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 0XFallen wrote:
Specifically the Skitarii kill team.
First of all they dont have bionic rules, no abilities whatsoever. And then they didnt even exchange those rules for statlines.
What we end up with are scions, but worse in every, single, regard.
Less wounds, Less WS, Less and worse Special weapons, less movement ( rangers getting the heavy treatment with whats essentially a boltgun), no free coms guy giving APs, Scion leader has better equipment and an ability. Orders are also not only better, but also dont have downsides. Which is all in all just weird, so much tech and cyber transhumanism.

1) you get 11 guys instead of 10 (leader is additional if you take either ranger or vanguard leader)

2) you can stack 2 of the same weapon in your team if you like

3) the special weapons that can actually be compared appear to be comparable. Plasma caliver is identical to plasma gun, and the arc rifle loses the flexibility of the grenade launcher as it has no frag profile but gains the Stun rule which is solid vs MEQs. You can't compare the arequebus to a scion equivalent but it averages solidly double the damage of the guardsmen gunner sniper rifle.

4) galvanic rifles are bolters with P1, which means theyll be AP1 most of the time.

5) An all-scion team straight up does not get the Orders strategic ploys. They only work with Guardsman Sergeants. The only strategic order scions get is the 'do a mission action for free' which if they take the tempestor they also get to do for free. Also, orders stop working when I, your opponent, kills your one squishy squishy guardsman sergeant - doctrina imperatives are always there and always team-wide, they don't have a range.

Having played a game yesterday against a buddy, I have to say I was sleeping on Incursors based on how his performed (I played Sisters). No Cover on all your guys really cramps your opponent's options when it comes to moving around the battlefield safely under a hail of Bolter Discipline

I’ve been thinking of a pure genestealer list. With so much cover, their hidden horror rule and 10 bodies, you should be able to avoid being shot to death early on. With dual rending claws they are also highly accurate in CC so most things should die when charged. After watching the battle report with Glass half dead and vanguard tactics, the custodies don’t seem as scary as they look on paper. I worry more about a shooty horde list. You charge with a genestealer and shred your target then your left out in the open to get vaporized. All that said, are warriors really necessary to run with them?

Warriors bring durable shooting to the table, which helps your 'Stealers to live through multiple fights. With the attritional melee, it's good to have some shooting injure your targets so that the melee units can finish them off with the first attacks before being hit back.

Ooo, 10 'stealers? My Genestealer Invasion force rises from the ashes!

What do you guys think would be more appropriate for representing Arbites?

Guard with some sniper/grenade launchers,

Or Scouts with a mix of shotguns/snipers/bolters

Scion model with the Beret (might be the sgt or tempestor model, I’m not sure) and a shotgun.

Problem with 10 stealers is you can't then also fit a gaunt team and a warrior team on your roster.

 warmaster21 wrote:
What do you guys think would be more appropriate for representing Arbites?

Guard with some sniper/grenade launchers,

Or Scouts with a mix of shotguns/snipers/bolters

Rules-wise I'd say Scouts. They're said to be exceptionally trained and packing carapace armour and bolters.

Model wise the Necromunda Enforcers (a rung below Arbites) would be a good start, Scout models themselves are another good place to start.

 kirotheavenger wrote:

 warmaster21 wrote:
What do you guys think would be more appropriate for representing Arbites?

Guard with some sniper/grenade launchers,

Or Scouts with a mix of shotguns/snipers/bolters

Rules-wise I'd say Scouts. They're said to be exceptionally trained and packing carapace armour and bolters.

Model wise the Necromunda Enforcers (a rung below Arbites) would be a good start, Scout models themselves are another good place to start.

yeah I have enforcers, as well as old arbite models and some 3rd party arbites models, was just debating on what to run them as.

After the last few days of thinking on it (sparingly I admit) scouts definately seem to check off the most boxes.

yeah, scouts are the way to go IMO, mesh well with the enforcer kit.

5) An all-scion team straight up does not get the Orders strategic ploys. They only work with Guardsman Sergeants. The only strategic order scions get is the 'do a mission action for free' which if they take the tempestor they also get to do for free. Also, orders stop working when I, your opponent, kills your one squishy squishy guardsman sergeant - doctrina imperatives are always there and always team-wide, they don't have a range.

the rule is really badly worded but the way it works is scions always get the order and guardsmen only get the order if a guardsmen sergeant is within six or thru the vox caste.

Tried 10 stealers. Very frustrating game for opponent. He couldn't flank me due to size of board and the game was sneak sneak sneak, charge, die under hail of fire. VP win, 1 stealer and 2 injured marines left at the end.


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Saying that a lot of the Nid strats are for shooting, so they clearly expect you to have a mixed team.

Everyone's talked about Scouts already and I second that, they're really good and flexible. I'm personally a big fan on the Shotguns as you're likely to simply overwhelm possible saves by scoring 4 hits most of the time. I'm currently running 1 Sniper Sargent, 2 Snipers, 1 Heavy Bolter, 1 Missile Launcher, 5 Shotguns. Using 9 EP to allow the Sargent, Hvy Bolter, and Missile to fire as though they weren't Heavy.

The other list I really like right now is the Kroot. They've got a very fun theme is how they interact with orders, basically paying a combination of CP and AP to nearly change them at will. It was a great way to make a faction without a lot of options feel creative and flexible. Also the Krootox is a beast... pun intended.