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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
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 Insane Ivan wrote:
 kodos wrote:

overall this looks very much like a "damage control" thing in 2 ways
first to counter the "close to minimum wage" talks of the last days, but also to secure investors that the "new hot thing" is just not one time but that the market will grow much bigger by going into China

I can't imagine GW decided to pay out 10.6 million pounds in bonuses as a response to a Twitter conversation happening over the past few days. What business makes such major decisions based on that, and in such a short timeframe?


They didn't. The bonus was detailed in their financial results from months ago. The fact this is only now being covered in the national media suggests the GW PR department are earning their money (and bonus) in light of the recent Twitter conversations.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
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 kodos wrote:
 Insane Ivan wrote:

I can't imagine GW decided to pay out 10.6 million pounds in bonuses as a response to a Twitter conversation happening over the past few days. What business makes such major decisions based on that, and in such a short timeframe?.

they did in spring this year, it just did not make it to the newspapers until the Twitter conversation happened


still a little befuddled about it reaching The Guardian seeing as we are all stinky wammin hating right wing dingbats not the liberal elite that paper usually services, although they do appear to have a geek culture quota as there is usually a gaming article about once a month so this could just be something thats been sat on for a while as The Event has derailed the usual boardgame cafe one

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can always be coincidence

don't know how fast papers are in the UK with social media stuff, reacting to Twitter or Reddit, but here having an Online Article within a day of something that is going on on Twitter/Reddit/FB to put another opinion on it or to shine a better light on the company covered (usually the left-wing papers are faster in that)

so could just be me because I am used to that kind of thing here

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 Turnip Jedi wrote:
 kodos wrote:
 Insane Ivan wrote:

I can't imagine GW decided to pay out 10.6 million pounds in bonuses as a response to a Twitter conversation happening over the past few days. What business makes such major decisions based on that, and in such a short timeframe?.

they did in spring this year, it just did not make it to the newspapers until the Twitter conversation happened


still a little befuddled about it reaching The Guardian seeing as we are all stinky wammin hating right wing dingbats not the liberal elite that paper usually services, although they do appear to have a geek culture quota as there is usually a gaming article about once a month so this could just be something thats been sat on for a while as The Event has derailed the usual boardgame cafe one


try not to assume the entire geek culture conforms to your world views, kay?

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 Turnip Jedi wrote:
And just a few days after the other thing...how lucky

Also The Guardian is a shambles largely written by and for toddlers (said as a grumpy old leftie)



The bonus they're discussing was several months ago. The idea a multinational just dished out cash to all it's employees to quell the (frankly fething endless) moaning of one passive aggressive, 'needy', constantly bitching ex-employee as he vomits his many shots at a former employer from a couple of years ago all over social media, who flounced from a job many would kill for because his umpteenth demand for yet more cash was turned down, is reaching a bit...

Also, someone tell him that potential new employers of Freelance workers don't like people who basically spend their days unceasingly moaning about how they were wronged by their former employer and then cite examples that the average employee in a real job wouldn't even notice.



 
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:
 kodos wrote:
 Insane Ivan wrote:

I can't imagine GW decided to pay out 10.6 million pounds in bonuses as a response to a Twitter conversation happening over the past few days. What business makes such major decisions based on that, and in such a short timeframe?.

they did in spring this year, it just did not make it to the newspapers until the Twitter conversation happened


still a little befuddled about it reaching The Guardian seeing as we are all stinky wammin hating right wing dingbats not the liberal elite that paper usually services, although they do appear to have a geek culture quota as there is usually a gaming article about once a month so this could just be something thats been sat on for a while as The Event has derailed the usual boardgame cafe one


try not to assume the entire geek culture conforms to your world views, kay?


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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
... to quell the (frankly fething endless) moaning of one passive aggressive, 'needy', constantly bitching ex-employee as he vomits his many shots at a former employer from a couple of years ago all over social media, who flounced from a job many would kill for because his umpteenth demand for yet more cash was turned down, is reaching a bit...


? James has been normally very positive about GW and the people he worked with. Even in that thread he is positive about them. He left a job many would love, for the same reason many others do. The pay is poor. Clearly GW can leverage peoples desire to work there to pay low salaries. The reality is if you want to have a family in an urban location, £20,000 a year (currently $27,000 at present exchange rates) as a salary isn't enough. Good on him for asking. My kid is all grown up and my biggest cost is my toy addiction, so I can be in a similar low paid job that is interesting for what I do in it. If I was more mercenary I could take my experience and the £350K+ that has been spent training me and go back overseas for higher pay, but it wouldn't be as interesting. Point is I can afford that choice. £20k and a kid? He couldn't.
   
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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:
And just a few days after the other thing...how lucky

Also The Guardian is a shambles largely written by and for toddlers (said as a grumpy old leftie)



The bonus they're discussing was several months ago. The idea a multinational just dished out cash to all it's employees to quell the (frankly fething endless) moaning of one passive aggressive, 'needy', constantly bitching ex-employee as he vomits his many shots at a former employer from a couple of years ago all over social media, who flounced from a job many would kill for because his umpteenth demand for yet more cash was turned down, is reaching a bit...

Also, someone tell him that potential new employers of Freelance workers don't like people who basically spend their days unceasingly moaning about how they were wronged by their former employer and then cite examples that the average employee in a real job wouldn't even notice.

Dude makes one tweet and you decide it means he spends his days moaning "constantly". Someone needs a chill-pill, or ask the corporate to turn down the voltage in your control panel.
   
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? James has been normally very positive about GW and the people he worked with.


He's bleated since he left, on and off, but ever since leaving GW. Or tried to claim the glories for things completed after he flounced.

Bloody poor form and a very clear message to anyone that was considering taking him on that he's a precocious and difficult, high maintenance type to deal with. He also blurts all over various social media about perceived slights against him from years back. Move on and move up instead of wallowing, it's not a good look or suggestive of a mature character. Airing your (old) dirty linen like this all the time reeks of attention seeking and gets you the wrong attention.

I've worked for corporations throughout my career and what he's been talking about, as though it's some form of horrific abuse, is frankly laughable. He made the decision to leave, some years ago, but is still bemoaning instead of promoting and moving forward.

If it was 20k, that is low imo, but that's what the job pays, you don't like it, you get promoted or you leave for more money. I get paid more than that, but I don't get to write rules and stories, I get to deal with difficult and hostile people and exacting laws and procedure. We can't get jobs we truly love for the money we can live in luxury for (mostly), or I'd be working at a public aquarium or tending a garden somewhere. What this guy does and is doing in his posting, is basically endlessly repeating 'life is unfair' and the rest of us are already aware of that. GW isn't and wasn't some terrible gulag, he wasn't on an Amazon packing facility or working the registers at Walmart or otherwise doing some backbreaking or thankless task. I'm over listening to him prattle about how he was 'done wrong'.




 
   
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Imagine defending a multi-million pound company's poor employee treatment for free.

I wouldn't be surprised if people took a bullet for the Sigmarine statue in Nottingham at this point.

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 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
GW has 2,191 employees which works when you divide the 10.6M by 5K.

The pay rises across the board amounted to 7.8%, which is pretty hefty by normal standards.

Total staff costs are 99.9M making the average salary at GW a bit above 45K pounds as an average.





Eh, I don't know about that. You can't assume 100% of staff costs are salary. No clue how benefits packages work in the UK or whether they are part of this, but there's likely still other overhead that would go into a "staff cost" number. I would be pretty surprised if the average salary was over twice what Hewitt was making (even though I wouldn't be surprised if he was making below the median.)

Levels.fyi for hobbyists when?


True, but I have no idea how that stuff works in the UK. In the US my employer pays like 50% of insurance, which is like $9000 a year for garbage insurance. I imagine the UK bills that through taxes instead.

   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
GW has 2,191 employees which works when you divide the 10.6M by 5K.

The pay rises across the board amounted to 7.8%, which is pretty hefty by normal standards.

Total staff costs are 99.9M making the average salary at GW a bit above 45K pounds as an average.





Eh, I don't know about that. You can't assume 100% of staff costs are salary. No clue how benefits packages work in the UK or whether they are part of this, but there's likely still other overhead that would go into a "staff cost" number. I would be pretty surprised if the average salary was over twice what Hewitt was making (even though I wouldn't be surprised if he was making below the median.)

Levels.fyi for hobbyists when?


True, but I have no idea how that stuff works in the UK. In the US my employer pays like 50% of insurance, which is like $9000 a year for garbage insurance. I imagine the UK bills that through taxes instead.


Yeah, that is true, basically any comparison with salaries in the US has to take into account the fact that like 10k a year of what you make in the us is "Oh, you wanted to not die if you get sick or have an accident? Well in that case...." but still even accounting for that if true that number is pretty silly. The mcdonalds across the street from me is currently advertising for a night shift job that pays almost twice that....

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Until very recently I was on a salary similar and sometimes lower and let me tell you 20k sucks ass. Considering how much of your monthly salary goes into rent, bills, pension fund, taxes etc minimum, it's not much to play with.

Nursing staff in the UK are on that band too and it's basically sod all. "It's a job you enjoy" should not mean you get paid feth all.

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 Arbitrator wrote:
Imagine defending a multi-million pound company's poor employee treatment for free.

I wouldn't be surprised if people took a bullet for the Sigmarine statue in Nottingham at this point.


Nah. People hate sigmarines. The older space marines statue though…
   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
GW has 2,191 employees which works when you divide the 10.6M by 5K.

The pay rises across the board amounted to 7.8%, which is pretty hefty by normal standards.

Total staff costs are 99.9M making the average salary at GW a bit above 45K pounds as an average.





Eh, I don't know about that. You can't assume 100% of staff costs are salary. No clue how benefits packages work in the UK or whether they are part of this, but there's likely still other overhead that would go into a "staff cost" number. I would be pretty surprised if the average salary was over twice what Hewitt was making (even though I wouldn't be surprised if he was making below the median.)

Levels.fyi for hobbyists when?


True, but I have no idea how that stuff works in the UK. In the US my employer pays like 50% of insurance, which is like $9000 a year for garbage insurance. I imagine the UK bills that through taxes instead.

Also note that average pay is a terrible indicator of the salary of normal employees. Executive compensation drastically skews the figure, so median pay is a much more meaningful figure.
   
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£20K for Nottingham isn't affordable to raise a family on. See other thread -- I turned down £18K for a studio role ten years earlier because even then it wasn't enough to move to Nottingham with my family. Not "oh gosh I wouldn't have enough for luxuries", more like "oh if I took this job I would get more into debt every month just paying basic costs of living."

Defending GW for that specific thing is frankly ridiculous.

They make very lovely miniatures, though.

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I can’t imagine trying to live on such a low income. Even with a £5000 bonus, that’s significantly below the median wage for the UK. Unfortunately, every business pays the minimum it feels it can get away with. Too many people think that working for GW would be their dream job. You want to earn a proper wage, better to get into a field where there’s a recruitment shortage.
   
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A bonus built on raising prices and offering less.

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So basically a guy actively chose to work for less than a living wage, and somehow it's the corporation's fault?

Seriously this is no different than all of you who pay the current prices. Hewitt is to blame for taking pay he didn't want, and doubly so if his co-parent wasn't supplementing said income.

There's a place in the town I work in that employs machinists for $11-13 US. I actively chose to work as a machinist for Caterpillar paying slightly less than $28. Had I chose the other facility to work for, I'd have nobody to blame but myself if I couldn't support my family.

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 Just Tony wrote:
So basically a guy actively chose to work for less than a living wage, and somehow it's the corporation's fault?

Seriously this is no different than all of you who pay the current prices. Hewitt is to blame for taking pay he didn't want, and doubly so if his co-parent wasn't supplementing said income.

There's a place in the town I work in that employs machinists for $11-13 US. I actively chose to work as a machinist for Caterpillar paying slightly less than $28. Had I chose the other facility to work for, I'd have nobody to blame but myself if I couldn't support my family.


While I can understand your point of view, it’s hard to defend a company paying what they know are poor wages, just because they can.
   
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It's the employees' fault they get paid like feth, obviously.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:
 kodos wrote:
 Insane Ivan wrote:

I can't imagine GW decided to pay out 10.6 million pounds in bonuses as a response to a Twitter conversation happening over the past few days. What business makes such major decisions based on that, and in such a short timeframe?.

they did in spring this year, it just did not make it to the newspapers until the Twitter conversation happened


still a little befuddled about it reaching The Guardian seeing as we are all stinky wammin hating right wing dingbats not the liberal elite that paper usually services, although they do appear to have a geek culture quota as there is usually a gaming article about once a month so this could just be something thats been sat on for a while as The Event has derailed the usual boardgame cafe one


try not to assume the entire geek culture conforms to your world views, kay?


I think hes sarcastically referencing an article the guardian made about warhammer where they said that players tended to be right wingers

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No, it's the employee's fault if they STAY in a job where they're getting paid like feth and don't explore other opportunities. It's their fault if they don't use an entry-level position as a platform for trading up to its fullest extent. And it's their responsibility to carefully assess their finances before taking a job with a given salary.

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 Just Tony wrote:
So basically a guy actively chose to work for less than a living wage, and somehow it's the corporation's fault?

Seriously this is no different than all of you who pay the current prices. Hewitt is to blame for taking pay he didn't want, and doubly so if his co-parent wasn't supplementing said income.

There's a place in the town I work in that employs machinists for $11-13 US. I actively chose to work as a machinist for Caterpillar paying slightly less than $28. Had I chose the other facility to work for, I'd have nobody to blame but myself if I couldn't support my family.

Except there obviously isn't enough of the $28 job to go around, otherwise the other firm wouldn't get away with paying only $11-13.
Living on a wage that you can't afford a home or to bring up your child should not be acceptable in this day and age. However, the rich will remain rich at the expense of the poor who are often working harder.

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He could have also either hopefully believed or might have been told that you start at X and with solid performance you can move up with presumably higher pay. Plenty of folks willing to do a probationary job in hopes of climbing up the ladder.

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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I can’t imagine trying to live on such a low income. Even with a £5000 bonus, that’s significantly below the median wage for the UK. Unfortunately, every business pays the minimum it feels it can get away with. Too many people think that working for GW would be their dream job. You want to earn a proper wage, better to get into a field where there’s a recruitment shortage.


Medians are screwed by outliers.



 
   
 
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