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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but you know me. I want that terrain. I want two sets of that terrain.


on the bright side, they're advertising this as the kill team starter box not the kill team "launch box" so hopefullyu it'll be in continious production for a bit

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No they said it was a launch box and that it would have the same availability as Indomitus/Dominion.

And it's 40k, which means it'll sell out in 14 seconds rather than 14 days. Actually hold on... *checks GW website*... ok, Dominion hasn't sold out yet. Guess 40k just has it beat.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No they said it was a launch box and that it would have the same availability as Indomitus/Dominion.

And it's 40k, which means it'll sell out in 14 seconds rather than 14 days. Actually hold on... *checks GW website*... ok, Dominion hasn't sold out yet. Guess 40k just has it beat.



uuugh. :(

GW needs to stop with these fething limited edition launch boxes.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No they said it was a launch box and that it would have the same availability as Indomitus/Dominion.

And it's 40k, which means it'll sell out in 14 seconds rather than 14 days. Actually hold on... *checks GW website*... ok, Dominion hasn't sold out yet. Guess 40k just has it beat.



uuugh. :(

GW needs to stop with these fething limited edition launch boxes.


Fomo sells though and you have not produced overcapacity.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:

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Voss wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
on the bright side this is good as it means demand outpaced production which means with any lkuck it might signal to GW orks are more popular then they thought

remember sisters of battle had this same issue with their box


Any pretense that they 'didn't know the popularity orks/sisters/whatever' is lost after a few repetitions of this particular exercise. And that was a couple years ago at this point.

Since they were actively prepping the website for this one, and forewarning people about the stock levels, the same old excuses just don't hold water. They knew. They simply under-produced again.

Dominion was one of the rare cases where they got it right. Sales were good, but they're slowly trickling out of stock over the course of six weeks or so. That's a healthy lifespan for a specialty box (if one wants to argue that limited time boxes are good for consumers at all, which I don't. They should ride for the duration of the edition, which should be longer than they are now)


I think Dominion not selling out was more that AoS just isn't as popular as people would have you believe.

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Glad I was not interested in this box.

Dreading the day Squats and Chaos Dwarfs get their new stuff...
   
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Quasistellar wrote:
Was there no queue system this time?


They didn't make anywhere near the amount of copies of this box as they did for others like Dominion and the Sisters box. It sold out because it was popular, not because evil GW did evil things.


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 Darnok wrote:
Glad I was not interested in this box.

Dreading the day Squats and Chaos Dwarfs get their new stuff...


You know you don't need these boxes to build or start these armies right? Nothing in the sisters box was needed as the full kits look a lot better than the snap-fit super mono-pose models.


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 Sim-Life wrote:
Voss wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
on the bright side this is good as it means demand outpaced production which means with any lkuck it might signal to GW orks are more popular then they thought

remember sisters of battle had this same issue with their box


Any pretense that they 'didn't know the popularity orks/sisters/whatever' is lost after a few repetitions of this particular exercise. And that was a couple years ago at this point.

Since they were actively prepping the website for this one, and forewarning people about the stock levels, the same old excuses just don't hold water. They knew. They simply under-produced again.

Dominion was one of the rare cases where they got it right. Sales were good, but they're slowly trickling out of stock over the course of six weeks or so. That's a healthy lifespan for a specialty box (if one wants to argue that limited time boxes are good for consumers at all, which I don't. They should ride for the duration of the edition, which should be longer than they are now)


I think Dominion not selling out was more that AoS just isn't as popular as people would have you believe.


Incorrect. They produce an obscene number of copies because the one problem GW does still have is they can't gage the popularity of their own products.


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BrianDavion wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No they said it was a launch box and that it would have the same availability as Indomitus/Dominion.

And it's 40k, which means it'll sell out in 14 seconds rather than 14 days. Actually hold on... *checks GW website*... ok, Dominion hasn't sold out yet. Guess 40k just has it beat.



uuugh. :(

GW needs to stop with these fething limited edition launch boxes.


Why? They're clearly working. There is literally no reason to stop when it's driving interest and selling product, which is what they're all about.

The community can either accept this, or they can take their money elsewhere to other companies and games (which isn't a bad thing, there are other things out their to experience).

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Togusa wrote:

Incorrect. They produce an obscene number of copies because the one problem GW does still have is they can't gage the popularity of their own products.


So why did they overproduce Dominion and not this one? Or Cursed City? Or Indomitus? Or the Sisters box? Or literally ANY other limited release? Why was Dominion so special?

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 Sim-Life wrote:
Togusa wrote:

Incorrect. They produce an obscene number of copies because the one problem GW does still have is they can't gage the popularity of their own products.


So why did they overproduce Dominion and not this one? Or Cursed City? Or Indomitus? Or the Sisters box? Or literally ANY other limited release? Why was Dominion so special?


Dominion was a direct response to the issues stemming from Indomitus and specifically, the Cursed City debacle. The action of doing the Made to Order is too costly for them, so this time they overproduced by a large amount. It's sold extremely well and there are a lot more AoS players out there now than there was 6 months ago. The AoS reddit page grew by 40% in the last month.
   
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Togusa wrote:
 Sim-Life wrote:
Togusa wrote:

Incorrect. They produce an obscene number of copies because the one problem GW does still have is they can't gage the popularity of their own products.


So why did they overproduce Dominion and not this one? Or Cursed City? Or Indomitus? Or the Sisters box? Or literally ANY other limited release? Why was Dominion so special?


Dominion was a direct response to the issues stemming from Indomitus and specifically, the Cursed City debacle. The action of doing the Made to Order is too costly for them, so this time they overproduced by a large amount. It's sold extremely well and there are a lot more AoS players out there now than there was 6 months ago. The AoS reddit page grew by 40% in the last month.


That doesn't address the fact that the Beastsnaggas box was apparently underproduced, despite 40k being vastly more popular than AoS and literally every other tabletop wargame game on the planet. You can't tell me GW couldn't have predicted this. So either GW over-estimated the demand for Dominion or they're deliberately under-producing 40k limited edition boxes for no gain or reason whatsoever. This isn't a PS5 situation where more units will be produced and the demand will carry over, they make nothing by under-producing these one-shot boxes unless they themselves are scalpers.


 
   
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I picked up a copy of Dominion simply because it was avalaible and I'd been pondering getting into AOS for awhile.

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 Sim-Life wrote:
Togusa wrote:
 Sim-Life wrote:
Togusa wrote:

Incorrect. They produce an obscene number of copies because the one problem GW does still have is they can't gage the popularity of their own products.


So why did they overproduce Dominion and not this one? Or Cursed City? Or Indomitus? Or the Sisters box? Or literally ANY other limited release? Why was Dominion so special?


Dominion was a direct response to the issues stemming from Indomitus and specifically, the Cursed City debacle. The action of doing the Made to Order is too costly for them, so this time they overproduced by a large amount. It's sold extremely well and there are a lot more AoS players out there now than there was 6 months ago. The AoS reddit page grew by 40% in the last month.


That doesn't address the fact that the Beastsnaggas box was apparently underproduced, despite 40k being vastly more popular than AoS and literally every other tabletop wargame game on the planet. You can't tell me GW couldn't have predicted this. So either GW over-estimated the demand for Dominion or they're deliberately under-producing 40k limited edition boxes for no gain or reason whatsoever. This isn't a PS5 situation where more units will be produced and the demand will carry over, they make nothing by under-producing these one-shot boxes unless they themselves are scalpers.


Maybe they thought Orks won't sell? I don't know, but you're instituting a false dichotomy by claiming only two possible options. I can't say I've seen all that many ork players over the years.
   
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 Sim-Life wrote:
Togusa wrote:

Incorrect. They produce an obscene number of copies because the one problem GW does still have is they can't gage the popularity of their own products.


So why did they overproduce Dominion and not this one? Or Cursed City? Or Indomitus? Or the Sisters box? Or literally ANY other limited release? Why was Dominion so special?


With the exception of Indomitus and Cursed City all of the LE boxes are faction specific and if they overproduce them they will be stuck with a product that might not move with a codex that competes with the normal one. Indomitus/Dominion style boxes you can still move even long after release as they are edition launch sets.
I mean, just look at the LE Lumineth box and how it was available in purgatory for quite some time after release. That was a release a lot of people were looking for as it meant the return of "high elves". Hell, Blood of the Phoenix also sold atrociously despite it being the return of resin figures in plastic.

Indomitus sold out simply because it is 40k. GW could sell Space Marine Warts and people would still line up and buy it.

Cursed City appears to be something that GW does not want to disclose. Remember that they were willing to put up Made to Order for Indomitus but not Cursed City even if there was heavy demand so I assume there is something larger going behind the scenes regarding Cursed City we won't know until some insider spills the eventual beans.

So the answer is: I assume they made enough Dominion sets to closely match the Indomitus sets. The difference is that everyone and their mother has a functional Marine army whereas the AoS playerbase does not have the rapid fandom for all things Space Marines so not everyone wants Stormcast or Orks(Orruks in the vernacular).

I think Dominion not selling out was more that AoS just isn't as popular as people would have you believe.


It is popular. Not Space Marine popular - because we must all by now realize that 40k is just Space Marines - but still popular.

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Our three FLGS are sitting on lots of Dominion boxes with no signs of selling them. Indomitus never touched the shelves - those were all snapped up by the local gaming community on day one. I wonder if GW planned the Dominion production off real AOS data and not just an assumption that it would sell like Indomitus? I hope that the stores can afford to sit on this much stock.

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The big difference of why they would consider overproduction of dominon ok, is that as a core product they can assume it will bring in a lot more sales to have it accessible and on the shelves for the time being.

This one is more a supplemental product that will all be for sale latter I assume. The FOMO value is higher and creates a product scarcity that will effect future sales. People will run for these releases if they can keep the stock low enough to sell out fast. But too fast and people may give up.

They probably not very good at judging demand for products and how to make demand. As for ork players this looks like a awesome box.
   
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DarkerBlue wrote:
They should just charge higher prices. If the demand is that high, why shouldn't they?

Rather a free market than a lottery

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I'm surprised some of the local stores here have room for any new kits due to the amount of dominion boxes still sitting on the shelves.

   
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Apple fox wrote:
The big difference of why they would consider overproduction of dominon ok, is that as a core product they can assume it will bring in a lot more sales to have it accessible and on the shelves for the time being.

This one is more a supplemental product that will all be for sale latter I assume. The FOMO value is higher and creates a product scarcity that will effect future sales. People will run for these releases if they can keep the stock low enough to sell out fast. But too fast and people may give up.

They probably not very good at judging demand for products and how to make demand. As for ork players this looks like a awesome box.


I think GW just over- and underestimates people's desire for certain boxes. Wrath and Rapture - a dual box for both systems- was available on their store for nearly a year. Blood of the Phoenix was available months after launch, as well as the Lumineth Realmlords. Then you have boxes like Carrion Empire and Looncurse(my FLGS got just 2 of those) that disappear just as quickly as they appear. Hell, even Speedfreekz was available 7 months later in my FLGS after release so my guess is that it is easier said than done to estimate how much of each will sell.

What I can tell from my FLGS is that they don't mind sitting on the Dominion boxes as they will sell as they are a good deal getting started in the game for 2 players, whereas many of the dual boxes and battleforces are a harder product to move they still have in stock. I think my FLGS still has like 6-7 of the Battleforce IG boxes sitting around that just won't move.

Ultimately my problem with the Snagga box is that it is literally an Early Access product(like in computer games) which is a format I loathe with a passion.

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yes, I suspect the BS box was driven more by the early access to Codex than to the models themselves.
   
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 bullyboy wrote:
yes, I suspect the BS box was driven more by the early access to Codex than to the models themselves.


I agree, which makes me fear they will continue with this approach in the foreseeable future.

   
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Cronch wrote:
DarkerBlue wrote:
They should just charge higher prices. If the demand is that high, why shouldn't they?

Rather a free market than a lottery

After all, why should the poors be allowed to enjoy things.

This is poverty in 2021. Not being able to afford as many plastic space soldiers as other people.

   
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 Eldarsif wrote:


Ultimately my problem with the Snagga box is that it is literally an Early Access product(like in computer games) which is a format I loathe with a passion.


Its... not. Early access is all about charging customers for the work in progress. Literally the consumers are paying the company to be beta testers. For indie devs, its sometimes the only way they have enough money to see the game through to completion (though that doesn't excuse the way it gets abused)

For all its sins, this is a complete product. As finished as it will be in 2 or 3 (or 6) months when the codex is released on its own. (which is to say there will be errors that they should have caught, but the timing and format of this box don't have any effect on that).
The solo release of the codex will likely have a slightly different cover, but no change in content.

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That is one way to define "early access" - certainly, it's a valid definition, and the situation you describe is certainly common.

However, people who buy this limited box will have "Access" to the codex "Earlier" than the full, unlimited release of the dex. This cannot be denied- it is the literal, and obvious truth.

So even if it doesn't fit the tight parameters of a specific policy which also goes by the name of Early Access (TM), it is still early access when you just look up the words early and access in any ole dictionary.
   
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 bullyboy wrote:
I'm surprised some of the local stores here have room for any new kits due to the amount of dominion boxes still sitting on the shelves.



That's not on GW, that's on those stores for over ordering.

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Voss wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:


Ultimately my problem with the Snagga box is that it is literally an Early Access product(like in computer games) which is a format I loathe with a passion.


Its... not. Early access is all about charging customers for the work in progress. Literally the consumers are paying the company to be beta testers. For indie devs, its sometimes the only way they have enough money to see the game through to completion (though that doesn't excuse the way it gets abused)

For all its sins, this is a complete product. As finished as it will be in 2 or 3 (or 6) months when the codex is released on its own. (which is to say there will be errors that they should have caught, but the timing and format of this box don't have any effect on that).
The solo release of the codex will likely have a slightly different cover, but no change in content.


Still an early access product by the definition of the words "Early" and "Access", which you get if you buy this box - you get an early access to the codex ahead of everyone else.
   
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DarkerBlue wrote:
Cronch wrote:
DarkerBlue wrote:
They should just charge higher prices. If the demand is that high, why shouldn't they?

Rather a free market than a lottery

After all, why should the poors be allowed to enjoy things.

This is poverty in 2021. Not being able to afford as many plastic space soldiers as other people.


Being able to afford toy soldiers is a 1st world problem in the first place, but GWs pricing is classist enough I see no reason to add to it. Boomers can wait in line with the rest of us.
   
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The main appeal of the beast Snaggas Box is a proper discount at a time where GW is driving its prices higher and higher. Also if you're interested in Beast Snaggas you'll want everything in the Box at some point, there are no "useless" sets in there Veterans already have lots of and newbies get a proper start no matter if they're focused on narrative or organized play. The codex is just icing on top.
   
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For me the codex was the reason to get the box. Getting the models I liked anyways at a discount is just bonus.

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 Platuan4th wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
I'm surprised some of the local stores here have room for any new kits due to the amount of dominion boxes still sitting on the shelves.



That's not on GW, that's on those stores for over ordering.


Including the GW store....

No, it's just not selling like Indomitus, period.
   
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