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 Sentineil wrote:
Well this was a fun thread. Positive vibes lasted all of 3 posts.

GG Dakka!


this place really has become a pit of negativity

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Sentineil wrote:Well this was a fun thread. Positive vibes lasted all of 3 posts.

GG Dakka!


BrianDavion wrote:this place really has become a pit of negativity


Well, sorry not everyone has an unreservedly positive take without caveats. OP gave their reasons for why they're optimistic, others have responded with why they're skeptical. I love the new models, but without evidence that they're getting significant rules buffs I don't see why we should think xenos are getting comparable treatment to Marines.

What, are you expecting sycophancy? I love [Product]! I can't wait to purchase [Product]! [Corporation] is the best!
   
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 catbarf wrote:
Sentineil wrote:Well this was a fun thread. Positive vibes lasted all of 3 posts.

GG Dakka!


BrianDavion wrote:this place really has become a pit of negativity


Well, sorry not everyone has an unreservedly positive take without caveats. OP gave their reasons for why they're optimistic, others have responded with why they're skeptical. I love the new models, but without evidence that they're getting significant rules buffs I don't see why we should think xenos are getting comparable treatment to Marines.

What, are you expecting sycophancy? I love [Product]! I can't wait to purchase [Product]! [Corporation] is the best!


I dunno cautious optimism? a wait and see additude? something other then... "feth MARINES! I HATE MARINES! LOOK AT WHAT MARINES GET!"

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BrianDavion wrote:
I dunno cautious optimism? a wait and see additude? something other then... "feth MARINES! I HATE MARINES! LOOK AT WHAT MARINES GET!"


Funny thing, I just went and reread the thread and nobody posted that, just reasoned arguments for why total positivity is currently unwarranted. I'm actually cautiously optimistic, personally.

In fact, nobody's said that the game's awful, or that GW can't fix things, or that it can't possibly get better, or that everything about Necrons sucks. So if people expressing skepticism based on prior events and current information makes this forum a 'pit of negativity', it rather sounds like you're just expecting mindless, unwarranted praise.

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Some of them look really good, others are just silly imo. They went too far with the space egyptian theme so I'll stick with stuff like the flayed ones. None of the recent releases make me feel optimistic but it doesn't matter because there's a massive pile of old stuff to take up my time.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
 catbarf wrote:
Sentineil wrote:Well this was a fun thread. Positive vibes lasted all of 3 posts.

GG Dakka!


BrianDavion wrote:this place really has become a pit of negativity


Well, sorry not everyone has an unreservedly positive take without caveats. OP gave their reasons for why they're optimistic, others have responded with why they're skeptical. I love the new models, but without evidence that they're getting significant rules buffs I don't see why we should think xenos are getting comparable treatment to Marines.

What, are you expecting sycophancy? I love [Product]! I can't wait to purchase [Product]! [Corporation] is the best!


I dunno cautious optimism? a wait and see additude? something other then... "feth MARINES! I HATE MARINES! LOOK AT WHAT MARINES GET!"


Hello Brian, I'm a cautiously optimistic guy who's been patiently watching for releases ever since the start of 7th edition.
I've been positively hyped for the MASSIVE release of ORKTOBER only to be burnt as they release 5 unwanted buggy casts.

I've sat around for Psychic awakening, super excited for Ghazzy and to see where his lore brings Primorks in line, because after all, the Space Marines and other factions had all been getting super strong leaders (primarchs) so Ghazzy would be just as great, right? Wrong. He got his head chopped off by sum daft furry.

All during this, my other factions I play received literal reprints of rules ( Inquisition ), nothing at all ( Necrons, now changing thankfully ) while each PA released something new for Marines, not to mention the constant cycle of new primaris units that each hammer home how bad your basic units are.

Orks once had a unique rule called Dakka Dakka Dakka, we loved it. Hell yeah! Only to see Marines get a better and more functional version of it ( Imperial Fists etc ) while ours was now worse.
Orks once had super unique statlines, nobs with 2 wounds and slightly tankier. Hell yeah! Only to see marines get a better and more functional version of it ( Intercessors / sgts with thunder hammers ).
Orks once had awesome Meganobz! While they weren't really strong, they at least had a unique statline compared to... You guessed it, marines. But now their terminators have 3 wounds, better bs and can deepstrike for probably the same amount of points! Looks like that faction has better versions of what we had again. Yay.
Orks once had volume of attacks, but now a basic primaris now has as many attacks as and Ork Boy and with up to two extra AP to boot! While also getting to reroll every die, +1 to wound and or exploding, auto hitting 6's. Another better version of the Goff trait. Hell yeah.
Buggies? Outclassed by ATV. Bikers? Outclassed by Primaris Bikers. Warboss? Outclassed by Captain; while we also lose the iconic options of Mega-Armored Warboss, Bikerboss, Biker madboys etc.


You see the trend? This is painful, I've waited around 3-4 years to see something change. I've waited around for 3-4 years for a sign that my passion and naive hope wasn't misplaced, but there's been nothing. We get OrKtoBeR, we get "We see you crying Xenos players" and we get told "Be happy [ unrelated, non marine faction ] is getting 1 new model!". The time for naive positivity has passed, let me post sarcastically on forums because that's the only content I have left to offer.

This endless cacophony of [ reason you play x faction ] being shifted to what is essentially, dudes on steroids in suits just hurts man. So next time you see why people complain about marines, understand that we *have* waited patiently and we *have* been optimistic.

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I am 99% sure necrons will not be as good as marines. As others have said, the new units have mediocre rules, so far. We need to wait for the codex, but i am not optimistic.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
I dunno cautious optimism? a wait and see additude? something other then... "feth MARINES! I HATE MARINES! LOOK AT WHAT MARINES GET!"


Humans have a sense of fairness. When marines get releases that vastly outstrip other factions in volume and substantially outstrip them in power level, it seems *unfair.*
   
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Hecaton wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I dunno cautious optimism? a wait and see additude? something other then... "feth MARINES! I HATE MARINES! LOOK AT WHAT MARINES GET!"


Humans have a sense of fairness. When marines get releases that vastly outstrip other factions in volume and substantially outstrip them in power level, it seems *unfair.*


Whats unfair is someone took the effort to make a post to discuss the new necrons, possibilities of other xenos releases and within minutes the same people every time wade in bitching about marines. It's off topic, its nothing to do with what the OP set out to accomplish.

To paraphrase "I have hopes for xenos armies getting big releases" should not be followed by "marines get too much and are too powerful".

What is also unfair is that seemingly those same people can't be happy that any army gets anything unless it meets the criteria of being 1. more competitive than space marines & 2. Not being withing 6 months of a marine release.

Virtually every single 40k topic recently gets a slew of gw/marine bashing for no reason and you know whats more boring that marine releases? People whining about them in every single thread. Every single day.
   
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Dudeface wrote:


What is also unfair is that seemingly those same people can't be happy that any army gets anything unless it meets the criteria of being 1. more competitive than space marines & 2. Not being withing 6 months of a marine release.
.


and 3. "is an army they play"



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BrianDavion wrote:
Dudeface wrote:


What is also unfair is that seemingly those same people can't be happy that any army gets anything unless it meets the criteria of being 1. more competitive than space marines & 2. Not being withing 6 months of a marine release.
.


and 3. "is an army they play"




Very true, seems we need to add obligatory boycott of something they know little about as well.
   
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Dudeface wrote:
Hecaton wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I dunno cautious optimism? a wait and see additude? something other then... "feth MARINES! I HATE MARINES! LOOK AT WHAT MARINES GET!"


Humans have a sense of fairness. When marines get releases that vastly outstrip other factions in volume and substantially outstrip them in power level, it seems *unfair.*


Whats unfair is someone took the effort to make a post to discuss the new necrons, possibilities of other xenos releases and within minutes the same people every time wade in bitching about marines. It's off topic, its nothing to do with what the OP set out to accomplish.

To paraphrase "I have hopes for xenos armies getting big releases" should not be followed by "marines get too much and are too powerful".

What is also unfair is that seemingly those same people can't be happy that any army gets anything unless it meets the criteria of being 1. more competitive than space marines & 2. Not being withing 6 months of a marine release.

Virtually every single 40k topic recently gets a slew of gw/marine bashing for no reason and you know whats more boring that marine releases? People whining about them in every single thread. Every single day.


Again, you're getting angry at non-Astartes paypigs for having the temerity to have self-respect. You're not being fair; you're supporting an unfair paradigm and then getting mad when people don't support it.

This is a game in which no faction exists in a vacuum (even if GW thinks Astartes do). Everything a faction has is relative to others. And Necrons, who used to be this scary implacable threat, more than a match for Astartes, have been reduced to yet another canon fodder faction in the face of the relentless drive to make Astartes the biggest wish fulfillment faction for intellectually lazy hobbylets.
   
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Hecaton wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Hecaton wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I dunno cautious optimism? a wait and see additude? something other then... "feth MARINES! I HATE MARINES! LOOK AT WHAT MARINES GET!"


Humans have a sense of fairness. When marines get releases that vastly outstrip other factions in volume and substantially outstrip them in power level, it seems *unfair.*


Whats unfair is someone took the effort to make a post to discuss the new necrons, possibilities of other xenos releases and within minutes the same people every time wade in bitching about marines. It's off topic, its nothing to do with what the OP set out to accomplish.

To paraphrase "I have hopes for xenos armies getting big releases" should not be followed by "marines get too much and are too powerful".

What is also unfair is that seemingly those same people can't be happy that any army gets anything unless it meets the criteria of being 1. more competitive than space marines & 2. Not being withing 6 months of a marine release.

Virtually every single 40k topic recently gets a slew of gw/marine bashing for no reason and you know whats more boring that marine releases? People whining about them in every single thread. Every single day.


Again, you're getting angry at non-Astartes paypigs for having the temerity to have self-respect. You're not being fair; you're supporting an unfair paradigm and then getting mad when people don't support it.

This is a game in which no faction exists in a vacuum (even if GW thinks Astartes do). Everything a faction has is relative to others. And Necrons, who used to be this scary implacable threat, more than a match for Astartes, have been reduced to yet another canon fodder faction in the face of the relentless drive to make Astartes the biggest wish fulfillment faction for intellectually lazy hobbylets.


You mistake self respect for arrogance. If you had self respect you'd speak the virtues of the army you play, you'd rebute those dragging them down. You'd set an example to others for them to aspire to.

What part of being a good self respecting <faction> player involves whining about another person's collection/passion, or smearing complaints over threads set out to encourage talking positively about stuff that isn't marines.

   
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Dudeface wrote:
You mistake self respect for arrogance. If you had self respect you'd speak the virtues of the army you play, you'd rebute those dragging them down. You'd set an example to others for them to aspire to.


Nah. Sometimes armies are overpowered, and it's not a sin to mention it. Also, sometimes a certain part of an IP can be focused on to the detriment of the whole. The way GW treats Astartes is like how WWE treated John Cena in his prime, and the whole product suffers for it.

Dudeface wrote:
What part of being a good self respecting <faction> player involves whining about another person's collection/passion, or smearing complaints over threads set out to encourage talking positively about stuff that isn't marines.



It's because it's obfuscating from the real problem, which is that marines get so many releases that it is insulting to people who play other factions, and they are overpowered, seemingly by design.
   
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 Eonfuzz wrote:
Self Respect is obeying overlords and consuming. Consume. Consume.

I love ${product.name}! I can't wait to purchase ${product.name}! ${corporation.name} is the best!


"I don't like marines, you like space marines you're a ${internet.insult} if you think differently about ${pointless.whine}."

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Dudeface wrote:
 Eonfuzz wrote:
Self Respect is obeying overlords and consuming. Consume. Consume.

I love ${product.name}! I can't wait to purchase ${product.name}! ${corporation.name} is the best!


"I don't like marines, you like space marines you're a ${internet.insult} if you think differently about ${pointless.whine}."

Run.SelfPatOnBack
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Complain as people do, I don't believe there's been any insults thrown around here (Aside from that one jab at Karol), and implying that there has been is disingenuous at best.

Dudeface wrote:

You mistake self respect for arrogance. If you had self respect you'd speak the virtues of the army you play, you'd rebute those dragging them down. You'd set an example to others for them to aspire to.

What part of being a good self respecting <faction> player involves whining about another person's collection/passion, or smearing complaints over threads set out to encourage talking positively about stuff that isn't marines.



I'm glad to hear you can enjoy your hobby, but it sounds like you're taking things personally, maybe it's time to take a step back and breathe in. People being upset at ${company.name} for releasing ${product.name} has nothing to do with you as a consumer.
   
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 Eonfuzz wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
 Eonfuzz wrote:
Self Respect is obeying overlords and consuming. Consume. Consume.

I love ${product.name}! I can't wait to purchase ${product.name}! ${corporation.name} is the best!


"I don't like marines, you like space marines you're a ${internet.insult} if you think differently about ${pointless.whine}."

Run.SelfPatOnBack
Run.AwardSelfInternetPoints


Complain as people do, I don't believe there's been any insults thrown around here (Aside from that one jab at Karol), and implying that there has been is disingenuous at best.

Dudeface wrote:

You mistake self respect for arrogance. If you had self respect you'd speak the virtues of the army you play, you'd rebute those dragging them down. You'd set an example to others for them to aspire to.

What part of being a good self respecting <faction> player involves whining about another person's collection/passion, or smearing complaints over threads set out to encourage talking positively about stuff that isn't marines.



I'm glad to hear you can enjoy your hobby, but it sounds like you're taking things personally, maybe it's time to take a step back and breathe in. People being upset at ${company.name} for releasing ${product.name} has nothing to do with you as a consumer.


itg does when you have to hijack literally every post on the fourm.

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 Eonfuzz wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
 Eonfuzz wrote:
Self Respect is obeying overlords and consuming. Consume. Consume.

I love ${product.name}! I can't wait to purchase ${product.name}! ${corporation.name} is the best!


"I don't like marines, you like space marines you're a ${internet.insult} if you think differently about ${pointless.whine}."

Run.SelfPatOnBack
Run.AwardSelfInternetPoints


Complain as people do, I don't believe there's been any insults thrown around here (Aside from that one jab at Karol), and implying that there has been is disingenuous at best.

Dudeface wrote:

You mistake self respect for arrogance. If you had self respect you'd speak the virtues of the army you play, you'd rebute those dragging them down. You'd set an example to others for them to aspire to.

What part of being a good self respecting <faction> player involves whining about another person's collection/passion, or smearing complaints over threads set out to encourage talking positively about stuff that isn't marines.



I'm glad to hear you can enjoy your hobby, but it sounds like you're taking things personally, maybe it's time to take a step back and breathe in. People being upset at ${company.name} for releasing ${product.name} has nothing to do with you as a consumer.


You're quite right, I am upset. I'm fed up people acting like filling the forum with the same persistent complaints over and over is a worthwhile act.

I'm personally on the cusp of just moving away from the site because I'm fed up of everything breaking down into a marine complaint and the complainers acting like they deserve a medal for fighting the good fight. I'm fairly sure other people are as well, because it makes for an unpleasant read.
   
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Dudeface wrote:
 Eonfuzz wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
 Eonfuzz wrote:
Self Respect is obeying overlords and consuming. Consume. Consume.

I love ${product.name}! I can't wait to purchase ${product.name}! ${corporation.name} is the best!


"I don't like marines, you like space marines you're a ${internet.insult} if you think differently about ${pointless.whine}."

Run.SelfPatOnBack
Run.AwardSelfInternetPoints


Complain as people do, I don't believe there's been any insults thrown around here (Aside from that one jab at Karol), and implying that there has been is disingenuous at best.

Dudeface wrote:

You mistake self respect for arrogance. If you had self respect you'd speak the virtues of the army you play, you'd rebute those dragging them down. You'd set an example to others for them to aspire to.

What part of being a good self respecting <faction> player involves whining about another person's collection/passion, or smearing complaints over threads set out to encourage talking positively about stuff that isn't marines.



I'm glad to hear you can enjoy your hobby, but it sounds like you're taking things personally, maybe it's time to take a step back and breathe in. People being upset at ${company.name} for releasing ${product.name} has nothing to do with you as a consumer.


You're quite right, I am upset. I'm fed up people acting like filling the forum with the same persistent complaints over and over is a worthwhile act.

I'm personally on the cusp of just moving away from the site because I'm fed up of everything breaking down into a marine complaint and the complainers acting like they deserve a medal for fighting the good fight. I'm fairly sure other people are as well, because it makes for an unpleasant read.


I wonder if B&C has these problems?

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Dudeface wrote:

I'm personally on the cusp of just moving away from the site because I'm fed up of everything breaking down into a marine complaint and the complainers acting like they deserve a medal for fighting the good fight. I'm fairly sure other people are as well, because it makes for an unpleasant read.


I hear you. The problem is though, that the mistakes? GW made that causes these complaints have been repeated ad infinatum the last 2 years.
Essentially we're all on the same side. People just want a fun hobby / lore / game, and here the problem is... everyone has fun differently.

To some, this isn't fun. The game has been stale and one sided for the better part of a year, the lore has been stale and one sided for the better part of half the decade, and the hobby has been stale unless you collected GSC, Marines, Sisters and or Chaos. Us talking about this as a problem isn't to bash you down, to make you hate the hobby or even worse - drive you out. People are complaining to be heard by Games Workshop.

Honestly, the biggest shame is that the company itself hasn't responded to any of this, despite being in "The age of communication". All they have to do is be like "Yeah look, sorry about this but we're trying our best!".


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BrianDavion wrote:

I wonder if B&C has these problems?


Last time I looked B&C had a little of them.
Their target market is a bit more casual / fluffy though, so if you care about the game more so than the models - it doesn't exactly have the content you are after.

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Complain as people do, I don't believe there's been any insults thrown around here (Aside from that one jab at Karol), and implying that there has been is disingenuous at best.


I Believe:

wish fulfillment faction for intellectually lazy hobbylets.


is intended as an insult at anyone who likes marines. If that is not how it was intended it should perhaps be worded clearer.

Frankly I agree that just about every 40k thread these days on Dakka devolves into hate spiel about marines in some fashion or other. I also have been thinking about moving on to other places to talk online about my hobby. Because Dakka is becoming like the Karen at work who is constantly telling you all of her entirely too personal problems.

Essentially we're all on the same side. People just want a fun hobby / lore / game, and here the problem is... everyone has fun differently.

To some, this isn't fun. The game has been stale and one sided for the better part of a year, the lore has been stale and one sided for the better part of half the decade, and the hobby has been stale unless you collected GSC, Marines, Sisters and or Chaos. Us talking about this as a problem isn't to bash you down, to make you hate the hobby or even worse - drive you out. People are complaining to be heard by Games Workshop.


But your not complaining to them. Your complaining to your fellow gamers/hobbiests. And frankly, its old. The fact that the bunch of you come into a thread that is clearly, 'please leave your personal marine hate outside' and spew more vitriol about marines shows that you have no respect for your fellows.
   
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Tiberias wrote:
I am not a necron player, but I am really impressed with the design quality and volume of the new necron releases. It's really cool and refreshing to see a xenos faction get so much attention and have their range massively expanded. Also most of the new kits really do look fantastic, at least imo.

Which brings me to the main point of this post. I think this necron release is grounds for optimism that gw is able and willing to give love to xenos factions.
I for one am optimistic, that we are going to see a massive overhaul of craftworlds in the not so distant future, maybe even in 2021, which is extremely overdue.



Undoubtedly you're seeing what will eventually happen to all of the Xenos races. It's "hip" to be "mad" about marines right now, but the Necron scults and last years new chaos sculpts, in conjunction with the Sisters Revamp + The release of the Full GSC line from a year and a half ago shows that things aren't as bad as a lot of people would have you believe.

I'd expect to see Orcs/Eldar at the minimum in the next 15 months.


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Justyn wrote:
Complain as people do, I don't believe there's been any insults thrown around here (Aside from that one jab at Karol), and implying that there has been is disingenuous at best.


I Believe:

wish fulfillment faction for intellectually lazy hobbylets.


is intended as an insult at anyone who likes marines. If that is not how it was intended it should perhaps be worded clearer.

Frankly I agree that just about every 40k thread these days on Dakka devolves into hate spiel about marines in some fashion or other. I also have been thinking about moving on to other places to talk online about my hobby. Because Dakka is becoming like the Karen at work who is constantly telling you all of her entirely too personal problems.

Essentially we're all on the same side. People just want a fun hobby / lore / game, and here the problem is... everyone has fun differently.

To some, this isn't fun. The game has been stale and one sided for the better part of a year, the lore has been stale and one sided for the better part of half the decade, and the hobby has been stale unless you collected GSC, Marines, Sisters and or Chaos. Us talking about this as a problem isn't to bash you down, to make you hate the hobby or even worse - drive you out. People are complaining to be heard by Games Workshop.


But your not complaining to them. Your complaining to your fellow gamers/hobbiests. And frankly, its old. The fact that the bunch of you come into a thread that is clearly, 'please leave your personal marine hate outside' and spew more vitriol about marines shows that you have no respect for your fellows.


THANK. YOU.

Sincerely.

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 Togusa wrote:
Tiberias wrote:
I am not a necron player, but I am really impressed with the design quality and volume of the new necron releases. It's really cool and refreshing to see a xenos faction get so much attention and have their range massively expanded. Also most of the new kits really do look fantastic, at least imo.

Which brings me to the main point of this post. I think this necron release is grounds for optimism that gw is able and willing to give love to xenos factions.
I for one am optimistic, that we are going to see a massive overhaul of craftworlds in the not so distant future, maybe even in 2021, which is extremely overdue.



Undoubtedly you're seeing what will eventually happen to all of the Xenos races. It's "hip" to be "mad" about marines right now, but the Necron scults and last years new chaos sculpts, in conjunction with the Sisters Revamp + The release of the Full GSC line from a year and a half ago shows that things aren't as bad as a lot of people would have you believe.

I'd expect to see Orcs/Eldar at the minimum in the next 15 months.


There's not much of the ork line left to visit, boyz if they want to price people out the army, kommandos, tankbustas, deff koptaz and some hq's. Everything else isn't that old or is at the very least serviceable.

1 dual kit infantry box for the elites, 1 box of koptaz, 2-3 hqs and they're doing OK.
   
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I'd prefer to see Orks/Guard myself. Then Tau/DE.
   
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Justyn wrote:
Complain as people do, I don't believe there's been any insults thrown around here (Aside from that one jab at Karol), and implying that there has been is disingenuous at best.


I Believe:

wish fulfillment faction for intellectually lazy hobbylets.


is intended as an insult at anyone who likes marines. If that is not how it was intended it should perhaps be worded clearer.

Frankly I agree that just about every 40k thread these days on Dakka devolves into hate spiel about marines in some fashion or other. I also have been thinking about moving on to other places to talk online about my hobby. Because Dakka is becoming like the Karen at work who is constantly telling you all of her entirely too personal problems.

Essentially we're all on the same side. People just want a fun hobby / lore / game, and here the problem is... everyone has fun differently.

To some, this isn't fun. The game has been stale and one sided for the better part of a year, the lore has been stale and one sided for the better part of half the decade, and the hobby has been stale unless you collected GSC, Marines, Sisters and or Chaos. Us talking about this as a problem isn't to bash you down, to make you hate the hobby or even worse - drive you out. People are complaining to be heard by Games Workshop.


But your not complaining to them. Your complaining to your fellow gamers/hobbiests. And frankly, its old. The fact that the bunch of you come into a thread that is clearly, 'please leave your personal marine hate outside' and spew more vitriol about marines shows that you have no respect for your fellows.


+1
   
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 Eonfuzz wrote:
Dudeface wrote:

I'm personally on the cusp of just moving away from the site because I'm fed up of everything breaking down into a marine complaint and the complainers acting like they deserve a medal for fighting the good fight. I'm fairly sure other people are as well, because it makes for an unpleasant read.


I hear you. The problem is though, that the mistakes? GW made that causes these complaints have been repeated ad infinatum the last 2 years.
Essentially we're all on the same side. People just want a fun hobby / lore / game, and here the problem is... everyone has fun differently.

To some, this isn't fun. The game has been stale and one sided for the better part of a year, the lore has been stale and one sided for the better part of half the decade, and the hobby has been stale unless you collected GSC, Marines, Sisters and or Chaos. Us talking about this as a problem isn't to bash you down, to make you hate the hobby or even worse - drive you out. People are complaining to be heard by Games Workshop.

Honestly, the biggest shame is that the company itself hasn't responded to any of this, despite being in "The age of communication". All they have to do is be like "Yeah look, sorry about this but we're trying our best!".


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BrianDavion wrote:

I wonder if B&C has these problems?


Last time I looked B&C had a little of them.
Their target market is a bit more casual / fluffy though, so if you care about the game more so than the models - it doesn't exactly have the content you are after.


Do people really expect the new CEO to come in with a magic wand and fix the problems of Old GW in a single year? Or even in 5 years?

Let's see.

Death Watch, 1K Sons, New Chaos Deamons for multiple Gods. Half a dozen new AoS Factions. Primaris Marines. Death Guard, THREE PRIMARCHS. Death Watch, GSC, New Eldar Banshees and Jain Zhar. Entire revamp of the Necron Range. Entire Revamp of the Sisters Range. Adeptus Custodians full army release. Adeptus Titanicus. Aeronautica Imperailis. Massive updates to official terrain kits, huge expansions to the rules and a complete and fundamental shift to the way the game is played. Twice. Orks got some sick new cars and a new character, and there is more on the way for all of these factions and games. Return of Blood Bowl. Return of Necromunda. Kill Team. THEY'RE EVEN BRINGING BACK THE OLD WORLD FOR PEOPLE WHO COMPLAINED.

But yeah, it's just been marines. None of that other stuff exists at all right? It's all fantasy.

As one other poster said, this gak is the reason I rarely post here anymore. It's like people who cry about Trump.

We all hear you. We've been hearing you. There isn't anything that can be done right now. So. Just. Chill.

Patience is a virtue.


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Justyn wrote:
I'd prefer to see Orks/Guard myself. Then Tau/DE.


My hope is for a mixed boxset of Guard (Catachans, New Sculpts) and Tyranids. I think it's coming.

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Ok, since this is starting to become a dumpster fire again, I'll reiterate.
The point of this thread was to at least try to spread some optimism that, when necrons can get such a big release and overhaul, other xenos factions like craftworlds can and probably will get that same treatment.

I honestly do not understand how these threads always devolve into how marines are op, I wasn't even talking about rules.

Also saying that GW has done something good isn't automatically shilling for the company. You can say positive things about a company and be very critical about other aspects at the same time.

I hate the false sense of scarcity with which they advertise their products and I will never forgive GW for AoS and how they handled the end times. But even I have to admit that most of the new AoS sculpts are spectacular for example.
It's almost never just black and white.
   
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I don't play Necrons, and likely never will. But those models, some of them are destined for my shelf. They look awesome. Mostly the creepy looking ones like the big Quadruped.


THEY'RE EVEN BRINGING BACK THE OLD WORLD FOR PEOPLE WHO COMPLAINED.


REMEMBER BRETONNIA!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, wtf are my Bretonnians.
   
 
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