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 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
For what it's worth, allowing unnamed Canonesses to ride in the warsuits would probably make the foot-based version of them functionally useless, similar to what we see in Marines - why take a standard footslogger when jump packs, bikes, Terminators, Thunderwolves, etc are right there and far more effective in their role?

That's mostly for mobility in the front lines. If you want simple buffing there's a reason for it.

My point is that we've now got a Palatine which is like an even cheaper version of the Canoness if the buffs are all you're looking for. Insert a Warsuit Canoness and suddenly the regular Canoness is awkwardly sandwiched between two arguably more efficient options depending on what it is you're looking to get out of the unit.

Ok, but, GW doesn't make HQs based on the logic you're using. Efficiency isn't in the bag. It generally isn't even the same building.

Exhibit A: The exhausting list of 21 HQ datasheets in the _base_ SM codex (not counting servitors)
Exhibit B: Necron lords still existing, despite CCBs, Overlords, and Royal Wardens (and also 4 varieties of cryptek and 2 types of destroyer lords)

Even chaos marines got things like the Master of Executions, Master of Possession and the Discordant daemon-engine guy in the last go-around.

GW likes models for the sake of models and they worry about rules, roles and points later (if at all). There isn't really a strong reason not to have a Canoness warsuit (or jumppack canoness) beyond 'production budget allocated for this release.' Next go around they'll probably make a show of producing the models due to 'wide support.'

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
For what it's worth, allowing unnamed Canonesses to ride in the warsuits would probably make the foot-based version of them functionally useless, similar to what we see in Marines - why take a standard footslogger when jump packs, bikes, Terminators, Thunderwolves, etc are right there and far more effective in their role?

If the suit is 10+ wounds, there'd be a reason to take regular Cannonesses. Look Out Sir.

Well with latest revelation we can safely rule this one out.

Point cost would of course be another reason but you can trust GW not to do that right. They don't with marines. They can't with this either.

Voss 798123 11120851 wrote:

GW likes models for the sake of models and they worry about rules, roles and points later (if at all). There isn't really a strong reason not to have a Canoness warsuit (or jumppack canoness) beyond 'production budget allocated for this release.' Next go around they'll probably make a show of producing the models due to 'wide support.'

well they could want people to want to buy specific characters this edition and then different characters in next one. This way there is no secondary market, no other companies models for them. Plus GW seems to love to make unit load outs of one unit, a separat unit. I have no idea why the two gravis armour sm Cpts can't be one option, then the jump pack, bike, termintor cpts another option etc.

Paragon Suit Canoness would be cool -- and as long as they serve a different role, it might be able to work?

Canoness on foot is a good leader, and a decent beatstick, though not nearly on par with a marine. She's also below 80 pts.

A Paragon Suit Canoness might be closer to 100 -> 200? Who knows, and will probably be on par with a Marine Captain in Terminator Armor if not a Dreadknight?