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2021/06/08 23:24:33
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
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2021/06/09 07:02:40
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
I never did finish that game. I think it had a branching campaign that branched depending on how you did in the missions, which unfortunately were rather repetitive. Also it was purely fighter based. I actually would like a Leviathan based computer game, though Leviathan as a game needs working as it was clearly unbalanced (Class E missile systems dominated).
Looks like they are also redoing the actual Renegade Legion universe. It seems like TOG is now really the "Tellun Empire", the Commonwealth is now an alien Union, and TOG itself does not seem to be Rome in Space anymore. Ehh...not sure about this. I was kind of always hoping for something like a progression of the original, something maybe breaking up TOG, like with a civil war or the opening of a new front like with the KessRith, so that its victory did not seem inevitable and maybe making it so it was not so black and white.
Hmm...looks like they are basically reworking the whole universe. While I appreciate making things less black and white between the two main factions (since the original RL was basically Star Wars Rebels vs Empire), I will see the final product first before forming any opinions, though I do hope their Leviathan art retains some of the old imagery.
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2021/06/09 17:01:34
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
Can't bring it back under the same name. But there's nothing stopping anyone from essentially releasing it with the serial numbers filed off. The setting's been dormant for long enough that it likely wouldn't be a drawback.
2021/06/09 21:00:29
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
Microsoft owned Battletech for a while as well. Wizkids/Catalyst/FASA might be able to buy it back, especially since it’s been dormant.
However, I think its time to be revitalized has passed - they may have had better luck reviving it back when X-Wing was hot, but likely as a flightpath game (so no templates).
I still have my original and the clix version on my shelf. I wish they’d made more airplanes during the clix era - they were sure better than the 3D paper standees.
It never ends well
2021/06/09 21:12:42
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
Stormonu wrote: Microsoft owned Battletech for a while as well. Wizkids/Catalyst/FASA might be able to buy it back, especially since it’s been dormant.
Microsoft owns the IP rights to BattleTech computer games after their purchase of FASA Interactive. They have never owned the core intellectual property for the tabletop game.
Crimson Skies AFAIK was always a Microsoft property with FASA licensing the rights for the tabletop game.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2021/06/09 21:25:52
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
Owned. Microsoft sold the computer game rights to Infinite Games Publishing (who partnered with Piranha Games for mechwarrior online). They've since ceded the rights to Piranha and gone bankrupt (2014).
Harebrained Schemes Battletech game didn't happen until after that (because Weisman didn't want to try until the rights were out of MS's control). Between the fuzzy lines between the rights to Mechwarrior and Battletech (they're technically not the same thing, especially for computer games), and whether Piranha and HBS have a rights agreement or something more complicated, I have no idea. Well, some idea, since HBS' Battletech uses Piranha models for the Mechs, which means there's some sort of deal, but Microsoft isn't involved anymore.
Battletech is a rights clusterfeth (even before you get to the Robotech Issues).
Renegade Legion & Crimson Skies are similar, but people care less.
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2021/06/10 00:43:25
Subject: Re:Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
And finally- The Unseen 12 never belonged to Harmony Gold...
At Games Workshop, we believe that how you behave does matter. We believe this so strongly that we have written it down in the Games Workshop Book. There is a section in the book where we talk about the values we expect all staff to demonstrate in their working lives. These values are Lawyers, Guns and Money.
2021/06/10 04:35:45
Subject: Re:Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
Stormonu wrote: Microsoft owned Battletech for a while as well. Wizkids/Catalyst/FASA might be able to buy it back, especially since it’s been dormant.
Crimson Skies AFAIK was always a Microsoft property with FASA licensing the rights for the tabletop game.
No, it was a unique IP developed by Jordan Weisman and FASA (well, technically another company which merged with FASA) in the first place. Microsoft acquired the rights when they purchased FASA.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
2021/07/02 18:07:56
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
The Renegade Legions website is now giving me warning alerts.
Your connection is not private
Attackers might be trying to steal your information from renegadelegions.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards).
NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
Anyone getting this or similar alerts? I use Opera browser.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2021/07/02 18:12:04
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
Speaks volumes on the continued gakshow indeed....
At Games Workshop, we believe that how you behave does matter. We believe this so strongly that we have written it down in the Games Workshop Book. There is a section in the book where we talk about the values we expect all staff to demonstrate in their working lives. These values are Lawyers, Guns and Money.
2021/07/04 21:50:14
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
Wishing I was back at the South Atlantic, closer to ice than the sun
Iracundus wrote: Hmm...looks like they are basically reworking the whole universe. While I appreciate making things less black and white between the two main factions (since the original RL was basically Star Wars Rebels vs Empire), I will see the final product first before forming any opinions, though I do hope their Leviathan art retains some of the old imagery.
Correct, if I recall correctly, Fasa did bid on producing the Star Wars fighter combat game and RL was the submission. However rumour had it that the licensees felt the concept was too complicated and gave the licence to West End Games who had come up with Star Warriors.
Well, at least that's how I remember it.
Andrew
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2021/07/05 01:38:46
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
Iracundus wrote: Hmm...looks like they are basically reworking the whole universe. While I appreciate making things less black and white between the two main factions (since the original RL was basically Star Wars Rebels vs Empire), I will see the final product first before forming any opinions, though I do hope their Leviathan art retains some of the old imagery.
Correct, if I recall correctly, Fasa did bid on producing the Star Wars fighter combat game and RL was the submission. However rumour had it that the licensees felt the concept was too complicated and gave the licence to West End Games who had come up with Star Warriors.
During a panel at RedCon95, FASA President Sam Lewis stated that the Renegade Legion series of games were originally designed for use with the Star Wars license. Since the license was awarded to West End Games, FASA chose to use the systems with their own setting.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2021/07/06 18:08:56
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
It’s all moot, anyway. This so called ‘Interceptor’ Kickstarter is going to crash and burn, barely a third of the way to the minimum goal. I wonder why? Let’s see - Rules, they completely nuked everything related to Renegade Legion : Interceptor. Background - they completely nuked the Renegade Legion setting, in exchange for yawn inducing gibberish. This was a pretender, made by a company that is FASA in name only. It deserves the scrap heap it’s headed towards.
2021/07/07 11:07:14
Subject: Re:Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
I'm actually kinda glad to see it's not getting funded. Hopefully 'FASA' take a critical look at why it's failed, take on board the feedback, and then retry with game that's fit for purpose in the 21st Century.
2021/07/08 09:47:37
Subject: Re:Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
grahamdbailey wrote: I'm actually kinda glad to see it's not getting funded. Hopefully 'FASA' take a critical look at why it's failed, take on board the feedback, and then retry with game that's fit for purpose in the 21st Century.
Although, on the other hand, if they just said - "for out next kickstarter we're just going to reprint the old TOG games verbatim" I'd probably chuck them some cash.
2021/07/08 10:29:02
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
And finally- The Unseen 12 never belonged to Harmony Gold...
Harmony Gold did have a valid licence, so we can't say otherwise. But Harmony Gold did not have exclusive rights in the manner they claimed they had.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2021/07/09 13:48:13
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
Even ‘FASA’ gave up on this ‘Interceptor’ when it became apparent it was dead in the water - no updates or responses to comments from this pretender company on Kickstarter in two weeks. Once there was no chance of this funding, instead of cancelling or retooling it, they just chose to vanish.
2021/07/09 16:43:48
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
It is easier to let it fail. Cancelling means what you think it means unless they commit to a promise to return.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2021/07/09 20:23:26
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
Kickstarters are expensive, and that's before KS takes 5% off the top of received funds. I walked away from a 3rd kick at the can because I didn't have resources to run another one.
2021/07/09 20:51:40
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
I thought the old game (Renegade Legion Interceptor) had a fascinating background and pretty fun gameplay... right up to damage allocation. Then it became a real pain. I considered re-jiggering things into something like that of their other games but never had the time.
What was everyone else's thought on it?
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My job here is done.
2021/07/10 04:14:35
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
I actually really enjoyed the damage allocation flow chart thing in old RL Interceptor. Yeah, it took a while, but it was exciting to see what system fried next. Sometimes it's nice to not be so concerned with "speed of play," and be able to get lost in some of the crazy details that some of the old guard wargames had.
2021/07/10 05:00:40
Subject: Re:Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
So there seem to be 2 attempts at the old Renegade Legion system/franchise: The FASA failed Kickstarter for a new universe. Then there is the Budgie Smuggler Games "Renegade Legion" which aside from borrowing the name and the name of TOG seems to be an entirely new universe. I fail to see how that really attracts the old Renegade Legion crowd if you're just going to throw out the old background entirely.
There seems to be a reasonably sized Renegade Legion Facebook group based around the original universe.
2021/07/12 00:44:37
Subject: Interceptor by FASA kickstarter (space figher combat game)
Valander wrote: I actually really enjoyed the damage allocation flow chart thing in old RL Interceptor. Yeah, it took a while, but it was exciting to see what system fried next. Sometimes it's nice to not be so concerned with "speed of play," and be able to get lost in some of the crazy details that some of the old guard wargames had.
Our main complaint was how the same systems got hit much of the time. First game, it was fun while the armor held, then the internals started shorting out the opponent's power plant or drive. From there, he coasted at the same velocity the rest of the game while I coasted alongside pouring fire into the breached armor.
For three or four turns, as I would short his drive/power plant and ultimately hit everything else on the allocation chart before killing him.
Next game it was my turn. Lots of fun until the internals came in, and then I coast along without power for three or four turns of receiving fire while he guts my fighter.
Our experience was that first internals almost always determined the winner. So... just have the first internal kill and move on to the next game.
