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At least one of the following is going to happen:

1. Custodes get a 5++ standard and no special rule to buff it.

2. Storm shields will become something different, like the Ultramarines Vexatrix Guard shields, and still give a 3++.

If Custodes can be 4++ without storm shields, then storm shields are virtually useless.
   
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A 1+ save standing in the open is pretty damn good IMO.



In regard to GSC... Finally! I have been banging on the drum to change cult ambush to DS or infiltrate since the silly blips came out. The blips look cool and are a fantastic idea for a game the scale of KillTeam but are god awful on an entire hoard army.

Here's to hoping they fixed the Goliaths, I own 6 trucks and 3 rock grinders and I am hoping they are a bit more durable. Part of me feels like GW, being as predictable as they are, will just give them -1 damage since that appears to be 9ths golden goose rule but we will see. Also hoping the Magus and Pat can finally cast 2 spells base.

In regard to rending claws, I am guessing acolytes become base S3 otherwise S5 acolytes seems a tad much. That will of course really affect how the mining waepons work as well, but considering you could always take 2 per 5 dudes, I imagine those could easily just become MUCH cheaper.

The real proof will come in the points.

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 cuda1179 wrote:
At least one of the following is going to happen:

1. Custodes get a 5++ standard and no special rule to buff it.

2. Storm shields will become something different, like the Ultramarines Vexatrix Guard shields, and still give a 3++.

If Custodes can be 4++ without storm shields, then storm shields are virtually useless.


I could see 1. being the option, with Terminators getting a 4+ Inv. Losing a point of Inv for some models would be a tradeoff for gaining a wound and better MW negation.
   
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Not much of a surprise but here we are.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/30/warhammer-day-2021-take-the-fight-to-terra-itself-with-the-next-battle-box-and-codexes-for-warhammer-40000/

Unfortunately got a brood coven in a sweet Bundle I picked up second hand. But will probably still pick up the box and go splitsies with a custodes friend. I love the Saboteur sculpt. Really excited about the codex

   
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Today's stream mentioned that a lot of the current GSC pre-employment stratagems were being moved to rules you pay points/PL for instead during list building. Stratagems instead would be mostly "reactive" during the game.

Partially supports (but doesn't prove) the leaks in the OP
   
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Meh box. The standard characters and a box of neophytes? Versus Two.min squads of whatevers?

Yes, standard new character fomo, but there really isn't much here.

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Is this the most one-sided box GW ever produced?

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Why even put the SoS in the box when they're not going to be in the Codex. I mean obviously its because the SoS don't sell but why not just make the army Talons like in 30k?

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But Sisters are going to be in the new codex.
   
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 Gert wrote:
Why even put the SoS in the box when they're not going to be in the Codex. I mean obviously its because the SoS don't sell but why not just make the army Talons like in 30k?


They are in the new codex
   
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They... Are in the codex? Explicitly

....

As for one-sided, I've seen worse. It comes down to psyker and patriarch vs whatever custodes are left after shooting. For the one time anyone tries to fight this box as a real game.

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If nothing changes to allow GSC to actually survive standing on objectives then the army is still bad.

If they don't get to ignore the "no DS turn 1" rule like Drop Pods can they will still be bad.


9th edition you need to be able to hold objectives and you can't do nothing on turn 1 or you have to be so broken that you basically wipe the board on T2 which would obviously be a horrible design.
The whole army identify of GSC doesn't work in 9th edition.

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 Gert wrote:
Why even put the SoS in the box when they're not going to be in the Codex. I mean obviously its because the SoS don't sell but why not just make the army Talons like in 30k?

Reading is tough, huh?

The Shadow Throne box also contains Sisters of Silence. That’s because the new Codex: Adeptus Custodes combines the Talons of the Emperor into one book, adding the psyker-killing power of the Silent Sisters to your Shield Host.


I do kinda wish they'd called the book "Talons of the Emperor" now they've done this, though.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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If there's a decent discount I might pick this up. Be fun to paint one squad of Custodes and SoS and I like all the GSC models.

   
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 Dysartes wrote:

I do kinda wish they'd called the book "Talons of the Emperor" now they've done this, though.


That would have made sense to me as well. Although I wonder if they wanted to avoid any confusion from what would essentially have been a renaming of the faction? I could definitely see someone insisting there Adaptus Custodes Codex was still valid because the replacement had a different name
   
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I think this is the first 40K battle box where I’ve actually liked both of the factions. I might get this.
   
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GoatboyBeta wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:

I do kinda wish they'd called the book "Talons of the Emperor" now they've done this, though.


That would have made sense to me as well. Although I wonder if they wanted to avoid any confusion from what would essentially have been a renaming of the faction? I could definitely see someone insisting there Adaptus Custodes Codex was still valid because the replacement had a different name


I assume it's going to be at the $170 price point and it looks like it's going to clock in at ~$270 value. That's on the low side of recent value offered by such boxes, but still healthy, especially if you manage to snag one at a retailer who offers a discount. Here is the data:

Hexfire: $329

https://spikeybits.com/2021/08/save-40k-hexfire-battlebox-pricing-value.html

Piety & Pain: $311

https://spikeybits.com/2021/03/piety-pain-warhammer-40k-box-value-release-date.html

Prophecy of the Wolf: $258

https://spikeybits.com/2020/03/save-hobby-40k-prophecy-of-the-wolf-value.html
   
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Wait, so the Genestealer Cult (and by extension the Hive Mind/Tyranids) are on Terra...

This has massive fluff ramifications, also shows that the Tyranids/Hive Mind have achieved in a relatively small space of time what Chaos Space Marines haven't achieved since the Horus Heresy.

Would be hilarious if this results in the Genestealer Cult blowing up the Golden Throne!

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Terra is already riddled with Chaos cults, so it's hardly surprising that genestealers got there too.

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indeed, a cult being on Terra is not remotely surprising.
Terra is not some bastion of perfect virtue.
   
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 Ordana wrote:
indeed, a cult being on Terra is not remotely surprising.
Terra is not some bastion of perfect virtue.


Inquisitor Draco warned this would happen back in 1994!

 
   
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 Ordana wrote:
indeed, a cult being on Terra is not remotely surprising.
Terra is not some bastion of perfect virtue.

Heretic.
   
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In fact, the map in the 8th edition Codex: Genestealer Cults already shows Terra as an infected planet.
   
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IIRC the current Custodes dex has a small bit in the timeline about purging a Stealer cult on Terra. I don't think this is a global day of ascension deal. Most likely the lower levels of a Hive or two.
   
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GoatboyBeta wrote:
IIRC the current Custodes dex has a small bit in the timeline about purging a Stealer cult on Terra. I don't think this is a global day of ascension deal. Most likely the lower levels of a Hive or two.


Yes, around 50 of them went in and purged billions of genestealers.
Puts into perspective how painfully one-sided this box is.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
GoatboyBeta wrote:
IIRC the current Custodes dex has a small bit in the timeline about purging a Stealer cult on Terra. I don't think this is a global day of ascension deal. Most likely the lower levels of a Hive or two.


Yes, around 50 of them went in and purged billions of genestealers.
Puts into perspective how painfully one-sided this box is.



One sided if you throw everything on the table at the same time and shout "Fight".

How do the narrative missions affect the forces if you play the scenarios as written in the booklet?

What are the Victory conditions for those scenarios? Can the plucky underdog Cultists win simply by having a model alive at the end of a set number of turns?

I'll never know because I'm not in the market for this box, same as I didn't pick up the Thousand Sons/ Space Wolves one.


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ok, hear me out on this:

the custodies contents of this box are:

this new champion
3 termies
5 sisters.


unless i am mistaken, these boxes are partly intended to act as starters for these factions, so they contain a battle forged, match play legal detachment, yes? May not be a full 500 points, but the Hexfire one certainly managed that.

so, form that, we can make the following ductions:

The Blade Champion is a HQ choice. hes the only character in the force, he kinda has to be.

EITHER the termies OR the sister are moving to Troops. at 500points, you MUST use a Patrol detachment, which has a mandatory troops unit in it. Ergo, one of those two units (currently both elite choices) must be a troops choice.

thats intresting news..

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If you ask me (and I know nobody did), they completely screwed up Sisters of Silence back when they were released. They had wonderful art depicting a range of SOS units which distinctive appearances, but went with trying to do a complete force in a single kit. It’s one of the worst examples of the models not fitting the already established lore.
   
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xerxeskingofking wrote:
ok, hear me out on this:

the custodies contents of this box are:

this new champion
3 termies
5 sisters.


unless i am mistaken, these boxes are partly intended to act as starters for these factions, so they contain a battle forged, match play legal detachment, yes? May not be a full 500 points, but the Hexfire one certainly managed that.

so, form that, we can make the following ductions:

The Blade Champion is a HQ choice. hes the only character in the force, he kinda has to be.

EITHER the termies OR the sister are moving to Troops. at 500points, you MUST use a Patrol detachment, which has a mandatory troops unit in it. Ergo, one of those two units (currently both elite choices) must be a troops choice.

thats intresting news..


My money is on SOS's being moved to Troops.

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SoS being troops would be nice, mainly so you don't see the same standard multiple of 3-man shield squads used as the minimum troop choice for custodes.

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