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mrFickle wrote:
Voss wrote:
'Surviving,' I assume, having the meaning of 'not dead yet.'

We don't have much about what's going on in the other half. We know vaguely that at the end of the Devastation of Baal, Roboute showed up, polished off some needs after daemons got bored of jumping up and down on them, gave Dante a bunch of Primaris as replacements and said, 'Well, you get the job of fixing this half of the galaxy, have fun.' And swanned off again.


Blood angles aren’t the only SM chapter on that side of the galaxy, just the only one worth writing on a map. Typical GW though to Rio the galaxy in half and only talk about half of it.

Unless we are going to find out that the dark imperium is now largely under ork and necron control. That will be mega. Chaos sitting in the great rift watching xenos do their work for them.

However I doubt GW will ever commit to having the empire suffer such losses. Wasn’t the indomitus crusade put in place to bring the sanctity of the empire back to the dark imperium, therefore I think that battle has already been won.

Nope. Indomitus Crusade was specifically for the southern half of the galaxy (Imperium Sanctus, or whatever).

And at the start of 8th edition, the background material and novels brought Indomitus to the end, reached out to the BA, and Ultras fought Death Guard in Ultramar. (basically Great Rift opens +100 or so years)
Now at the start of 9th edition, Dawn of Fire is rolling back to the beginning of the Indomitus Crusade and the story is, for some reason, carrying on from there. The Necron Pariah Nexus is towards the beginning of Indomitus, At the start of Indomitus only the basic Primaris units exist (intercessors, hellblasters, aggressors, inceptors), though the tanks were in a background shot.

For the BA, their battle against the nids happened as the Great Rift opened, so they're entirely unaware of everything- 75% of the chapter and all their successors were killed (and replaced with primaris when Roboute drives by and slaps Dante with more responsibility), but they were behind a warpstorm's timey/whimey nonsense, so the 'Indomitus century' basically passed by without their knowledge.

Its very confusing as to what exists and what the 'real' current state of things is. In theory, there shouldn't be any major Imperium developments beyond 'secure the southern galaxy' for the next 100 years (because we already got a glance at what happens at the end). So if the Lion or the Wolf do show up, it seems unclear as to when that would happen. If they don't show up that's fine, beyond Wolf and Angel players grumbling about Roboute existing when 'their guys' don't.

Abaddon seems to have achieved his goals, but... doesn't seem to do anything with them?
The Ynnari are thing, but that has gone anywhere.
The effect on tyranids or orks or what have you is kind of a shrug.
Necrons are doing their own thing, and the Pariah nexus(es) now seem super important, but apparently weren't so important at the end of the Indomitus Crusade we already saw.

Its just.. puzzling.

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 Overread wrote:
But in the grand scheme of things losing a planet in the Imperium means nothing. They lose more worlds through administrative errors; Navigators Guild tiffs and spats and through general mismanagement. Heck lore states that they basically forgot about the Tau world for generations.
Of course the planet itself is irrelevant to the Imperium. But if, for example, you tell me the story of Bob the guardsman who's hoping to save his childhood home from xeno invaders, I have a reason to care about that dumb planet anyway.

In the end I think one has to agree to disagree when it comes to story direction. GW has made a choice to make changes in the lore and advance things. I think you either have to get on board with their vision or agree its not your vision. Plus GW has already got loads of stories of smaller victories and losses and battles and characters
Oh, I don't mind the story advancing at all. The problem is that I doubt it's actually advancing. Sure we keep hearing about all those apocalyptic things that are coming, the Imperium is doomed etc. But is it ever going to actually happen?

This discussion started with the Golden Throne, so do you honestly think it's really going to fail? Is the Emperor finally going to kick the bucket? Do you think GW will actually write the fall of the Imperium of Man? Or go the opposite route and let it have a renaissance into something else? Either option could be grandiose, but I really don't see that happening in my lifetime. I could be wrong, of course, but I won't be holding my breath on this one.
   
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I think GW's in a good place right now actually. we've got a big chunk of time in the Indomatus crusade, and GW can flesh it out. this is a good thing.

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BrianDavion wrote:
I think GW's in a good place right now actually. we've got a big chunk of time in the Indomatus crusade, and GW can flesh it out. this is a good thing.

It's not as though there weren't thousands of years of history which could be fleshed out already though...
   
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I think GW's in a good place right now actually. we've got a big chunk of time in the Indomatus crusade, and GW can flesh it out. this is a good thing.

It's not as though there weren't thousands of years of history which could be fleshed out already though...


No thanks. We already know what every Primarch was doing every hour of every day during the Heresy; that’s enough for me, at least.

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 Lord Damocles wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I think GW's in a good place right now actually. we've got a big chunk of time in the Indomatus crusade, and GW can flesh it out. this is a good thing.

It's not as though there weren't thousands of years of history which could be fleshed out already though...


Consider the amount of complaints from Xenos players they don't get eneugh attention, consider how much worse that would be if GW came out and said "So we're gonna focus on M.38 for the next ten years real time!" Tau, 'cron and 'nid fans would be.... less the thrilled

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Yeah for the longest time the Imperium only really had to worry about Orks and Eldar as major Xenos players. Unless you go WAY back to before the Horus Heresy and do the founding of the Imperium itself. Which granted would have a lot more Xenos and a weaker Imperium, but would also be a total shift. From almost post-apoc gothic to high tech gothic when technology wasn't banned; when the Emperior was alive and when basically the story is "Everyone fights, but Imperium ALWAYS wins in the end at driving back the vile xenos. Also no chaos either.


The 41st Millennium is where the core game will remain. GW could try and push for the 42nd, but Warhammer 41 and 41K would be a vast marketing undertaking for them and weaken 30-40 years of "40K" marketing.

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I like the take that privateer press took, regarding story telling and timelines. Several characters changed / evolved / died and still can be played in every iteration on the tabletop. (at least that was the way they did it several years ago, when I still played WM/H)

GWs storyline isn't crucial for the game, that I'm going to play tomorrow. If I want to do story driven games, I'll have to take a look at GWs pace of narration, but in any regular game it's completely irrelevant (at least for me) if GW killed my named char in their last book or not... (as long as the rules are still updated and officially usable)
   
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on the forum. Obviously

Hasn't the Golden Throne been failing for a while? I remember reading that in like 6th ed.

Its just something GW threw in to add a bit more tension, its never actually going to fail because if it does the Imperium (and therefore Space Marines, GW's poster boys) goes with it.


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BrianDavion wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I think GW's in a good place right now actually. we've got a big chunk of time in the Indomatus crusade, and GW can flesh it out. this is a good thing.

It's not as though there weren't thousands of years of history which could be fleshed out already though...


Consider the amount of complaints from Xenos players they don't get eneugh attention, consider how much worse that would be if GW came out and said "So we're gonna focus on M.38 for the next ten years real time!" Tau, 'cron and 'nid fans would be.... less the thrilled


Don't tell Lizardmen and elf players about the new Warhammer Fantasy setting coming out then, I don't think they'd be happy

Honestly, I can see GW putting out WH38k and expect people to buy whole new armies go with it. This would also extend to Imperial Players, because I don't think the Imperial Guard were the same in 38k? Didn't they have different equipment? Likewise for Marines.

Necrons would still be around though, they were always active, just not as much as in 40k.

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Yeah but you're going back to "here's a halfdozen warriors who woke up" rather than "here's a dynasty awakening and waging war".


It would work for a skirmish game or character narrative game (like the Quest games); but it wouldn't work as a wargame.

Tau would technically be active and just super unimportant whilst Tyranids might have the odd Space Hulk and such. Again small teams and minor elements that at the hallmarks of the future.


40K is where the major wars and battles are against these Xenos.

Story wise honestly GW can likely go all the way to the 49th millennium and still call it "40K"

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on the forum. Obviously

That's not actually a bad idea. Release a small scale skirmish game set in the 38th millenium and use it to expand some of the lore, maybe some new models with the intention of making a reappearance in 40k.

Like, you release a necron model that's like a mini-boss, and later on you release a whole unit of them in 40k.

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