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Hellebore wrote:

The sprue was recut and they decided to use some of the same designs. It is, by definition not the same kit. It uses some of the same parts from another kit but that doesn't make it the same kit.

The Falcon heavy weapons are on a separate sprue so they could be used across every Eldar unit. They didn recut the Falcon sprue. As you point out, it still says 1997.

The Ork boy sprue doesn't say 2000

If Boys gaining boss nob and heavy weapons is a new kit, so too is the Falcon gaining heavy weapons. Separate sprue or not the kit is different (as different as Ork boys).

I kind of agree. But, the main Falcon sprues remain the same as they ever were. This is why I said the Basilisk cannon is the oldest entry in Imperial Guard - but only technically, as it’s chassis received a revamp around......6th Ed, I think? May have been earlier. But definitely a different sprue.

Either way, oldest Ork kit is the Deffkopta by a year or two.

Oldest Eldar kit is joint between the three Warlock sculpts.

Ooooh.

Chaos Daemons.

It’s Belakor. At a mere, what, 16ish years old? The rest of the range has had quite the refresh over the years, oddly sporadic as it was.

 Overread wrote:
Termagaunts are WAY older than the current hormagaunts. Hormagaunts at least have a single head part not a split head which drives me nuts with Termagaunts!

They came out at the same time. In the same box.

 Polonius wrote:
Nids: gaunts/warriors

Warriors got completely recut to include parts for the Tyranid Prime as well as all the weapons they were missing (boneswords, lashwhips, devourers and I think spinefists).

 Polonius wrote:
Tau: kroot

+Devilfish, Hammerhead

Fire Warriors should count too as all they've done with them is add a different head only a lunatic would use and those useless shotgun options.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
What is the single oldest model mold still in use right now?

Though not produced in some time, the malleus terminator inquisitor rules refer to the 1989 inquisitor model.

I'm not sure if the chimera (1995) or basilisk (1996) have been recut.

LoftyS wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
Tau: kroot

+Devilfish, Hammerhead

Fire Warriors should count too as all they've done with them is add a different head only a lunatic would use and those useless shotgun options.

Um no, the current FW kit is 100% a resculpted kit from the ground up. They are not in any way the same as the kit that came out in 2001.


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A.T. wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
What is the single oldest model mold still in use right now?

Though not produced in some time, the malleus terminator inquisitor rules refer to the 1989 inquisitor model.

I'm not sure if the chimera (1995) or basilisk (1996) have been recut.

They both have in 2008, though as MDG points out the gun on the Bassie is the same sprue.

 Overread wrote:
Termagaunts are WAY older than the current hormagaunts. Hormagaunts at least have a single head part not a split head which drives me nuts with Termagaunts!

But... the current hormagaunts do have a split head. Just like termagants.
Both of them came out at the same time, February 2001.

The only current version of either that comes with a non-split head is the lower detail, 2 part termagants, that come in the 5 model box. I think those first came out a few years afterwards, in the Battle for Macragge starter box.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:


Tactical marines received a completely new kit with the latest kit, no? They received a lot more than just a few bits and bobs. The entire kit was redone.

Not 100% sure about that. they may have been but the differance between the kits are pretty minimal. I've noted before that before Primaris Marines, Space Marine design had almost stagnated as GW tried to make all the kits interchangable.

the kits where still decent but GW couldn't really step up their game much with marines (beyond making the details more crisp for example) unless they where willing to move away from the mass interchangability. Primaris Marines represent GW's tenative step in that direction IMHO.

BrianDavion wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:


Tactical marines received a completely new kit with the latest kit, no? They received a lot more than just a few bits and bobs. The entire kit was redone.

Not 100% sure about that. they may have been but the differance between the kits are pretty minimal. I've noted before that before Primaris Marines, Space Marine design had almost stagnated as GW tried to make all the kits interchangable.

the kits where still decent but GW couldn't really step up their game much with marines (beyond making the details more crisp for example) unless they where willing to move away from the mass interchangability. Primaris Marines represent GW's tenative step in that direction IMHO.

The marine kits since 6th were total resculpts. They kept the same aesthetic, but the give away is the reversal of the little nubs/slots used to align the torso halves. If we are talking about age of kits, they are new.

Catachan Infantry Squad are definitely the oldest in the Guard line.

I don't remember if Yarrick's current model was released prior to, or before the 3.5 'dex but it doesn't show up in the Armageddon book.

Then it's most of the Cadian stuff and the Sactioned Psykers (Wyrdvane) except for the Command Squad.

The Catachan Snipers/Heavy Weapon Squad came out at some random point between 3rd and 4th if I remember right.

Catachan Heavy Weapon squad came out after the Cadian one did. Up until that point Catachan players were still using the metal HW teams.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Catachan Heavy Weapon squad came out after the Cadian one did. Up until that point Catachan players were still using the metal HW teams.

And the metal officers, who looked better than the current plastics imo.

 Arbitrator wrote:
I don't remember if Yarrick's current model was released prior to, or before the 3.5 'dex but it doesn't show up in the Armageddon book.

Huh - I thought he came out as part of the campaign support, alongside the current Ghaz model.

Pretty sure he did?

Models redesign, with the heftier klaw featured in the artwork, certainly.


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As for Tau?

It is indeed Kroot, Devilfish and Hammerhead.

Though the Hammerhead did received a repackage to include the Missile array. I think?

Storm guardian upgrade pack? I don't know how old they are, but they look like straight doodoo. I have instead modded mine with DE helmetless heads and resin katanas and shuriken pistol bits.

joewarhost wrote:
Storm guardian upgrade pack? I don't know how old they are, but they look like straight doodoo. I have instead modded mine with DE helmetless heads and resin katanas and shuriken pistol bits.

They were released with the eye of terror campaign in 2003.

Mild threadomancy, but relevant.

Just hours ago. Ragnar’s new model was revealed.

So. Who is now the oldest serving sculpt?

got to be the phoenix lords right ?
The metal maugan ra I bought said Dark reaper exarch on its slotta.. so hes pre-phoenix lord i guess?

You may, genuinely be right.

If some kind Dakkanaut has a stack of old White Dwarfs, could they look into it? Cannot tell if it’s the Warlocks, Warp Spiders or Phoenix Lords?

May be an absolute dead heat like!

It's each of these Servitors
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Grey-Knights-Servitors-with-Multi-melta
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Grey-Knights-Servitors-with-Plasma-Cannon

The left hand ones. The right hand ones with the guns came about with the =][= dexes in the early 2000's.

First appear in the 1992 catalogue

Next eldest appear to be a couple of Eldar Warlocks, which first appear in the 1993 catalogue, along with the Phoenix Lords.

Excellent sourcing and citation! My non-existent hat is genuinely tipped!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You may, genuinely be right.

If some kind Dakkanaut has a stack of old White Dwarfs, could they look into it? Cannot tell if it’s the Warlocks, Warp Spiders or Phoenix Lords?

May be an absolute dead heat like!

According to the release timeline here: https://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?297915-Games-Workshop-40K-Release-Timeline-(Mk-II)&s=232b9b1acb7685779e93c6ce5af0de41&p=5406149&mode=linear#post5406149
Phoenix Lords + Warlocks were all from around April/May 1994.
Warp Spiders are from March 1994.

There's a disturbing amount of Eldar minis still in production that those Servitors just pip to the post that all came out in 1993.

The Avatar, those aformentioned Warlocks&Phoenix Lords, Warp Spiders and their Exarch

It is an oddity for sure.

On balance, it does seem now Jain Zar has been updated, the rest the Phoenix Lords will follow suit.

Avatar remains an excellent sculpt, but definitely in need of a redo (it’s notwtiny compared to Greater Daemons).

Warlocks? Well, that slot has had additions since, so possibly forgivable?

Stop the presses!

I've just noticed the power armoured Njal Stormcaller is still in production.

He first appears in the same catalogue as the Servitors. Not sure on specific dates though. I'll have to have a look through some old WDs (got them all digitally (yo ho ho!)) to find out specifics.

Fair point. I forgot his resculpt was optional Terminator Armour.

Folks, RT is still with us! (Just)


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Nigel, Roger and Eric all arrived right at the very arse end of Rogue Trader.

So arse end it properly bridged the gap between RT and 2nd Ed.

 Duskweaver wrote:
This guy

is still on sale as part of the 'Armour Through The Ages' set and appears in the first Citadel Miniatures Catalogue from 1991. So, older than Ragnar. He comes with a new-style backpack these days, though, if that matters.

Yessir, still this guy. Njal and the Servitors aren't in the 1991 catalogue.

Just looked through those WD's.

It' was a close call. Njal appears first in the January 1993 issue with the Servitors following 2 months later in the March issue.

We have a winner.

Ah, technical fault. He has no official rules, and appears in no Codex.

Referring to the Thunder Warrior, for clarity.