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I guess because they added the missing unsubscibe option and fixed subscription issues, you might need to delete your chache and/or make a fresh install

Yeah, the iOS version is also pretty bad. Not making it work as a tablet app in 2020 is just embarrassing. At least the rules PDF is the one on GW's own CDN rather than Google Drive this time?

The iOS version uses Apple's payment system rather than take it's own cards, so at least it's easier to cancel I guess? Dunno if it works across both platforms though.

It is good that GW at least sort of admitted that it wasn't good, and gave some kind of roadmap, but bluntly it's so awful I'd take it down from the App Store and give it another six months.

Certainly, I would hope this isn't supposed to be the replacement for digital editions of the books. Just give me my Warhammer Digital download of the rulebook I paid for, thanks.

The app now crashes after the update every time I try to search something...

I would hope that tablet mode is going to be one of the things added in the upcoming improvements.

GW should have been upfront and said this was a beta release and gave it away for the first 3 months as they worked on it.

Then in 3 months time when it’s mostly usable they could have added the subscription fee to it.

That would have gone over much better then this release. Even the 1 month free nonsense is to late to change people’s opinion.

I do think once several new features are added and bugs are fixed it will be a decent app.. but it needs about 3 months of dedicated work to fix... better search functions, sub categories for rules, working army builder with quick links and updated rules, mission point calculator.
Add those things and I’ll pay 4.99 a month... I would buy a years subscription if they dropped the price to 2.99-3.99 a month and fixed the above.

Still crashes immediately after launching on my S7. So still no consideration for different screen sizes at least on the Android front.

According to the stack trace since i happen to be a programmer myself, it's trying to render a bitmap that's too large (likely the Indomitus graphic with the Primaris and Necron on the start page) for the screen resolution.

gungo wrote:
GW should have been upfront and said this was a beta release and gave it away for the first 3 months as they worked on it.

Then in 3 months time when it’s mostly usable they could have added the subscription fee to it.

That would have gone over much better then this release. Even the 1 month free nonsense is to late to change people’s opinion.

I do think once several new features are added and bugs are fixed it will be a decent app.. but it needs about 3 months of dedicated work to fix... better search functions, sub categories for rules, working army builder with quick links and updated rules, mission point calculator.
Add those things and I’ll pay 4.99 a month... I would buy a years subscription if they dropped the price to 2.99-3.99 a month and fixed the above.

I fully agree with you. I do wonder if there's contractual aspects tho between GW & the developers that prevents that level of giveaway. I doubt this is a fully inhouse app creation. We'll never know i guess. I'll revisit it when the army builder comes online

Wayniac wrote:
Still crashes immediately after launching on my S7. So still no consideration for different screen sizes at least on the Android front.

According to the stack trace since i happen to be a programmer myself, it's trying to render a bitmap that's too large (likely the Indomitus graphic with the Primaris and Necron on the start page) for the screen resolution.

Guess that's the same issue I'm seeing on my S6 then.

gungo wrote:
GW should have been upfront and said this was a beta release and gave it away for the first 3 months as they worked on it.

Then in 3 months time when it’s mostly usable they could have added the subscription fee to it.

That would have gone over much better then this release. Even the 1 month free nonsense is to late to change people’s opinion.

I do think once several new features are added and bugs are fixed it will be a decent app.. but it needs about 3 months of dedicated work to fix... better search functions, sub categories for rules, working army builder with quick links and updated rules, mission point calculator.
Add those things and I’ll pay 4.99 a month... I would buy a years subscription if they dropped the price to 2.99-3.99 a month and fixed the above.

Honestly if 8th edition rules had been freely available it would be a fine beta. Subscription just gives you access to the builder like Azyr and going forward codex purchases unlock updates beyond the free 8th content.

Personally though, the codex organization is appalling. Intercessors not being in the Dark Angel codex because they're in Ritual of the Damned? That's a pretty clear sign of the kind of persistent loss of functionality without additional cost we can expect to see going forward. It's possible that the list builder properly gives us a real view of the faction, but as it currently exists, it feels very much like its design is shackled by a fear of losing codex revenue.

Tavis75 wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Still crashes immediately after launching on my S7. So still no consideration for different screen sizes at least on the Android front.

According to the stack trace since i happen to be a programmer myself, it's trying to render a bitmap that's too large (likely the Indomitus graphic with the Primaris and Necron on the start page) for the screen resolution.

Guess that's the same issue I'm seeing on my S6 then.

Probably. It works on my wife's S10 which has a bigger screen size so that lends more proof to this being the case.

 LunarSol wrote:

gungo wrote:
GW should have been upfront and said this was a beta release and gave it away for the first 3 months as they worked on it.

Then in 3 months time when it’s mostly usable they could have added the subscription fee to it.

That would have gone over much better then this release. Even the 1 month free nonsense is to late to change people’s opinion.

I do think once several new features are added and bugs are fixed it will be a decent app.. but it needs about 3 months of dedicated work to fix... better search functions, sub categories for rules, working army builder with quick links and updated rules, mission point calculator.
Add those things and I’ll pay 4.99 a month... I would buy a years subscription if they dropped the price to 2.99-3.99 a month and fixed the above.

Honestly if 8th edition rules had been freely available it would be a fine beta. Subscription just gives you access to the builder like Azyr and going forward codex purchases unlock updates beyond the free 8th content.

Personally though, the codex organization is appalling. Intercessors not being in the Dark Angel codex because they're in Ritual of the Damned? That's a pretty clear sign of the kind of persistent loss of functionality without additional cost we can expect to see going forward. It's possible that the list builder properly gives us a real view of the faction, but as it currently exists, it feels very much like its design is shackled by a fear of losing codex revenue.

Yeah unfortunately the unit organization is not something they can ever change given that it's purpose is to force users to buy the expansion books to add units such as Intercessors to factions like Dark Angels. It's really scummy design and really just insulting to their customers who can see through the obvious greed going on here.

The only way this app becomes top notch is to dump all physical codex involvement, maybe charge a bigger fee for the subs, and make all rules available all the time on the app. But the dinosaurs afraid of the future still clinging to pointless dead trees make the money men unwilling to disconnect the two.

Come on guys, if you pay to beta test their bug-ridden app, you can get two months for the price of one! Why isn't everybody dancing in the streets at this incredible opportunity?

You're right! That's an even better deal than they gave for Necromunda '17.

You don't get the free month anymore if you subscribe? It was only given to those people who subscribed at launch...? At least my iCloud subs dont show the free month anywhere, and I subbed after GW declared the free month thing.


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 The Phazer wrote:
Yeah, the iOS version is also pretty bad. Not making it work as a tablet app in 2020 is just embarrassing. At least the rules PDF is the one on GW's own CDN rather than Google Drive this time?

The iOS version uses Apple's payment system rather than take it's own cards, so at least it's easier to cancel I guess? Dunno if it works across both platforms though.

It is good that GW at least sort of admitted that it wasn't good, and gave some kind of roadmap, but bluntly it's so awful I'd take it down from the App Store and give it another six months.

Certainly, I would hope this isn't supposed to be the replacement for digital editions of the books. Just give me my Warhammer Digital download of the rulebook I paid for, thanks.

I emailed WH Digital asking whether digital rulebooks have been discontinued going forward.. they havent replied yet, only stated they are under a heavy load currently and it might take them up to 10 days to reply to me.. I'm afraid that unless we make a petition of sorts and get enough people behind it we will be SOL

You’re supposed to get the free month if you subscribe before the end of July, so today. The free month is after paying for a month, so I’m not sure how they’re bookkeeping that and nothing has shown up on my end that I could see yet.

tauist wrote:
You don't get the free month anymore if you subscribe?

they never said that the first month is free, just "one" month

Don’t see the advantage of paying £4 for a terrible app, just so I can get that terrible app for free the following month.

 General Kroll wrote:
Don’t see the advantage of paying £4 for a terrible app, just so I can get that terrible app for free the following month.

Hey, sorry we charged you a premium price for what turned out to be a plate of moldy bread. Here, have a second plate of moldy bread on us to make up for it.

 General Kroll wrote:
Don’t see the advantage of paying £4 for a terrible app, just so I can get that terrible app for free the following month.

Only way it is worth it is if you like the idea of having all the 8th ed codex at your fingertips.
Once the rulebook searching and army builder come into it I'll revisit.

Until then it's not enough for me yet

iOS app updated. You can read the datasheets again and they added the Indomitus units now, duplicated five times for the Space Marines. They’ve got separate identical entries for codex marines and each non-codex chapter in one big long list.

More importantly, they fixed the Restore Purchases and other iOS App Store related code.

This app is pure rubbish.

A company of GW’s caliber should be ashamed at releasing such trash. Whoever is responsible for letting this out the door in this state needs to demoted to mopping floors and cleaning toilets.

 Phobos wrote:
This app is pure rubbish.

A company of GW’s caliber should be ashamed at releasing such trash. Whoever is responsible for letting this out the door in this state needs to demoted to mopping floors and cleaning toilets.

I hope not; I'd prefer it if any floors and toilets were cleaned rather more thoroughly than what is possible or deemed acceptable by the people responsible for this.

At this point I just wish I could open the fething thing.

Do they have an email or something for the app? I'd like to at least let them know it's crashing immediately after launching on certain screen resolutions so they maybe can fix that

Mr.Church13 wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

gungo wrote:
GW should have been upfront and said this was a beta release and gave it away for the first 3 months as they worked on it.

Then in 3 months time when it’s mostly usable they could have added the subscription fee to it.

That would have gone over much better then this release. Even the 1 month free nonsense is to late to change people’s opinion.

I do think once several new features are added and bugs are fixed it will be a decent app.. but it needs about 3 months of dedicated work to fix... better search functions, sub categories for rules, working army builder with quick links and updated rules, mission point calculator.
Add those things and I’ll pay 4.99 a month... I would buy a years subscription if they dropped the price to 2.99-3.99 a month and fixed the above.

Honestly if 8th edition rules had been freely available it would be a fine beta. Subscription just gives you access to the builder like Azyr and going forward codex purchases unlock updates beyond the free 8th content.

Personally though, the codex organization is appalling. Intercessors not being in the Dark Angel codex because they're in Ritual of the Damned? That's a pretty clear sign of the kind of persistent loss of functionality without additional cost we can expect to see going forward. It's possible that the list builder properly gives us a real view of the faction, but as it currently exists, it feels very much like its design is shackled by a fear of losing codex revenue.

Yeah unfortunately the unit organization is not something they can ever change given that it's purpose is to force users to buy the expansion books to add units such as Intercessors to factions like Dark Angels. It's really scummy design and really just insulting to their customers who can see through the obvious greed going on here.

The only way this app becomes top notch is to dump all physical codex involvement, maybe charge a bigger fee for the subs, and make all rules available all the time on the app. But the dinosaurs afraid of the future still clinging to pointless dead trees make the money men unwilling to disconnect the two.

They just need to break it down by individual datasheet
And when you search for all dark angel units. U get all the datasheets for each edition except the ones you haven’t bought the book has a lock next to it. Change all the 8th edition books into searchable epubs. But my main issue stems from how this is app organized. I want to set refined searches. I want to search all valid datasheets for 9th edition/match play/tournament legal/space marine/dark angels then all relevant datasheets should pop up with each category in a tab under each battlefield role such as HQ troop etc with the ones I don’t have visible but having a lock symbol with a pop up indicator showing which book I need. Bonus points if the older edition datasheet can be viewed with a red text disclaimer on top saying this datasheet is outdated and may not be accurate.

Wayniac wrote:
At this point I just wish I could open the fething thing.

Do they have an email or something for the app? I'd like to at least let them know it's crashing immediately after launching on certain screen resolutions so they maybe can fix that

The Long War podcast mentioned 40kapp@gwplc.com

Ragnar69 wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
At this point I just wish I could open the fething thing.

Do they have an email or something for the app? I'd like to at least let them know it's crashing immediately after launching on certain screen resolutions so they maybe can fix that

The Long War podcast mentioned 40kapp@gwplc.com

To be fair, GW put it on their site https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/29/app-improvements-updates-and-a-month-free/

I cant even sign into or register to try the damn thing. It is an absolute joke

 AduroT wrote:
iOS app updated. You can read the datasheets again and they added the Indomitus units now, duplicated five times for the Space Marines. They’ve got separate identical entries for codex marines and each non-codex chapter in one big long list.

Even with the update, I still get the "subscribe" or "use free app" page and if I try to subscribe it says "you're already subscribed! and it will renew on august 30th " (paraphrased), which is useless. Use free app and all the datasheets are locked.

Deleted and reinstalled app, still same issues.

Rihgu wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
iOS app updated. You can read the datasheets again and they added the Indomitus units now, duplicated five times for the Space Marines. They’ve got separate identical entries for codex marines and each non-codex chapter in one big long list.

Even with the update, I still get the "subscribe" or "use free app" page and if I try to subscribe it says "you're already subscribed! and it will renew on august 30th " (paraphrased), which is useless. Use free app and all the datasheets are locked.

Deleted and reinstalled app, still same issues.

It worked for me when I hit Restore Purchases.