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Honestly, at this point in 8th, its so out of control in damage i'd rather just wait for a soft reset of everything. I have FW units, and not really caring if i play them as they just die turn 1 or are super OP. WOW so fun.

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I don't think there's even a slight hope of getting an update to the R&H rules.

No models, no rules.

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Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Stux wrote:
TSons - Osiron Dread, 40k rules please. If any army should have psychic dreadnoughts, its TSons!


The only issue with this is that GW changed TS Dreadnought fluff and they don't actually contain Sons anymore.


Also, I kind of hope R&H don't get an update and instead we get a full Traitoris Militarum book.

Why would you prefer a Traitor Guard codex to updating r&h? Honest question.


GW would most likely give us a number of new options and a Traitor Guard Codex would give us an actual available line of models to boot.

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Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Stux wrote:
TSons - Osiron Dread, 40k rules please. If any army should have psychic dreadnoughts, its TSons!


The only issue with this is that GW changed TS Dreadnought fluff and they don't actually contain Sons anymore.


Also, I kind of hope R&H don't get an update and instead we get a full Traitoris Militarum book.

Why would you prefer a Traitor Guard codex to updating r&h? Honest question.

Don't know,probably because he didn't habe ia13?

Because i take that list with it 's various Styles over guard but spikey any day

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10'000 + years of veterancy, or some raidy Boys?
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Not Online!!! wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Stux wrote:
TSons - Osiron Dread, 40k rules please. If any army should have psychic dreadnoughts, its TSons!


The only issue with this is that GW changed TS Dreadnought fluff and they don't actually contain Sons anymore.


Also, I kind of hope R&H don't get an update and instead we get a full Traitoris Militarum book.

Why would you prefer a Traitor Guard codex to updating r&h? Honest question.

Don't know,probably because he didn't habe ia13?

Because i take that list with it 's various Styles over guard but spikey any day


The IA13 list was broken as hell, there's no way they'd do anything near that again. Try actually reading my response to the question above maybe?

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 Platuan4th wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Stux wrote:
TSons - Osiron Dread, 40k rules please. If any army should have psychic dreadnoughts, its TSons!


The only issue with this is that GW changed TS Dreadnought fluff and they don't actually contain Sons anymore.


Also, I kind of hope R&H don't get an update and instead we get a full Traitoris Militarum book.

Why would you prefer a Traitor Guard codex to updating r&h? Honest question.

Don't know,probably because he didn't habe ia13?

Because i take that list with it 's various Styles over guard but spikey any day


The IA13 list was broken as hell, there's no way they'd do anything near that again. Try actually reading my response to the question above maybe?


Lol what response above? The statement that you just want traitor guard and let everything else let rot?

Also what was that broken about IA13?
Because the only thing remotely broken that R&H had was thanks to the later Vraks updates and formations. Not the book in itself but alas.

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Who would win:
10'000 + years of veterancy, or some raidy Boys?
Trick Question, of course it's the loyalists!

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Fargo, ND USA

Not Online!!! wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Stux wrote:
TSons - Osiron Dread, 40k rules please. If any army should have psychic dreadnoughts, its TSons!


The only issue with this is that GW changed TS Dreadnought fluff and they don't actually contain Sons anymore.


Also, I kind of hope R&H don't get an update and instead we get a full Traitoris Militarum book.

Why would you prefer a Traitor Guard codex to updating r&h? Honest question.

Don't know,probably because he didn't habe ia13?

Because i take that list with it 's various Styles over guard but spikey any day


The IA13 list was broken as hell, there's no way they'd do anything near that again. Try actually reading my response to the question above maybe?


Lol what response above? The statement that you just want traitor guard and let everything else let rot?


 Platuan4th wrote:


GW would most likely give us a number of new options and a Traitor Guard Codex would give us an actual available line of models to boot.


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The dark hollows of Kentucky

 Platuan4th wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Stux wrote:
TSons - Osiron Dread, 40k rules please. If any army should have psychic dreadnoughts, its TSons!


The only issue with this is that GW changed TS Dreadnought fluff and they don't actually contain Sons anymore.


Also, I kind of hope R&H don't get an update and instead we get a full Traitoris Militarum book.

Why would you prefer a Traitor Guard codex to updating r&h? Honest question.

Don't know,probably because he didn't habe ia13?

Because i take that list with it 's various Styles over guard but spikey any day


The IA13 list was broken as hell, there's no way they'd do anything near that again. Try actually reading my response to the question above maybe?

Yeah gw would never create a totally broken faction!

So anybody heard if the new Iron Hands supplement is any good?
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Stux wrote:
TSons - Osiron Dread, 40k rules please. If any army should have psychic dreadnoughts, its TSons!


The only issue with this is that GW changed TS Dreadnought fluff and they don't actually contain Sons anymore.


Also, I kind of hope R&H don't get an update and instead we get a full Traitoris Militarum book.

Why would you prefer a Traitor Guard codex to updating r&h? Honest question.

Don't know,probably because he didn't habe ia13?

Because i take that list with it 's various Styles over guard but spikey any day


The IA13 list was broken as hell, there's no way they'd do anything near that again. Try actually reading my response to the question above maybe?

Yeah gw would never create a totally broken faction!

So anybody heard if the new Iron Hands supplement is any good?

Hey have you seen that new Windrider kit? It looks like everyone can take a weapon!

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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A lot of stuff needs point re-evaluations. Carriage artillery are an especially notable example...

They also need to go through and fix all the errors, typos, and lack of proper keywords. As much as Vigilus detachments were a half-assed mistake, they're around and there's no reason why FW stuff should be excluded from them. Actually, I'd be even more in favour of FW specific detachments. "Legacy Tank Company" of Malcadors? Sure. "Static Artillery Detachment"? "Imperial Navy Air Wing?" Hell yeah.

Hades breaching drills need to be given back to DKoK engineers, and the "Veterans" that come with it for normal guard need to be made into actual "Veterans."

I want more R&H. They're the pervasive, persistent form of Chaos that has kept the Imperium the fascist, hard-line, militant-religious society that it is. They deserve a bloody rulebook and some upgrade sprues more than the sodding Genestealer cult ever did.
   
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Tau Barracuda weapon profiles being brought up to their codex equivalents. I just love that model but I cannot bring myself to spend €100+ on something that I cannot reasonably field without massively gimping myself.
   
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Something for Grey Knights that's not Strikes, Paladins, or Dreadknights (that's pretty much our entire kit range).

I'll take all those old dirty SM units they don't want anymore.
   
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MiguelFelstone wrote:
Something for Grey Knights that's not Strikes, Paladins, or Dreadknights (that's pretty much our entire kit range).

I'll take all those old dirty SM units they don't want anymore.

Updated Glaive Dread and access to Contemptors would be nice.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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That the updates arrive sooner than later.

   
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give Wraithseer smite plix


And double its points.
   
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 p5freak wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:
give Wraithseer smite plix


And double its points.


Well played

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Who would win:
10'000 + years of veterancy, or some raidy Boys?
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So if gw is updating all the fw armies (or at least the ones they don't squat) that means new rules for the fw space marine chapters. So will they get a combined supplement? Will they get parent chapters? Do we finally find out who the parent chapters of chapters like the Carcharadons and Minotaurs are?
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
So if gw is updating all the fw armies (or at least the ones they don't squat) that means new rules for the fw space marine chapters. So will they get a combined supplement? Will they get parent chapters? Do we finally find out who the parent chapters of chapters like the Carcharadons and Minotaurs are?

We already have all but official confirmation Carchaodons are Raven Guard successors (do Stealthy and one of the melee Tactics for how they operate. They're surprisingly stealthy in fluff). I imagine for unconfirmed Chapters they'll give the Tactics to use and which Chapter to treat them as for Successor benefits, despite not officially designating them as a Successor. If that makes sense. I dunno.

I just want more Marines Errant rules. They're really unique and stuff.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
So if gw is updating all the fw armies (or at least the ones they don't squat) that means new rules for the fw space marine chapters. So will they get a combined supplement? Will they get parent chapters? Do we finally find out who the parent chapters of chapters like the Carcharadons and Minotaurs are?

We already have all but official confirmation Carchaodons are Raven Guard successors (do Stealthy and one of the melee Tactics for how they operate. They're surprisingly stealthy in fluff). I imagine for unconfirmed Chapters they'll give the Tactics to use and which Chapter to treat them as for Successor benefits, despite not officially designating them as a Successor. If that makes sense. I dunno.

I just want more Marines Errant rules. They're really unique and stuff.

Carcharadons have chimeric geneseed. So stealthy and fearsome aspect for their "other" parent legion .

I just wish they'd do Ashen Claws as besides Carcharadons and Black Dragons they're the only loyalists I'd ever consider playing.

Mostly I'm hoping they don't go overboard on the rules like they did for some of the other chapters.

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Stux wrote:

Marines - I know, we dont deserve it, but I'd love so much for a few more of the HH options to get 40k rules. As a DA player, the plasma flame guys and the new Terminators especially.



Same here, why cant I have firedrakes & pyroclasts?
   
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Racerguy180 wrote:
Stux wrote:

Marines - I know, we dont deserve it, but I'd love so much for a few more of the HH options to get 40k rules. As a DA player, the plasma flame guys and the new Terminators especially.



Same here, why cant I have firedrakes & pyroclasts?

Sounds great as long as I get terror squads and Night Raptors. Give me that "onslaught " rule. And Nostroman chainglaives of course.
   
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it makes sense that the legions would still have these in their chapter armouries/"chapter tactics".

I mean, firedrakes are Cataphractii thundernaters. give them something like attacks made with flame/melta are -2 to wound or something thematic like that.

Pyroclasts could have 9" flamers with +1 to wound with normal statline otherwise would be cool.

all of legions should have a variation on their own special rules. just make them appropriately costed(not that they have a great track record), but maybe with GW doin 'em they might be right (yeah right).
   
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I'm still amused that, after recent evidence *cough*Iron Hands*cough* people are so convinced that the GW rules team will automatically do a better (and/or more balanced) job than the FW team did.

Admittedly, they'll have had more time, and the system itself now has some better guides on things like keyword usage, but still...

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I want the barbed hierodule down to 290 pts and the scythed down to 275. No other changes nessecary for them.

Malanthrope should be 105 pts.

Dymachaeron should be 150pts.



Aquilon terminators should drop to same base price as allarus or they should gain some other ability (something like a deep strike flare that grants them -1 to hit them for one turn after they deep strike).

Venitari should be only 42pts base.




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People have infinite hope in this company to do something they've proven to be infinitely hopeless with. Makes perfect sense when you think about it. A tale of two extremes.
   
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Pandabeer wrote:
Tau Barracuda weapon profiles being brought up to their codex equivalents. I just love that model but I cannot bring myself to spend €100+ on something that I cannot reasonably field without massively gimping myself.


Speaking of Tau: Kel'Shan sept trait and point reduction for R'varna/Y'vahra

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"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"

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 Dysartes wrote:
I'm still amused that, after recent evidence *cough*Iron Hands*cough* people are so convinced that the GW rules team will automatically do a better (and/or more balanced) job than the FW team did.
Maybe it's because some of us cannot see GW doing a worse job with certain units.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
I'm still amused that, after recent evidence *cough*Iron Hands*cough* people are so convinced that the GW rules team will automatically do a better (and/or more balanced) job than the FW team did.
Maybe it's because some of us cannot see GW doing a worse job with certain units.


GW has proven before that they can always do a worse job.

Nids 6th codex to Nids 6th codex.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
I'm still amused that, after recent evidence *cough*Iron Hands*cough* people are so convinced that the GW rules team will automatically do a better (and/or more balanced) job than the FW team did.
Maybe it's because some of us cannot see GW doing a worse job with certain units.



ermmm, do you remember chaos spawn?

That thing had 5 editions it was unplayable.


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