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 Stux wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
Aren't Stormcast just Order Chaos Warriors? Which would make Chaos Warriors Chaos Stormcast?

Pretty much this, yes. StD are a bit underwhelming at the moment, but thematically they should be a chaotic parallel to Stormcast.

Slaves to Darkness are the old Chaos Warriors from WHFB so they don't really feel like a parallel to the Stormcasts to me. For that I believe it would units such as the Putrid Blightkings/Pussgoyle Blightlords, Myrmidesh Painbringers/Symbaresh Twinsouls and Skullreapers/Wrathmongers.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Stux wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
Aren't Stormcast just Order Chaos Warriors? Which would make Chaos Warriors Chaos Stormcast?

Pretty much this, yes. StD are a bit underwhelming at the moment, but thematically they should be a chaotic parallel to Stormcast.

Slaves to Darkness are the old Chaos Warriors from WHFB so they don't really feel like a parallel to the Stormcasts to me. For that I believe it would units such as the Putrid Blightkings/Pussgoyle Blightlords, Myrmidesh Painbringers/Symbaresh Twinsouls and Skullreapers/Wrathmongers.

Which are just Chaos Warriors but Super Special Marked. Except Skullreapers/Wrathmongers. Those are super duper special super marked chaos warriors. The normal Super Special Marked Khorne Chaos Warriors are Blood Warriors.

Rihgu wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Stux wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
Aren't Stormcast just Order Chaos Warriors? Which would make Chaos Warriors Chaos Stormcast?

Pretty much this, yes. StD are a bit underwhelming at the moment, but thematically they should be a chaotic parallel to Stormcast.

Slaves to Darkness are the old Chaos Warriors from WHFB so they don't really feel like a parallel to the Stormcasts to me. For that I believe it would units such as the Putrid Blightkings/Pussgoyle Blightlords, Myrmidesh Painbringers/Symbaresh Twinsouls and Skullreapers/Wrathmongers.

Which are just Chaos Warriors but Super Special Marked. Except Skullreapers/Wrathmongers. Those are super duper special super marked chaos warriors. The normal Super Special Marked Khorne Chaos Warriors are Blood Warriors.

The Slaaneshi and Nurgle models I've listed are the top mortal warriors available in their battletomes making them the closest that army has to a parallel for the Stormcast Eternals. For Slaves to Darkness that would probably be the Varanguard, not the basic Chaos Warriors/Knights.

Stormcast are Order Chaos Warriors, so Chaos Stormcast would be Chaos Order Chaos Warriors

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Stormcast are Order Chaos Warriors, so Chaos Stormcast would be Chaos Order Chaos Warriors

Sounds like a job for the chaos gods of order!

 Stux wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
Aren't Stormcast just Order Chaos Warriors? Which would make Chaos Warriors Chaos Stormcast?

Pretty much this, yes. StD are a bit underwhelming at the moment, but thematically they should be a chaotic parallel to Stormcast.

I think you meant Chaos Warriors/Knights there. StD encompass more than just the evil knights (mounted or on foot).
Or do you seriously think my Darkoath Marauder horde = evil Stormcast? Or the assorted cultists?

Obviously I meant Chaos Warriors... Just as Stormcast includes Gryph Hounds, but its clear from context I'm not talking about them.

Even Chaos Knighys feel a bit lacklustre these days though, which is a bit sad.

StDs would be analogous to Cities of Sigmar, which includes Stormcast on the roster as well as normals.

So what you guys are saying is that we just need to paint our Stormcasts in a more angry and moody colour scheme to make them Chaos Stormcasts?

Well cultists are really just humans with a goth fetish so I don't see why not.

 Niiai wrote:
I have a hard time aligning dwarfs with the philosefy of chaos. Unless you do some very spesific dwarfs. Berserker dwarfs? Dwarfs worshipping oblivion?

Chaos dwarfs traditionally are very into blacksmith and building things. Destruction is not about building things, except things like clans, teretory etc.

As I understand it they're busy building some feth-huge warp cannon to tear Azyr a new one.

Aligning an intelligent race with chaos is easy. Promises of power, pleasure, and influence, and just the mental corruption that chaos causes. It is generally born out of an obsession so strong they end up dealing with the devil to further that obsession. This actually works really well with dwarfs as realised in previous chaos dwarfs. Their obsession with crafting and engineering furthered and twisted by demonic influence.

Destruction is harder in my opinion. Because Destruction is basically defined by its inability, as a race, to focus on long term goals. In the long term, all the destruction races face complete annihilation if chaos is not stopped. But as races they can't put aside their difference with other races long enough for any kind of sustainable alliance before the desire for a big fight supercedes any existential fear they might have for chaos.

Its hard to imagine an intelligent Dwarf faction that might fit here. Slayers probably come closest. But we have Slayers in Order, so unless that's changing I really dont see a niche here that makes any sense to me.

Also its good to remember that a destruction FACTION doesn't mean every member of that race as an individual aligns with that faction. There are Orruks who live in Free Cities, and Ogors tribes that live their lives as mercenaries working with Free Guilds. Some individuals from Destruction races would in fact definitely be Order aligned as individuals.

It's important to note that whilst the ultimate goal of Chaos is to destroy all of the Mortal Realms and corrupt it to Chaos, that doesn't mean each worshipper wants that same end goal. Many are after selfish short term goals and those who might be more aware of the grand scheme might well hold the view (if they are still sane) that they will back the winning side and when the mortal realms end, they'll be already within and part of Chaos.


Another big thing GW has pushed with AoS and the Warcry Warbands in particular is that there are many who are worshipping Chaos without realising it. Worship is a real energy and thing within the mortal realms and the gods all seem to feed and make use of it. However Chaos Greater Demons often pretend to be minor/other gods. Tribes all the way up to cities and nations can be praying to a god whom is in reality a demon of one of the major Chaos Gods.
They might even war against Chaos itself in the belief that they are helping to drive it back; whilst at the same time just inviting another Chaos into themselves. Basically pawns in power plays between Greater Demons.