In a perfect world, what faction would you add to 40k?

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**TinyLegions**

Blackie wrote:
Mixed race space pirates. Basically humans, orks and elves who aren't aligned to chaos, imperium or other flags. Not necessarily with a Mad Max vibe with ramshackle vehicles, they can even be quite advanced in technology but with some degrees as they'd still come in gangs, not empires.

I'd settle with a full human new faction, as long as they aren't aligned to chaos or imperium.

This right here. But if I can't have this then a new alien race. After that traitor guard, but please for the love of all that is holy no more armies in power armor.

**BrianDavion**

I'd not add any armies instead I'd add supplements for the other armies. proper sub faction supplements like marines have

**epronovost**

AnomanderRake wrote:
Then I might try doing the Inquisition properly.

Inquisition, if they ever return, should return in Kill Team or hell, return in Inquisitor.

**Argive**

At a point like this is when I cry inside for missing out on Liber Xenologis... :(

Id like to see the Cabal. Im sure the cabal can muster and army made up of all the different races and planets that make up its members.
I recon there would be some wierd gak there

If that fails I would love to see some sort of non bipedal humonoid aliens
The rulebook has some crazy art.

**Marshal Loss**

Emperor's Children.

**AnomanderRake**

epronovost wrote:
AnomanderRake wrote:
Then I might try doing the Inquisition properly.

Inquisition, if they ever return, should return in Kill Team or hell, return in Inquisitor.

As long as I get a good loads-of-random-bits Retinue box I'm happy.

**Stormonu**

Cat Girls. A faction to fight (or possibly ally with) my Tau, along the lines of the sort of conflicts you would see between Space Marines and Sisters of Battle.

**Pointer5**

My choices would be

Squats
Kroot
Exodites

They all have plenty of background.

**bullyboy**

Fallen fully fleshed out...

Daemon Prince, characters, chosen, etc.

**TinyLegions**

Stormonu wrote:
Cat Girls. A faction to fight (or possibly ally with) my Tau, along the lines of the sort of conflicts you would see between Space Marines and Sisters of Battle.

Like Thunder Cats?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgTMNO0PJxY

**H.B.M.C.**

Snarky Answer: Chaos Space Marines.

Real Answer: Lost & The Damned.

**Gadzilla666**

Not Online!!! wrote:
Just give us the IA13 list back, then fix the demagogue devotions up a bit so that a propper darkmech army is possible. (which is addmittedly not much only really more access to the newer Daemonengines if need be.)

There Traitorguard / Renegades AND Dark mech done.

^^^^^THIS. But with plastic models, as later stated.

And please, give Emperor's Children and World Eaters their own codexes before their fans explode from anticipation.

**Hellebore**

Ok, so the title of the thread is 'in a perfect world [...]'.

I'm going to take that to mean that a perfect world 40k has all the existing armies updated and expanded.

Therefore I'm only being asked to add to the 'existing' perfect world 40k.

So I would add:

Exodites (because dino riders are awesome)
Tau auxiliaries (with a massive rebuild and expansion of the kroot plus lots of new aliens)
Squats (because the concept is no more or less ridiculous than orks and eldar)

then may be a new alien race.

**H.B.M.C.**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
And please, give Emperor's Children and World Eaters their own codexes before their fans explode from anticipation.

And preferably before the CSM Codex as well, so we're not with a CSM Codex that is instantly out of date.

**Arachnofiend**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
And please, give Emperor's Children and World Eaters their own codexes before their fans explode from anticipation.
And preferably before the CSM Codex as well, so we're not with a CSM Codex that is instantly out of date.

How long do we want to wait for 2 wound chaos marines, exactly?

**Gadzilla666**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
And please, give Emperor's Children and World Eaters their own codexes before their fans explode from anticipation.
And preferably before the CSM Codex as well, so we're not with a CSM Codex that is instantly out of date.

Agreed, though I'd prefer a simultaneous release (however unlikely that is).

**H.B.M.C.**

Arachnofiend wrote:
How long do we want to wait for 2 wound chaos marines, exactly?

10th Edition, clearly.

**Apple fox**

Apart from filling in the gaps needed.
Sisters of silence, lost and damned and others of similarly needs.

A new addition I think would be a Tau empires ally codex.
Or a Mercenary codex.
Groups of aliens, planets that are too small to mount full scale war alone. But tend to ally with each other to show a more powerful front but internally more independent.
And easy to add to it with small groups of kits as well, and can be a way to bring in some unusual kits that wouldn’t really be a good idea or expand to full army.

**ChiliPowderKeg**

Pan Fo

**H.B.M.C.**

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:
Pan Fo

That's a deep dive.

**Grimtuff**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
ChiliPowderKeg wrote:
Pan Fo
That's a deep dive.

One day, they will be reviled(sic).

Anyone remember THE POLICE as well?

**harlokin**

Blackie wrote:
Mixed race space pirates. Basically humans, orks and elves who aren't aligned to chaos, imperium or other flags. Not necessarily with a Mad Max vibe with ramshackle vehicles, they can even be quite advanced in technology but with some degrees as they'd still come in gangs, not empires.

I'd settle with a full human new faction, as long as they aren't aligned to chaos or imperium.

The former for me too.

Hard pass on new human faction, I want the Imperium broken up into multiple seperate factions.

**moreorless**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dark Mechanicum 100%.

They’re pretty much the powerhouse of Chaos.

Without them? No Daemon Engines. No Daemon Weapons. No supply lines. No war gear.

Plus, when you stop and consider the horrors sanctioned by The Adeptus Mechanicus, and of course it’s forebear the Mechanicum? I’m intrigued to see the outright horrors that get you kicked out and declared Heretek beyond fiddling with Abominable Intelligence.

Quick primer? During the Great Crusade, Thallaxi (a divergent Power Armour programme) were essentially Robocop 2. The brain, eyes and central nervous system hooked up to a chassis. The rest of the body discarded, and by no means comprised of volunteers. And that was the people they treated well

The frontline chaffe were of course Tech Thralls. You might consider them as precursors to Skitarii. And you’d be wrong. Tech Thralls were just people like you and I, with a control helm bolted onto and into our brain. Tech Thralls have no control over their bodies, at all. But the subject is otherwise fully conscious. Nevermind the crucibles you’re thrown into, how terrifying and inhuman must it feel to be fully *there*, but with no choice in the matter?

Give me Dark Mechanicum. Give them to me now, dammit.

You could argue as well I spose that existing demon engine models mean they wouldnt be THAT difficult to introduce, you'd already have a pretty solid lineup for vehicular support.

There does seem to be strong potential for making them more than simply an evil(er) mirror of an imperial faction with more of a tech/demon fusing plus the potential for more AI like technology, could make even play on Dark Mech forces discovering AI tech from the DAOT like the Men of Iron.

I admit I would still like to see Titan Legions on either side get more fleshed out rules in a codex, the current ones really designed for Apoc but the odd game against someone with the models would be more fun we had rules to say target different parts of the body, take out certain weapons for example.

**mrFickle**

hobojebus wrote:
ccs wrote:
Squats.
They've existed since day 1 and, unlike the Exodites, they actually had models & an actual army.

This, you could have some really cool mech suits and tanks and a return of attack bikes.

Although I would love to see the sqauts come back I would prefer it if there weren’t another army in a parade of battle suits and motor bikes. Id rather something we haven’t seen on the table top yet

**Sgt. Cortez**

Just because my favourites have been mentioned several times already I'll throw in Hrud or Enslavers.
Both have been mentioned in the background for a long time and seem to be dangerous to the other factions (more so than Tau probably

).

Chaos Eldar would be nice, too. The artwork in the 8th edition rulebook hinted at them and it would be nice to see something else than humans in Chaos.

**Togusa**

I wouldn't add anything. I personally feel there are far too many choices already, and because of the large number of choices the development team cannot possibly keep all of them up-to-date AND balanced with each other. Just look at the mess Chaos is at current. (Not sure if it has been fixed yet, but the app wouldn't even let you run Belakor unless he was devoted to Khorne....) and that's nothing to say of the busted Ad Mech release when paired with the lack luster treatment of xenos factions such as Tyranids, GSC and any Eldar not lucky enough to own a bicycle. The game is a flipping mess at current and *some* of that is a direct result of there being way too many different factions, all of which are in various stages of being updated. At last count I require FOUR books just to run my Chaos Marines and they still blow donkey when compared to just about anything that isn't Tyranids or Grey Knights.

**the_scotsman**

Order of priority:

1) LOTD, as others have said combine dark mech with traitor guard. And please, let them be half-decent, don't give them fething GSC syndrome where all their units are trash because gw is afraid someone will kill little timmy's space marine captain and make him cry.

2) Emperor's Children and World Eaters. I'd much rather see codexes for each of the chaos gods forces combined than the current 'everything is a mishmash with minimal flavor' setup. Glam rock synthwave dreadlords pretty pls, and out of fairness the boring khorne fans can have their all-melee only-melee slogfest.

3) Tau Empire Allies. All the minor xenos goodness all grouped together, also put some human auxiliaries in there too!

**H.B.M.C.**

moreorless wrote:
You could argue as well I spose that existing demon engine models mean they wouldnt be THAT difficult to introduce, you'd already have a pretty solid lineup for vehicular support.

You could argue that, sure, but aside from the Defiler (and perhaps the Plagueburst Crawler), the Daemon Engines in the CSM list are more Daemon Engine than they are Daemon Engine. I'd expect Dark Mechanicus constructs to look more like twisted and warped machines than bio-mechanical creatures.

moreorless wrote:
There does seem to be strong potential for making them more than simply an evil(er) mirror of an imperial faction with more of a tech/demon fusing plus the potential for more AI like technology, could make even play on Dark Mech forces discovering AI tech from the DAOT like the Men of Iron.

I dunno if they could just get away with Skitarii... but Evil! It'd have to be more than that, with some emphasis on the Dark part of 'Dark Mechanicus'. Not necessarily the inclusion of AI - I'd imagine that the Dark Mech have the same issues with Abominable Intelligences - but more the no constraints/science gone wild (and evil!!!) that them moving away from the stricture of the Mechanicum.

moreorless wrote:
I admit I would still like to see Titan Legions on either side get more fleshed out rules in a codex, the current ones really designed for Apoc but the odd game against someone with the models would be more fun we had rules to say target different parts of the body, take out certain weapons for example.

AT got a Loyalist book. Stands to reason that they'll get a traitor book. The (relatively primitive) licensed AT game has a Banelord Titan in it, and its rare that video game studios (or any licensee) get to invent new things* like that, so it's a slight indication that that might be the 'big' unit for that book.

*I know the Banelord isn't new, but this representation of it is.

**GoldenHorde**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Arachnofiend wrote:
How long do we want to wait for 2 wound chaos marines, exactly?
10th Edition, clearly.

Chaos players already have enough wounds...

Try the chicken folks

**Commisar Marbh**

TheBestBucketHead wrote:
I'd add Dark Mechanicum, but would rather there be rules for Dark Mechanicum, Traitor Guard, and CSM in the same book.

I'd like to see a lot of codex's smushed. I know they split to make more money, but if health of game were more a concern, the should go back to the bigger books of RT era.

1. All Space Marines in one
2. All Chaos in another
3. All Xenos in a 3rd
4. All non SM Imperium in a 4th

4 big books, all the armies. They could sell e-book subsections cheaper if people didn't want the whole thing.