifying glass for people to be able to read it!

Sometimes it's the little details which make a game work best! Good stuff!

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 some bloke wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
So an idea that I had was to turn the cards sideways. They're essentially Poker-sized 63.5x88.9mm. Where they're sideway there's no only more space for the headers denoting what systems the cards represent, but laid out overlapping so the top system is showing everything on the card and the cards below only show about 12.5mm for their headers and form a square.

A pattern of 3x3 squares is important, somehow, I think, to link the Titan's position and orientation on the board to incoming and outgoing attacks.


That does sound very good, and will definitely contribute to the feelings of a well designed game! I always struggle with fitting the information I want onto cards when I'm trying stuff - and I don't want to have to supply a magnifying glass for people to be able to read it!

Sometimes it's the little details which make a game work best! Good stuff!

Thank you. I still have the problem of how players play with them when laid out. My wife prefers the 'deck to hand to in-play to deck' loop, and I can't figure out how to 'play' with the cards when they're laid out like this.

Currently the dashboard performs the functions of tracking (i) position of systems, (ii) damage to systems, (iii) position and strength of shields, and (iv) initiative. The cards perform the functions of tracking (v) systems available to play in hand vs in deck, (vi) systems in play face-up or down on the table, and (vii) how they play, their effect value, and rules, mediated slightly by [ii].

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Halifax

Here's the layout:



Notably it's a matter of opportunity cost; activating one system means that a [hexagon]'s worth of other systems will not be activated. Previously these cards would be played out of hand with the activated cards played face-up and the opportunity cost cards played face-down.

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Here's an alternate idea for Titan Dashboards: 2 pre-set 'builds' for each Titan for 4 cards to go with the 30 Titan system, 12 Weapon system, and 8 Crew cards.



Players can mark up the cards with dry-erase markers to track damage and initiative, and pass the cards around to check for which of the Titan's 9 target stacks the enemy can see on the board.

Font is Calibri 8pt for systems/weapons/crew titles, Arial 9pt bold for header. The stacks match up well with the 20mm shield tokens.

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Have you considered something of a different style...a poker sized card for the "chassis" and important relevant info with arrows pointing to the edges of the card, where you place other micro/mini cards for optional components? Or a larger card like a Tarot card with small chits/tokens placed on top of the frame?

 
   
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Yup:

A5 with slot-in tokens, punchboard
A5 with tokens overlaying card
A5 with slot-in tokens, plastic
A5 record sheets

Then notion is that the 3x3 of the system diagram corresponds to the chassis of the Titan as well as the 3x3 area of the board representing its position and direction. The systems/weapons/crew are mounted within these squares.

I like the card idea since it can be printed as part of a pack of cards, and can be positioned over the model to show what targets are available to attackers. A larger version, like a tarot-sized version, would be easier to read but commensurately more expensive.


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Here's the font increased to 12pt and 10pt Calibri



Turns out reducing the paragraph line spacing to 90% from 120% helps 'chunk' the two-line system names better.

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Also been working on re-posing the Titans. For some reason a duck-footed stance is considered 'cool.'


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And now what I'm calling the 'Warpath':


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The Raptor, with guns:


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My current component list is:

Printed
-Box 220 mm x 160mm x 160mm
-Board (6x6 50mm squares) quad-fold, 300mm
-Rulebook, A5-sized, 24-page saddle-stitch
-Shield Tokens 20x 20mm round
-Cards 54x including 4 Titan Dashboards
-Building stickers 2x A5 sticker sheets (80x 18mm x 23 mm)

Plastic
-Buildings 40x 20mm x 20mm x 25mm (replaceable with plastic cubes/blank dice)
-Titans, 2x including 2x bases 48mm wide (Replaceable with meeples), 50mm tall
-Weapons 12x (optional)

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A quick'n'dirty attempt at edge high-lighting in 3D Paint:

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Been fiddling with the Rhea, as her shoulders were bothering me in that last version:

Left


Right



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Something I've been trying to improve is the card design for TITANOMACHINA. And I think I have something now, after several iterations.

The HR COST is now a hexagon.

Previously the HR Cost was indicated by a flag-like thing that confused everyone. Hexagons resemble buildings, since they resemble cubes seen corner-on, and help represent an opportunity cost in both HR Cost for list-building (invest in more buildings or more high-powered systems), and VP for scoring.

The Charge is now card-shaped (2.5:3.5 Poker-style ratio).

This indicates the opportunity cost of playing a card; playing a card face-up means playing other cards face-down.

The EFFECT is now an octagon.

This octagonal shape matches Titans' octagonal base, indicating how it affects the game via the Titan.

Text has been added, labels included, headers embiggened and emboldened.




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Is that just the layout? I assume there will be colour involved? That's another super easy way to identify the cost etc.

 
   
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Yup, that's just the card layout since I lack the talent to do it myself.

Hopefully I can salvage enough of the 2nd version art:



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Recording damage on the card-sized dashboard. Tracking damage on a Raptor Titan Dashboard with a dry-erase marker. One tick is light damage, two is heavy damage, and crossed out is destroyed.


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MN

I like the Raptor design a lot.

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Cool. It's also the best model to demo the game's modularity feature. The version on the right swaps out the left's Macro Cannon, Turret, and Big Arms for Sponsons. Drops the Titan deck from 22 to 20.

What does that mean? Starting with 8 cards in hand and drawing five cards a round it can cycle through its deck in the first four rounds rather than the first five.


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Suddenly, Claws!


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Working on that parts-list, trying to make this look like 'good value for money.'

Printed
-Box 9" by 6.5" by 3"
-Board (6x6 2" squares) quad-fold, 12"
-Rulebook, Half-letter-sized, 24-page saddle-stitch
-Shield Tokens 40x 13/16" round, transparent
-Cards 108x including 8 Titan Dashboards (2 per Titan)
-Building stickers 7x A5 sticker sheets (80x 1" square)

Plastic
-Buildings 64x 1" cubes
-Titans, 4x including 4x bases 2" wide, 2" tall
-Weapons 12x

Wooden Alternates to Plastic
-Buildings 64x 1" cubes
-Meeples, 4x 2"

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More Raptor variants:



Raptor Sinister with Big Arms, Hand, and Macro Gun; Raptor Dexter with Arms, Plasma Howitzer, and Buzz Saw.

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Eschewing arms entirely, this Raptor has two Sponsons and a Turret, mounting two Missile Pods and a Macro Laser.




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Also, working on the graphic design of the card-sized Dashboards, specifically getting the Initiative and direction-indicator to make more sense.

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