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The sisters Rhino is more but it comes with a big sprue for sisters extras added to Rhinos. If you can get any other Rhinos cheap I'd say get one of the sisters and just use the bits to Sister up the Rhinos you have, at least that is what I did. The added cost isn't cool but the extra bits can be nice if you needed just one more but had some other Rhino hulls to pretty up.
The Razorback is not chapter specific.
It does have a fancy sprue filled with Sisters goodies, but so does every other Rhino kit have a sprue with their factions options.
I think I was mixing up the Razorback and Baal Predator.
Well look at the actual sprue, it has a lot on it. I'm not saying its great value but you can get a lot of bits from it. So pick up some cheap rhinos and one of those sisters rhino kits and you should have plenty to really sisters out your stuff on the easy.
True enough. And you get the extra faction sprues on the side to use or sell.
The sisters Rhino is more but it comes with a big sprue for sisters extras added to Rhinos. If you can get any other Rhinos cheap I'd say get one of the sisters and just use the bits to Sister up the Rhinos you have, at least that is what I did. The added cost isn't cool but the extra bits can be nice if you needed just one more but had some other Rhino hulls to pretty up.
The Razorback is not chapter specific.
It does have a fancy sprue filled with Sisters goodies, but so does every other Rhino kit have a sprue with their factions options.
I think I was mixing up the Razorback and Baal Predator.
Well look at the actual sprue, it has a lot on it. I'm not saying its great value but you can get a lot of bits from it. So pick up some cheap rhinos and one of those sisters rhino kits and you should have plenty to really sisters out your stuff on the easy. At least that is what I'd say to a sisters player, I didn't like the uptick in cost either until I just figured I'd take some good from the bad with it.
That works. I've used the parts from the Chaos Vehicle sprue that comes with the Chaos Rhino on a LOT of other models besides the actual Rhinos.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Hmmm. The Cultists of the Abyss are now the only Cultists available in the CSM section. So it looks like those are the Cultists for CSM now. Is that new for this "update" of the website, or was it already the case and I just missed it? Either way, it means equipment changes for Cultists will be coming, considering gw's "models = rules" policy.
Unfortunately, that's been the case for a while now. Probably since shortly after the BSF expansion with them released.
Even further GWBS, you have to buy a minimum of 2 boxes to get a minimum squad of Cultists if you wanted to proxy them.
On top of all that, they don't include any Cultists with Autopistol and Brutal CCW. Even the Champion technically has a Stub Carbine and Chainsword (neither of which normal Cultists can take, even the Cultist Champion), not an Autopistol and Brutal CCW. So that option has to be entirely proxied.
That works. I've used the parts from the Chaos Vehicle sprue that comes with the Chaos Rhino on a LOT of other models besides the actual Rhinos.
Yeah, I hear that. It still reflects terribly on them from my point of view, but at least you can use the one sprue on a number of vehicles or scratch built Sisters terrain. I certainly plan to with the Chaos one. Rhinos really only need a bit of iconography to make it obvious which faction they belong to, so the rest can go elsewhere.
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Well heres the thing with GW, it isn't usually if one of their kits is poorly set up for what you want but how badly set up it is. You always have to make lemonade out of lemons to one extent or another. At least with say the sisters rhino thing you can get your moneys worth out of it, as opposed to say if you wanted to get chain cannons for chaos havocs from that kit, no easy work around unless you look at third parties or forgeworld for however long forgeworld keeps making bits.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Hmmm. The Cultists of the Abyss are now the only Cultists available in the CSM section. So it looks like those are the Cultists for CSM now. Is that new for this "update" of the website, or was it already the case and I just missed it? Either way, it means equipment changes for Cultists will be coming, considering gw's "models = rules" policy.
Unfortunately, that's been the case for a while now. Probably since shortly after the BSF expansion with them released.
Even further GWBS, you have to buy a minimum of 2 boxes to get a minimum squad of Cultists if you wanted to proxy them.
On top of all that, they don't include any Cultists with Autopistol and Brutal CCW. Even the Champion technically has a Stub Carbine and Chainsword (neither of which normal Cultists can take, even the Cultist Champion), not an Autopistol and Brutal CCW. So that option has to be entirely proxied.
My point is that considering that those are the only cultists in the CSM section of GW's website, and they were represented in the recent SoB preview along with some CSM in the SoB stained glass artwork, that these are the models gw intends to sell as cultists from now on. If that's the case, then those now illegal loadouts will most likely become legal in the 9th edition CSM codex, because with gw: models = rules.
My point is that considering that those are the only cultists in the CSM section of GW's website, and they were represented in the recent SoB preview along with some CSM in the SoB stained glass artwork, that these are the models gw intends to sell as cultists from now on. If that's the case, then those now illegal loadouts will most likely become legal in the 9th edition CSM codex, because with gw: models = rules.
We can only hope. More likely, they'd introduce a new cultist set similar to the Cadian Shock Troops if they were going to expand the weapons options. Mainly because they are currently breaking their own rule by not having a melee cultist model for sale while melee cultists are still an option in the book. Then again, that hasn't stopped them from making it legal to have a SM Term Captain dual wield Power Fists with a Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher despite not having a right handed Power Fist or Power Fist Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher in any SM Term kit I've seen.
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SergentSilver wrote: Then again, that hasn't stopped them from making it legal to have a SM Term Captain dual wield Power Fists with a Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher despite not having a right handed Power Fist or Power Fist Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher in any SM Term kit I've seen.
Then again, that hasn't stopped them from making it legal to have a SM Term Captain dual wield Power Fists with a Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher despite not having a right handed Power Fist or Power Fist Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher in any SM Term kit I've seen.
From yesteryear.... (note the two on the left)
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SergentSilver wrote: Then again, that hasn't stopped them from making it legal to have a SM Term Captain dual wield Power Fists with a Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher despite not having a right handed Power Fist or Power Fist Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher in any SM Term kit I've seen.
Then again, that hasn't stopped them from making it legal to have a SM Term Captain dual wield Power Fists with a Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher despite not having a right handed Power Fist or Power Fist Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher in any SM Term kit I've seen.
From yesteryear.... (note the two on the left)
Well, those are indeed models I've never seen, or at least noticed in the case of the old metal models. Edit: Actually, is that the LE Term Captain you still see floating around eBay for $60-100? Something like a "store opening model" special? If it is, I've seen it, but always assumed the wrist-mounted weapon was a special Stormbolter/Power Fist combo like Calgar has.
On the other hand (pun intended ), I don't see any right handed Power Fists among those examples of the Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher.
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SergentSilver wrote: Then again, that hasn't stopped them from making it legal to have a SM Term Captain dual wield Power Fists with a Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher despite not having a right handed Power Fist or Power Fist Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher in any SM Term kit I've seen.
Then again, that hasn't stopped them from making it legal to have a SM Term Captain dual wield Power Fists with a Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher despite not having a right handed Power Fist or Power Fist Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher in any SM Term kit I've seen.
From yesteryear.... (note the two on the left)
Well, those are indeed models I've never seen, or at least noticed in the case of the old metal models. Edit: Actually, is that the LE Term Captain you still see floating around eBay for $60-100? Something like a "store opening model" special? If it is, I've seen it, but always assumed the wrist-mounted weapon was a special Stormbolter/Power Fist combo like Calgar has.
Yep.
SergentSilver wrote: On the other hand (pun intended ), I don't see any right handed Power Fists among those examples of the Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher.
SergentSilver wrote: Then again, that hasn't stopped them from making it legal to have a SM Term Captain dual wield Power Fists with a Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher despite not having a right handed Power Fist or Power Fist Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher in any SM Term kit I've seen.
Then again, that hasn't stopped them from making it legal to have a SM Term Captain dual wield Power Fists with a Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher despite not having a right handed Power Fist or Power Fist Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher in any SM Term kit I've seen.
From yesteryear.... (note the two on the left)
Well, those are indeed models I've never seen, or at least noticed in the case of the old metal models. Edit: Actually, is that the LE Term Captain you still see floating around eBay for $60-100? Something like a "store opening model" special? If it is, I've seen it, but always assumed the wrist-mounted weapon was a special Stormbolter/Power Fist combo like Calgar has.
Yep.
SergentSilver wrote: On the other hand (pun intended ), I don't see any right handed Power Fists among those examples of the Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher.
Wich hand the weapons in matters why?
Only because I was making the point that the rules allow you to take two close combat weapons, including replacing your Stormbolter with a Power Fist. The rules say:
• This model’s storm bolter can be replaced with one of the following: 1 combi-bolter; 1 lightning claw; 1 power fist; 1 thunder hammer; 1 storm shield (maximum 1 per model); 1 weapon from the Combi-weapons list.
• This model’s power sword can be replaced with one of the following: 1 chainfist; 1 lightning claw; 1 power axe; 1 power fist; 1 power maul; 1 relic blade; 1 thunder hammer; 1 storm shield (maximum 1 per model).
• If this model is equipped with 1 or more power fists, it can be equipped with 1 wrist-mounted grenade launcher.
I would like to see where they have a right handed Power Fist with Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher for those players who want a dual melee weapon built, but also want some kind of range as backup. Maybe they want a Power Fist with Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher and a Storm Shield (which is also never seen in the right hand) because they plan to Deep Strike/Teleport/etc. him into the enemy with a Term Assault Squad.
Their own policy is to not have rules for things which they have no model of. Granted that this rule was in response to a lot of units not having models way back, which allowed 3rd party producers to capitalize on GWs ideas because you can't copyright a model you haven't produced.
It irks me that they produce models with no options for units that have a ton of options. It's one thing if it's a box set like Indomitus, but entirely another when it's a separate model on their store. Can you imagine how upset many players would be if they released all the rules for Eradicators and Bladeguard Veterans to have all these options, then expected people to pay full price for exactly the same kit as was in Indomitus and the 9th Ed starters? People would never be able to play WYSIWYG with anything but the base options or heavy conversions. Can you imagine if GW did that across their entire line? Every box only builds exactly what you see in the box art, but has rules for a number of other options. Then they sprinkle LE versions with the other options here and there to justify those options. I mean, you can already see it to an extent with the Primaris Captains. The DI Captain has unique options even though he has yet to hit general production. Same with the Pariah Nexus Captain with Master Crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle. And the Indomitus Captain, though for now you can still get him in the starters.
And it's not like they haven't shown that they can make generic character models with all their options. Take the CSM Term Lord for example. He comes with his full selection, at least for the edition that kit was first produced. There may be some new things added that he doesn't have, but they can't use that excuse with models like the SM Term Captain. Effectively the same model for a different faction, with the same price, and 0 options included, despite having had numerous options since before he was a plastic kit. If you look closely at the CSM Term Lord kit, you'll notice that all the weapons are just slightly more detailed versions of the regular CSM Term kit. They've already shown that it can be done at the same price level, so they have no excuse for not doing it now. That they force in a DW upgrade sprue to justify the price is just the salt in the wound for anyone who doesn't play DW. If they're going to do that, they should at least make it a chapter upgrade sprue of your choice.
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SergentSilver wrote: Then again, that hasn't stopped them from making it legal to have a SM Term Captain dual wield Power Fists with a Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher despite not having a right handed Power Fist or Power Fist Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher in any SM Term kit I've seen.
Then again, that hasn't stopped them from making it legal to have a SM Term Captain dual wield Power Fists with a Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher despite not having a right handed Power Fist or Power Fist Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher in any SM Term kit I've seen.
From yesteryear.... (note the two on the left)
Well, those are indeed models I've never seen, or at least noticed in the case of the old metal models. Edit: Actually, is that the LE Term Captain you still see floating around eBay for $60-100? Something like a "store opening model" special? If it is, I've seen it, but always assumed the wrist-mounted weapon was a special Stormbolter/Power Fist combo like Calgar has.
Yep.
SergentSilver wrote: On the other hand (pun intended ), I don't see any right handed Power Fists among those examples of the Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher.
Wich hand the weapons in matters why?
Only because I was making the point that the rules allow you to take two close combat weapons, including replacing your Stormbolter with a Power Fist. The rules say:
• This model’s storm bolter can be replaced with one of the following: 1 combi-bolter; 1 lightning claw; 1 power fist; 1 thunder hammer; 1 storm shield (maximum 1 per model); 1 weapon from the Combi-weapons list.
• This model’s power sword can be replaced with one of the following: 1 chainfist; 1 lightning claw; 1 power axe; 1 power fist; 1 power maul; 1 relic blade; 1 thunder hammer; 1 storm shield (maximum 1 per model).
• If this model is equipped with 1 or more power fists, it can be equipped with 1 wrist-mounted grenade launcher.
I would like to see where they have a right handed Power Fist with Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher for those players who want a dual melee weapon built, but also want some kind of range as backup. Maybe they want a Power Fist with Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher and a Storm Shield (which is also never seen in the right hand) because they plan to Deep Strike/Teleport/etc. him into the enemy with a Term Assault Squad.
Their own policy is to not have rules for things which they have no model of. Granted that this rule was in response to a lot of units not having models way back, which allowed 3rd party producers to capitalize on GWs ideas because you can't copyright a model you haven't produced.
It irks me that they produce models with no options for units that have a ton of options. It's one thing if it's a box set like Indomitus, but entirely another when it's a separate model on their store. Can you imagine how upset many players would be if they released all the rules for Eradicators and Bladeguard Veterans to have all these options, then expected people to pay full price for exactly the same kit as was in Indomitus and the 9th Ed starters? People would never be able to play WYSIWYG with anything but the base options or heavy conversions. Can you imagine if GW did that across their entire line? Every box only builds exactly what you see in the box art, but has rules for a number of other options. Then they sprinkle LE versions with the other options here and there to justify those options. I mean, you can already see it to an extent with the Primaris Captains. The DI Captain has unique options even though he has yet to hit general production. Same with the Pariah Nexus Captain with Master Crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle. And the Indomitus Captain, though for now you can still get him in the starters.
And it's not like they haven't shown that they can make generic character models with all their options. Take the CSM Term Lord for example. He comes with his full selection, at least for the edition that kit was first produced. There may be some new things added that he doesn't have, but they can't use that excuse with models like the SM Term Captain. Effectively the same model for a different faction, with the same price, and 0 options included, despite having had numerous options since before he was a plastic kit. If you look closely at the CSM Term Lord kit, you'll notice that all the weapons are just slightly more detailed versions of the regular CSM Term kit. They've already shown that it can be done at the same price level, so they have no excuse for not doing it now. That they force in a DW upgrade sprue to justify the price is just the salt in the wound for anyone who doesn't play DW.
I'm still not seeing your point.
Game-wise it doesn't matter what hand the weapon is in, or the shield on, as long as the model has the correct weapons.
The only reason it'd ever matter is if you had some particular look in mind. Achieving that sometimes means getting familiar with hobby tools & conversion skills....
I'm still not seeing your point.
Game-wise it doesn't matter what hand the weapon is in, or the shield on, as long as the model has the correct weapons.
The only reason it'd ever matter is if you had some particular look in mind. Achieving that sometimes means getting familiar with hobby tools & conversion skills....
Right, so I glue on Power Fist left arm I bought a box of Terminators to get, glue a Storm Shield I bought a box of Assault Terminators to get on the Power Fist, and then glue a Bullgryn Grenadier Gauntlet I bought a Bullgryn box to get for the right arm. Now he's got the loadout, tournament legal, right?
Only cost $194 US to make that one model out of all GW parts for the Official Tourny with a strict "Only GW" policy. Sure, it'll probably look like crap and the Grenadier Gauntlet isn't exactly a Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher or even a SM part, but I'm sure it'll be fine because it's the closest you can get from GWs store right now. At least the extra Terminators will look great with him. Hope you didn't want to do a full TH&SS Assault squad though, cuz you're one shield short now and it'll cost you another $55 to get one.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Actually, new and improved idea. Skip the Assault Term box and just glue one of the Bullgryn Brute Shields to the side of the Grenadier Gauntlet like how Chapter Champions can have a Combat Shield on top of their Bolt Pistol. Saves $55 and probably looks cooler. Also, if anyone asks questions just tell them his right arm is under the Emperor's Protection and doesn't need actual armor, even in spaaaaaace! I kinda like that idea for the amusement factor.
Even better, just use an Ogryn left arm and chop off the little gun handle and say that's his Power Fist. Save money skipping the regular Terms too. If anyone asks, he's just so strong his bare knuckles hit like a Power Fist. Oh, and of course his left arm is also under the Emprah's Protection. Name him Captain Swole if you're feeling funny.
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I'm still not seeing your point.
Game-wise it doesn't matter what hand the weapon is in, or the shield on, as long as the model has the correct weapons.
The only reason it'd ever matter is if you had some particular look in mind. Achieving that sometimes means getting familiar with hobby tools & conversion skills....
Right, so I glue on Power Fist left arm I bought a box of Terminators to get, glue a Storm Shield I bought a box of Assault Terminators to get on the Power Fist, and then glue a Bullgryn Grenadier Gauntlet I bought a Bullgryn box to get for the right arm. Now he's got the loadout, tournament legal, right?
Only cost $194 US to make that one model out of all GW parts for the Official Tourny with a strict "Only GW" policy. Sure, it'll probably look like crap and the Grenadier Gauntlet isn't exactly a Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher or even a SM part, but I'm sure it'll be fine because it's the closest you can get from GWs store right now. At least the extra Terminators will look great with him. Hope you didn't want to do a full TH&SS Assault squad though, cuz you're one shield short now and it'll cost you another $55 to get one.
LOL. Your price estimates are in the realm of delusional.
You can get that LE termie model with the loadout you want for between $50something-about $100 on EBay fairly reliably. At least a $94 dollar savings vs your method!
Storm shields? Type in Storm shield on Ebay. MARVEL at how cheap they are. All styles, various quantities, pure GW right off the sprue.
1) EBay, FB groups/sites, etc are a thing concerning getting bitz you know. You don't HAVE to buy entire boxes at full retail.
2) You aren't limited to using 2021 available product for bitz. GWs been making 40k stuff for 30+ years.
3) On conversions: "It''ll look like crap." That is the cry of the unskilled modeler. You don't want it to look like crap? Just learn the necessary skills.
All I see here is a bunch of bitching about "GW doesn't make a ____...."
LOL. Your price estimates are in the realm of delusional.
You can get that LE termie model with the loadout you want for between $50something-about $100 on EBay fairly reliably. At least a $94 dollar savings vs your method!
Storm shields? Type in Storm shield on Ebay. MARVEL at how cheap they are. All styles, various quantities, pure GW right off the sprue.
1) EBay, FB groups/sites, etc are a thing concerning getting bitz you know. You don't HAVE to buy entire boxes at full retail.
2) You aren't limited to using 2021 available product for bitz. GWs been making 40k stuff for 30+ years.
3) On conversions: "It''ll look like crap." That is the cry of the unskilled modeler. You don't want it to look like crap? Just learn the necessary skills.
All I see here is a bunch of bitching about "GW doesn't make a ____...."
My price methods are not delusional, I was simply using the GW webstore's given prices for each unit. Just because you can find something cheaper elsewhere, does not make the official prices "delusional". If you only care about what has the cheapest price and consider everything else "delusional", then you must buy a lot of recasts.
In any case, my specific argument is about what GW has currently available vs what's in the books.
And not everyone has the skill or time to put into high quality conversions. "Just learn the necessary skills" is a lot easier said than done. There's a reason you don't see every player making their own models from scratch, and it isn't monetary reasons, cuz sculpting clay is a hell of a lot cheaper than GW plastic (Or *gasp* even buying parts on eBay!).
Erm, the loadout doesn't specify which hand the fist is on. Are you assuming it because fist is usually the left one, while bolter is the right? This is not true for all captains, for one, BA model has bolter in left and melee weapon in right.
Anyway, if you want right handed fist, just shave the claws off 1$ terminator claw bit from bit store, done. Or get fist from cataphractii/tartaros kit, they have both handed ones, and the loadout you cited allows you to make captain from one of them.
By the way, cataphractii/tartaros also have grenade launchers, sure, they are carapace mounted but can be easily glued to fist instead, you can have it on bit sites for 50 cents, not 194$
Irbis wrote: Erm, the loadout doesn't specify which hand the fist is on. Are you assuming it because fist is usually the left one, while bolter is the right? This is not true for all captains, for one, BA model has bolter in left and melee weapon in right.
Anyway, if you want right handed fist, just shave the claws off 1$ terminator claw bit from bit store, done. Or get fist from cataphractii/tartaros kit, they have both handed ones, and the loadout you cited allows you to make captain from one of them.
By the way, cataphractii/tartaros also have grenade launchers, sure, they are carapace mounted but can be easily glued to fist instead, you can have it on bit sites for 50 cents, not 194$
Ah fair enough. I think I was just on a several day rage from exam stress that was set off by GWs quirkiness.
Anyway, this thread has gotten waaaaaaay off the original topic and the issue has ended, so can I ask that this thread to be locked?
If anyone want to continue the side discussion, a thread for it should be created. I'm betting it would turn into a real flame war though.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Props on the PFPbtw. I always liked that character in DoW2. At least after she stopped being a bureaucratic bitch in the beginning.
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LOL. Your price estimates are in the realm of delusional.
You can get that LE termie model with the loadout you want for between $50something-about $100 on EBay fairly reliably. At least a $94 dollar savings vs your method!
Storm shields? Type in Storm shield on Ebay. MARVEL at how cheap they are. All styles, various quantities, pure GW right off the sprue.
1) EBay, FB groups/sites, etc are a thing concerning getting bitz you know. You don't HAVE to buy entire boxes at full retail.
2) You aren't limited to using 2021 available product for bitz. GWs been making 40k stuff for 30+ years.
3) On conversions: "It''ll look like crap." That is the cry of the unskilled modeler. You don't want it to look like crap? Just learn the necessary skills.
All I see here is a bunch of bitching about "GW doesn't make a ____...."
SergentSilver wrote: My price methods are not delusional, I was simply using the GW webstore's given prices for each unit. Just because you can find something cheaper elsewhere, does not make the official prices "delusional".
1st, there are no official prices from GW for bitz. The closest you might come is some accessory pack from FW(their SM combi-weapon pack is a good deal).
2nd, any mentally functional player of GW games will quickly learn where to get legit bitz far cheaper than buying multi-model kits at retail prices for just a few parts. The only people who use your method of bitz gathering are the newest of noobs/ignorant (and the rest of us will teach them) & the stupid.
So yeah, your delusional in thinking a single Storm shield would cost someone $50something.
SergentSilver wrote: If you only care about what has the cheapest price and consider everything else "delusional", then you must buy a lot of recasts.
Not really. I'm just smart enough to buy my legit bitz in the most economical way possible. People break kits down & sell the bitz on EBay etc.
Right now? I've got a dozen heads at $1/head + a few dollars shipping en-route. That's a helluva lot cheaper than buying the whole kit yet again. And I would be astounded if they turned out to be re-casts.
As for actual recasts? Not counting stuff I've made, I have 3 that I'm 100% certain are 3d resin cures. I've got several more that I suspect (based solely on price) are likely recasts. Or the sellers were idiots. I just assume the latter, but don't particularly care wich it really is.
SergentSilver wrote: In any case, my specific argument is about what GW has currently available vs what's in the books.
IE; bitching about "GW doesn't make x
SergentSilver wrote: And not everyone has the skill or time to put into high quality conversions. "Just learn the necessary skills" is a lot easier said than done. There's a reason you don't see every player making their own models from scratch, and it isn't monetary reasons, cuz sculpting clay is a hell of a lot cheaper than GW plastic (Or *gasp* even buying parts on eBay!).
If you have the time to assemble & paint GW figures you've got the time to do simple, decent looking, weapon/equipment conversions.
And, assuming you know not to cut towards yourself with the Exacto knife etc, you've got the skill to do it also.
), I don't see any right handed Power Fists among those examples of the Wrist-Mounted Grenade Launcher.
