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PenitentJake wrote:

MrMcThrasher wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Make sure to fire off an email to their 40k FAQ address to force them to defend/clarify the number of weapons in a Skitarii Vanguard/Ranger squad.

People have actually been defending the fact it happened to Plague Marines, Blightlords, and Wyches, so chances are people are gonna defend it here.

And it happened to sisters too according to goons. So you can bet it's happening to everyone.

Best comment I've seen on the issue was that it's really bad for old players with existing armies, but it's great for new players just getting in, because they'll never be temped to buy multiple boxes for a another copy of a couple weapons in order to chase the meta. It does actually remove an element of "Pay to Win" if you look at it from a new player's POV.

Never felt like pay to win for us long beards who have been collecting since Rogue Trader in '89; after 32 years, you're going to have enough specials and heavies to optimize, without having to ever drop money on 6 boxes to actually make only 3 units, but without the change, someone buying in tomorrow WOULD have to do that in a tourney list.

I started playing in 7th (horrible, I know) and yeah, it did suck knowing that I'd have to buy twice as many boxes to field the "correct" number of special weapons in a squad. Part of the reason why I gravitated towards armies with very uniformly geared troops (Necrons and Thousand Sons) I guess.

So now your argument is that because you can convert other bits from other kits the rule cannot be as everyone interprets it?

And I tell you who makes 6-9 model units of Skitarii. People that have 8-24 pts left in their list with nowhere to hide them.

But keep living in your own mind palace.
Also, chem trails aren't real, the earth isn't flat and we're not secretly ruled by the iluminati. You are so caught up in your view that you cannot see reason anymore and draw up conspiracy theories. No point in further trying to argue with you.

Good day, sir.

Once you start trying to conflate different interpretations of things to conspiracy theories?

You've shown that you have no leg to stand on aside from personal attacks.

 Thairne wrote:


And I tell you who makes 6-9 model units of Skitarii. People that have 8-24 pts left in their list with nowhere to hide them.

Ninja'd.

But for the record Kan, I went back and read the thread, and yeah, some folks went at you pretty hard with their choice of words. I'm guessing this is a conversation you guys have had on other threads too?

Anyway, for it what it's worth, I meant no disrespect.

You followed something you quoted from me with the phrase "It's a filthy lie."

My initial reaction was to take offense, but after taking some time to parse the semantics, it's not really the same thing as calling me a filthy liar. It feels this way because you quote me before making the statement, but I get that you're referencing the argument as a whole, since many, many others have made it. Took me some cool down time to see that though.

Anyway, no disrespect and no offense taken, but I'm out; pretty much everyone in this conversation does know Admech better than I do anyway, and they'll make better and stronger arguments than I will.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I could be a lot of insulting, if you'd like.

Please don't. For your own benefit, not for mine.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Do you know what the "War Convocation" was?

Yes. A 7th edition option that was printed in White Dwarf and has nothing at all to do with the game now, multiple editions later.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Who takes 6-9 model units of Skitarii? When the starting size is 4 Rangers/Vanguard and an Alpha? When they come in boxes of 10?

Who is going to waste their time or effort into doing that?!

Probably someone like me? I often take odd numbers of cultists in a unit due to points left over.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm done engaging with any of you on this.

Good, that's for the best. I believe I counted at least three threads where you've expressed this same opinion. I can't imagine the OP was looking for anyone to turn their thread into an additional platform for personal rhetoric. It isn't fair on them and others looking to continue the original discussion, for the thread to get pointlessly derailed. Why not create a new one if this is something you wish to discuss at length?

 Kanluwen wrote:

You've shown that you have no leg to stand on aside from personal attacks.

Yes, no legs beside logic, math, English skills and common sense

A picture's worth a thousand words, and I have two.


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 StrayIight wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Do you know what the "War Convocation" was?

Yes. A 7th edition option that was printed in White Dwarf and has nothing at all to do with the game now, multiple editions later.

Unfortunately no, it does. Because we're still dealing with the fallout of it as evidenced by the Canticles/Doctrina Imperative split in the book.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Who takes 6-9 model units of Skitarii? When the starting size is 4 Rangers/Vanguard and an Alpha? When they come in boxes of 10?

Who is going to waste their time or effort into doing that?!

Probably someone like me? I often take odd numbers of cultists in a unit due to points left over.

That's a points problem, not a unit problem.

Which also goes to why having broken it up by 5s would have been better.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm done engaging with any of you on this.

Good, that's for the best. I believe I counted at least three threads where you've expressed this same opinion. I can't imagine the OP was looking for anyone to turn their thread into an additional platform for personal rhetoric. It isn't fair on them and others looking to continue the original discussion, for the thread to get pointlessly derailed. Why not create a new one if this is something you wish to discuss at length?

I literally just said that it's a good idea to email to ask about it. You can talk to Yukushiro and Thairne about "derailing it into an additional platform for personal rhetoric".

All they had to do was say nothing or report it as off-topic or whatever. They chose to start an argument here.

Hey, on that note, back to OP, who seems to have wanted to create a positive thread:

I don't have an Admech army, but I've always thought a small force of them would be cool, so I bought their 8th dex. Just bought the 9th today, though I don't have it in my hands yet.

I became interested because I wanted a small team of Archeotech hunters to help dig up relics for my sisters. I think it's AMAZING that this is EXACTLY what their Crusade content does.

I don't like their hover tank models or their Onagers. I'm planning on making two story based conversions- one is the crane from the galvanic servohauler kit mashed with a rhino or a chimera; the other is a similar kitbash that uses the tectonic frag drill.

Hoping to be able to do it with magnets, that way I can use the servohauler and frag drill as intended, and then just assemble my conversion when the campaign reaches the point in the narrative that Admech get digging. Going to take some work.

Looking forward to reading the dex to see if there are crusade upgrades that would be reflective of these conversion ideas.

Servohauler actually can kitbash fairly smooth with the fragdrill. Ray Dranfield of the scenery design team had showcased someone doing it:


Normally, I would credit someone on it...but it's a display name that I can't easily copy over. The converter had it intended to be pulled by a Goliath Truck, which should not be a huge deal for you.

Since the 8E changeover hit my Onager collection hard, I've been planning on putting two of the remaining four to build together as specimen-haulers.

yukishiro1 wrote:
I don't think it has to do with anything other than GW's new policy for troops choice. It's generally not worth the points to take two special weapons anyway with the 9th edition codex, you just want more skitarii instead. Making Kan's crusade against the meaning of the words "contains fewer than" especially quixotic.

I don't know why GW adopted its new policy on troops choices and special weapons, but if I had to guess, it's probably more about trying to undermine the 3rd party bits market than anything else.

You'd have a point if Kalabites and Sisters weren't able to repeat any weapons. It's arbitrary selection and it's absolutely not healthy for the game.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Servohauler actually can kitbash fairly smooth with the fragdrill. Ray Dranfield of the scenery design team had showcased someone doing it:

Spoiler:

Normally, I would credit someone on it...but it's a display name that I can't easily copy over. The converter had it intended to be pulled by a Goliath Truck, which should not be a huge deal for you.

Since the 8E changeover hit my Onager collection hard, I've been planning on putting two of the remaining four to build together as specimen-haulers.

Thanks for this!

It gets around the fact that neither the Chimera nor Rhino chasis are available to Admech; I think it kinda looks more admechy than a tank chasis would.

 Kanluwen wrote:


But yeah. Until GW themselves tell me 100 frigging percent, I'm done engaging with any of you on this. The two new pictures in the army book showing a doubled up Transauranic Arqeubus squad built literally for this book tell me that I do, apparently, have a leg to stand on.

They already did. In the book. Where it says "if this unit contains 9 or fewer models." There's a clear answer here, and it is that "10 or more" is not "9 or fewer"; in fact that is litearlly what "10 or more" means. You're right that I often criticize GW for writing bad, unclear rules; the fact that even I am telling you this is clear should be a clue that you're barking up the wrong tree.

But I'm very glad you've announced you're not going to talk about the topic any more.


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MrMcThrasher wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
I don't think it has to do with anything other than GW's new policy for troops choice. It's generally not worth the points to take two special weapons anyway with the 9th edition codex, you just want more skitarii instead. Making Kan's crusade against the meaning of the words "contains fewer than" especially quixotic.

I don't know why GW adopted its new policy on troops choices and special weapons, but if I had to guess, it's probably more about trying to undermine the 3rd party bits market than anything else.

You'd have a point if Kalabites and Sisters weren't able to repeat any weapons. It's arbitrary selection and it's absolutely not healthy for the game.

Oh, I'm not saying it's a good approach. Just that it seems to be GW's approach.