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 Grimskul wrote:

Gotta agree with Slayer Fan here, +1A on the charge is not negligible but hardly a game breaking rule. By that logic World Eaters is broken and we barely see them on the competitive side of tournaments outside of Red Butcher Terminators in Chaos Soup.


If it was just a +1A on the charge, I guess...but the bonus for the Bloody Rose also applies when being charged or doing an heroic intervention. So basically, it applies most of the time in the game.

Also, combined with the additionnal -1 to AP melee and pistol attacks makes it a double win.

When you know sister armies tend to favor close combat...no wonder this order is often met on sister lists based on agressiveness.

I totally expect the Bloody Rose to be either toned down or the other orders gaining more interesting bonuses. Same for the Valorous Heart.

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Sarouan wrote:
 Grimskul wrote:

Gotta agree with Slayer Fan here, +1A on the charge is not negligible but hardly a game breaking rule. By that logic World Eaters is broken and we barely see them on the competitive side of tournaments outside of Red Butcher Terminators in Chaos Soup.


If it was just a +1A on the charge, I guess...but the bonus for the Bloody Rose also applies when being charged or doing an heroic intervention. So basically, it applies most of the time in the game.

Also, combined with the additionnal -1 to AP melee and pistol attacks makes it a double win.

When you know sister armies tend to favor close combat...no wonder this order is often met on sister lists based on agressiveness.

I totally expect the Bloody Rose to be either toned down or the other orders gaining more interesting bonuses. Same for the Valorous Heart.
Well, 3 of the Order Convictions are trash and the other one is 'I really want to try this, but it doesn't actually help me win'. So a buff/more interesting option for the others is what's required

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I hope all of the Majoris orders are equally viable. They better have some killer crusade stuff....
   
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Sisters feel like they should have a more limited selection of new battle traits, but in return a massive selection of crusade relics. And a crusade mechanic about spreading the faith, similar to de raid territory.
   
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 alextroy wrote:
Apparently not. At least now we can expect both weapon options to be a much closer, if not equal, points value. It wouldn't be too shabby at 165 points for the Exorcist Missile Launcher.


That's a joke right? At T7 with less offensive output than an MM immolator on average? If it's more than 110pts it's a paperweight. Even then, there really isn't a place for it unless they tank the entire codex. Even if they butcher retributors down to garbage you just end up not bringing heavy shooting and going fully into melee.




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Sarouan wrote:
 Grimskul wrote:

Gotta agree with Slayer Fan here, +1A on the charge is not negligible but hardly a game breaking rule. By that logic World Eaters is broken and we barely see them on the competitive side of tournaments outside of Red Butcher Terminators in Chaos Soup.


If it was just a +1A on the charge, I guess...but the bonus for the Bloody Rose also applies when being charged or doing an heroic intervention. So basically, it applies most of the time in the game.

Also, combined with the additionnal -1 to AP melee and pistol attacks makes it a double win.

When you know sister armies tend to favor close combat...no wonder this order is often met on sister lists based on agressiveness.

I totally expect the Bloody Rose to be either toned down or the other orders gaining more interesting bonuses. Same for the Valorous Heart.


Everybody wants to nerf sisters the moment they get anything good, lol. Sisters are fine as they are right now, strong but in a way that's fair.

I actually HATE that we're getting a new codex because it IS going to be utter garbage. These new data sheets are just the beginning of the end of only the second time in 9 editions where sisters were competitive (the other being in the indexes). The current dex is about as good as GW gets and they're going to trash it for the sake of trashing it.


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 Asmodai wrote:
 ZergSmasher wrote:
Not terribly happy to hear about the changes to the Exorcist. I was considering getting two more of them so I could run three in a list because I like them better than Retributors (even though competitively Rets are much better). Now I'll have to reconsider.


Retributors are a big question mark currently - if they get changed to only carry what's in the box (like is happening with most new Codexes), then they'll be much harder to use effectively.


(read: They'll only ever take 2 guns per squad.)


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 Casbyness wrote:
Remember this is GW we're talking about. The reason they're nerfing the Exorcist is because they want us to buy the Castigator instead. I expect the same will happen with Penitent Engines, because they'll want us to buy a bunch of Paragon Warsuits instead of just using what we purchased last year.

They'll nerf whatever was most popular last time around (Retributors?) and buff whatever was least popular (Arcos? Repentia?)

That's how it works.


Really, is that why the stormspeeder and gladiator kits are flying off the shelves right now?

GW aren't competent enough for that strategy to work. Everytime they try they just end up either changing nothing or tanking the entire army and still not getting people to buy the new kits. All their successful units are accidents.

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ERJAK wrote:

I actually HATE that we're getting a new codex because it IS going to be utter garbage. These new data sheets are just the beginning of the end of only the second time in 9 editions where sisters were competitive (the other being in the indexes). The current dex is about as good as GW gets and they're going to trash it for the sake of trashing it.


Keep playing with the current codex, then. Problem solved.

If you're as agressive IRL as you are on this forum, granted, you may have trouble to find people allowing you to do so when the V9 codex will be available.

Otherwise, believe what you want, even when you don't know what will be in the V9 codex.

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I have to agree. GW has done a great job so far with the 9th Edition Codexes. Going on a whingfest because two datasheets lacking special rules have been released is overboard. Chill and wait to see what comes.
   
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Sisters of Battle have only one place to go but down.

I expect Acts of Faith to be nerfed, because even if people tought they were a nerf from their old incarnation, they have end up being one of the most powerfull parts of the codex.

Outside of that, I believe sisters have very good rules. Is just that the amount of sinergy they can musters make some of their options way too cheap for what they can doo.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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 alextroy wrote:
GW has done a great job so far with the 9th Edition Codexes.
As long as you weren't big fans of Plague Marines, Terminators, Wyches and every other future unit that's going to suffer from GW's asinine weapon option rules.

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 alextroy wrote:
I have to agree. GW has done a great job so far with the 9th Edition Codexes. Going on a whingfest because two datasheets lacking special rules have been released is overboard. Chill and wait to see what comes.


Its a complaint that doesn't make any sense, anyway. None of the new instruction book datasheets have special rules. They're intentionally omitted so they don't have to pay for translations on the instruction booklets- its a policy that started at the beginning of 9th, and has no bearing on any special rules the units continue to have.

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A bit sad to see the Exorcist missiles nerfed a bit, but I'll reserve judgment till I see points. Hopefully makes it less of an auto-include when compared to the other Heavy slots and the Castigator.

For the release timeframe, it really comes down to how quickly GW releases all the other things they have coming.

Belakor preorders next week, then I'd bet on Admech the week after that. Nice and simple, we've already seen the book cover, etc.

But then we still have Kragnos, Soulblight, a dozen little releases here and there, and then Sisters and later on Orks.

All of those things have a big ? over their heads in terms of what we're getting and when we're getting them. We still don't really know what Kragnos is, we don't know if Soulblight are getting any other model releases or when they'll drop, we don't know if Sisters are going to be getting anything else, and we've only seen one out of multiple kits that Orks are going to get.

And we're still expecting AoS 3rd edition, which we haven't heard squat about.

I kinda hope that near the end of April we get a few of these questions answered so we can start planning accordingly.
   
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Only downside is that the codex is very good right now, and relatively new. Sucks to replace it so soon, which would be easier to swallow if it was a terrible codex
This is exacerbated when you look at some of the other codexes that are desperate for an upgrade.
   
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drbored wrote:
A bit sad to see the Exorcist missiles nerfed a bit, but I'll reserve judgment till I see points. Hopefully makes it less of an auto-include when compared to the other Heavy slots and the Castigator.

For the release timeframe, it really comes down to how quickly GW releases all the other things they have coming.

Belakor preorders next week, then I'd bet on Admech the week after that. Nice and simple, we've already seen the book cover, etc.

But then we still have Kragnos, Soulblight, a dozen little releases here and there, and then Sisters and later on Orks.

All of those things have a big ? over their heads in terms of what we're getting and when we're getting them. We still don't really know what Kragnos is, we don't know if Soulblight are getting any other model releases or when they'll drop, we don't know if Sisters are going to be getting anything else, and we've only seen one out of multiple kits that Orks are going to get.

And we're still expecting AoS 3rd edition, which we haven't heard squat about.

I kinda hope that near the end of April we get a few of these questions answered so we can start planning accordingly.


Belak'or preorder next week? how'd I miss that? Poor wallet :(
   
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 Galas wrote:
Sisters of Battle have only one place to go but down.

I expect Acts of Faith to be nerfed, because even if people tought they were a nerf from their old incarnation, they have end up being one of the most powerfull parts of the codex.

Outside of that, I believe sisters have very good rules. Is just that the amount of sinergy they can musters make some of their options way too cheap for what they can doo.


One could have thought same about marines yet they got buff instead


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drbored wrote:
A bit sad to see the Exorcist missiles nerfed a bit, but I'll reserve judgment till I see points. Hopefully makes it less of an auto-include when compared to the other Heavy slots and the Castigator.

For the release timeframe, it really comes down to how quickly GW releases all the other things they have coming.

Belakor preorders next week, then I'd bet on Admech the week after that. Nice and simple, we've already seen the book cover, etc.

But then we still have Kragnos, Soulblight, a dozen little releases here and there, and then Sisters and later on Orks.

All of those things have a big ? over their heads in terms of what we're getting and when we're getting them. We still don't really know what Kragnos is, we don't know if Soulblight are getting any other model releases or when they'll drop, we don't know if Sisters are going to be getting anything else, and we've only seen one out of multiple kits that Orks are going to get.

And we're still expecting AoS 3rd edition, which we haven't heard squat about.

I kinda hope that near the end of April we get a few of these questions answered so we can start planning accordingly.


Sister models got february. Thus safe to bet they come may since gw shows up to 3 months. Orks likely june. Ao#3 will be july or august so announcement isnt likely to come soon.


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jivardi wrote:

Belak'or preorder next week? how'd I miss that? Poor wallet :(


By forgetting to press f5 on whc on sunday be'lakor, new characters for stormcast and nighuhaunt and couple army boxes. Which are tempting me to go for stegadon list.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 alextroy wrote:
GW has done a great job so far with the 9th Edition Codexes.
As long as you weren't big fans of Plague Marines, Terminators, Wyches and every other future unit that's going to suffer from GW's asinine weapon option rules.


Still, termies and wyches are finally good after years of oblivion. I'd take those "asinine weapon option rules" anytime if that's the overall result.

In my opinion those rules are also the opposite of being asinine as now someone can max out his unit without being forced to get multiple boxes of the same kit or convert stuff.

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Out of nowhere.

That’s right, folks – the Battle Sister Bulletin is back! As with our very first series on the Adepta Sororitas, which built up to the launch of their hotly anticipated plastic range, we’ll be bringing you a new instalment every couple of weeks, complete with reveals of upcoming miniatures, artwork, rules, and more.

In this instalment, we’re introducing a new division of the Celestians – the fighting elite of the Orders Militant – known as Celestian Sacresants. Like their Celestian sisters, Sacresants traditionally act as bodyguards to the heads of their Order, but they’re also tasked with another holy duty – purging the impure and driving them from sites of sacred significance on the battlefield.

As a Celestian, each Sacresant is a highly skilled warrior, able to overcome many times her own number in battle. Sacresants wield a variety of blessed polearms and maces with which to smite the unclean, and bear large, ornate shields to ward off the blows of their enemies. Protected in both body and spirit, Celestian Sacresants are the wall against which waves of heretics will break.

So, now you know who they are, take a look at these fearsome new Battle Sisters!

Imperious poses? Check.

Cool shields? Check.

Massive, heretic-smiting weapons? Check.

Excellent.

What’s more, the Adepta Sororitas finally has a heavily armoured close combat unit with some serious staying power. The Celestian Sacresants will certainly look great in your collection, as they really stand apart from the crowd.

Speaking of which, this awesome new unit is on its way soon, so if you want to make sure you already have an Adepta Sororitas collection to add them to, grab yourself a Battle Sisters Squad or two today.*


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an article every two weeks .. so a big renovation is expected (even more) and within a long time?

Orks first?
   
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zamerion wrote:
an article every two weeks .. so a big renovation is expected (even more) and within a long time?

Orks first?


Maybe? But Sister-previews started a bit earlier with the Paragon Warsuit.

If Codexes are somewhat analog to previews, I'd expect Admech > Sisters > Orks

(With Bel'akor just sitting on a pdf? campaign book?)

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Sunny Side Up wrote:
zamerion wrote:
an article every two weeks .. so a big renovation is expected (even more) and within a long time?

Orks first?


Maybe? But Sister-previews started a bit earlier with the Paragon Warsuit.

If Codexes are somewhat analog to previews, I'd expect Admech > Sisters > Orks

(With Bel'akor just sitting on a pdf? campaign book?)



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Yay. Duplicate the role of Crusaders.
   
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I hate the new direction these Sisters haven taken, they are carbon copy of Marines concepts but "female version" and I just can't accept this
   
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I’m actually starting to get to the point where I feel there are too many new Sisters releases lol.

Can Eldar get some of this love GW?
   
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KurtAngle2 wrote:
I hate the new direction these Sisters haven taken, they are carbon copy of Marines concepts but "female version" and I just can't accept this


While I agree on the sisters predator tank im not sure I agree on these being a carbon copy of marines. Its sisters with a new weapon, any sisters with a new weapon will just be "a marine copy", give them sword and shield they are blade guards, bolt pistol and chainsword= just assault marines, give them heavier armour = just terminators, give them lighter armour = just scouts, More flamers = just salamanders

Marine have so many options, I would argue outside of penitent engines, the triumph and repentia all sisters models are "just marine copies with a few candles" exorcist=whirlwind immolator=razerback penitent engine could be argued as "just an edgy sisters dreadnought" and repentia just being religious less armoured choppy sisters are just black templar crusade squads.

I think only units they could get now that are not just "marine copies" would be drop churches and sisters on horses. Though really that's just a bigger planetfall bunker and bikers.
   
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KurtAngle2 wrote:
I hate the new direction these Sisters haven taken, they are carbon copy of Marines concepts but "female version" and I just can't accept this


How? Now anything with a shield is a marine? Are Lychguard marines in disguise? (Now the new sister predator is boring as feth but also was the rhino and most imperial vehicles. Thats what most people wanted, no? STC! STANDARISATION!)

Personally I always wanted sisters of battle with shields and spears. Halberds works too, even better if you ask me. The shield personally, at least in that colour, I don't like it that much.

Now give me crusaders in bikes with explosive spears. Give me bretonnia reborn SHINY AND CROME.

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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 Galas wrote:
KurtAngle2 wrote:
I hate the new direction these Sisters haven taken, they are carbon copy of Marines concepts but "female version" and I just can't accept this


How? Now anything with a shield is a marine? Are Lychguard marines in disguise? (Now the new sister predator is boring as feth but also was the rhino and most imperial vehicles. Thats what most people wanted, no? STC! STANDARISATION!)

Personally I always wanted sisters of battle with shields and spears. Halberds works too, even better if you ask me. The shield personally, at least in that colour, I don't like it that much.

Now give me crusaders in bikes with explosive spears. Give me bretonnia reborn SHINY AND CROME.


Except that the "Human with shields" space design was already taken by Crusaders, the could have used something different instead of a "Bladeguard/Lychguard with a Lance" concept
   
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
Yay. Duplicate the role of Crusaders.
You say that like Crusaders have a role

Do you know what 40k melee needs? #FreetheFlagellants

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KurtAngle2 wrote:
 Galas wrote:
KurtAngle2 wrote:
I hate the new direction these Sisters haven taken, they are carbon copy of Marines concepts but "female version" and I just can't accept this


How? Now anything with a shield is a marine? Are Lychguard marines in disguise? (Now the new sister predator is boring as feth but also was the rhino and most imperial vehicles. Thats what most people wanted, no? STC! STANDARISATION!)

Personally I always wanted sisters of battle with shields and spears. Halberds works too, even better if you ask me. The shield personally, at least in that colour, I don't like it that much.

Now give me crusaders in bikes with explosive spears. Give me bretonnia reborn SHINY AND CROME.


Except that the "Human with shields" space design was already taken by Crusaders, the could have used something different instead of a "Bladeguard/Lychguard with a Lance" concept


Crusaders are a freakshow unit like Death Cult Assasins and not proper Adeptas Sororitas. I mean, I love crusaders, but lets not pretend they are in the radar for GW.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
 
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