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2021/09/27 01:38:23
Subject: Future of Classic Space Marines in Pop Culture
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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BrianDavion wrote:yukishiro1 wrote:I like the old marines because they fit with the older ideas about the setting. The tacticool look of Primaris ends up moving the setting subtly towards a more generic superhero kind of aesthetic as opposed to the medieval knight-monks in space that they were originally intended to be, in fitting with the original satire that 40k was supposed to be.
Incidentally I think GW has realized this to a certain extent, as we've seen a number of more properly gothic primaris releases since 9th, which is a good thing.
I KNOW MAN THESE GUYS ARE SOOO TACTICOOL!
I mean seriously, can we retire the "der hur hur tacticool" complaint?it applies maybe to vanguard marines sure but beyond that? I don't see it
Their second paragraph seemed to be referencing those minis.
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BlaxicanX wrote:A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
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2021/09/27 02:08:16
Subject: Future of Classic Space Marines in Pop Culture
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Eldarain wrote:BrianDavion wrote:yukishiro1 wrote:I like the old marines because they fit with the older ideas about the setting. The tacticool look of Primaris ends up moving the setting subtly towards a more generic superhero kind of aesthetic as opposed to the medieval knight-monks in space that they were originally intended to be, in fitting with the original satire that 40k was supposed to be.
Incidentally I think GW has realized this to a certain extent, as we've seen a number of more properly gothic primaris releases since 9th, which is a good thing.
I KNOW MAN THESE GUYS ARE SOOO TACTICOOL!
I mean seriously, can we retire the "der hur hur tacticool" complaint?it applies maybe to vanguard marines sure but beyond that? I don't see it
Their second paragraph seemed to be referencing those minis.
maybe, but I just think the tacticool thing was mostly a meme, yes the vanguard are a little tacticool arguably (granetd tacticool basicly means festooned with a buncha equipment that looks impressive to a layman but is not effective in actual combat, and thats something I'd argue has been at the core of 40k since the rogue trader days) but the inital batch of primaris where no more tacticool then the old school stuff. People I think mostly noted that primaris Marines had pouches on them. which marines always had, just no one ever bothered with on first born because they where too small to be worth the trouble
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2021/09/27 03:25:49
Subject: Future of Classic Space Marines in Pop Culture
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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BrianDavion wrote:yukishiro1 wrote:I like the old marines because they fit with the older ideas about the setting. The tacticool look of Primaris ends up moving the setting subtly towards a more generic superhero kind of aesthetic as opposed to the medieval knight-monks in space that they were originally intended to be, in fitting with the original satire that 40k was supposed to be.
Incidentally I think GW has realized this to a certain extent, as we've seen a number of more properly gothic primaris releases since 9th, which is a good thing.
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I KNOW MAN THESE GUYS ARE SOOO TACTICOOL!
I mean seriously, can we retire the "der hur hur tacticool" complaint?it applies maybe to vanguard marines sure but beyond that? I don't see it
I highlighted the part of my post you evidently failed to read in your haste to attack my opinion.
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2021/09/27 03:49:32
Subject: Future of Classic Space Marines in Pop Culture
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Focused Fire Warrior
Les Etats Unis
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BrianDavion wrote:yukishiro1 wrote:I like the old marines because they fit with the older ideas about the setting. The tacticool look of Primaris ends up moving the setting subtly towards a more generic superhero kind of aesthetic as opposed to the medieval knight-monks in space that they were originally intended to be, in fitting with the original satire that 40k was supposed to be.
Incidentally I think GW has realized this to a certain extent, as we've seen a number of more properly gothic primaris releases since 9th, which is a good thing.
I KNOW MAN THESE GUYS ARE SOOO TACTICOOL!
I mean seriously, can we retire the "der hur hur tacticool" complaint?it applies maybe to vanguard marines sure but beyond that? I don't see it
Even aside from the fact that tacticool models are objectively awesome and should be loved by everybody, a lot of this sentiment is fairly obviously pent-up anger about the infiltrators/reivers/incursors, dreadnought, and tactical go-kart. If those models didn't exist these complaints probably wouldn't either.
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Dudeface wrote: Eldarain wrote:Is there another game where players consistently blame each other for the failings of the creator?
If you want to get existential, life for some. |
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2021/09/27 09:25:27
Subject: Future of Classic Space Marines in Pop Culture
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Flipsiders wrote:BrianDavion wrote:yukishiro1 wrote:I like the old marines because they fit with the older ideas about the setting. The tacticool look of Primaris ends up moving the setting subtly towards a more generic superhero kind of aesthetic as opposed to the medieval knight-monks in space that they were originally intended to be, in fitting with the original satire that 40k was supposed to be.
Incidentally I think GW has realized this to a certain extent, as we've seen a number of more properly gothic primaris releases since 9th, which is a good thing.
I KNOW MAN THESE GUYS ARE SOOO TACTICOOL!
I mean seriously, can we retire the "der hur hur tacticool" complaint?it applies maybe to vanguard marines sure but beyond that? I don't see it
Even aside from the fact that tacticool models are objectively awesome and should be loved by everybody, a lot of this sentiment is fairly obviously pent-up anger about the infiltrators/reivers/incursors, dreadnought, and tactical go-kart. If those models didn't exist these complaints probably wouldn't either.
people live to complain, back before primaris came out people complained about whatever they decided to as well. space wolf chariots, etc. people tend to have a narrow definition of what they think 40k "should be" and get pretty picky if GW doesn't seem to nesscarily agree.
I mean seriously if we removed everything people complained about online.. I think we'd not have much left
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2021/09/27 09:33:46
Subject: Future of Classic Space Marines in Pop Culture
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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yukishiro1 wrote:BrianDavion wrote:yukishiro1 wrote:I like the old marines because they fit with the older ideas about the setting. The tacticool look of Primaris ends up moving the setting subtly towards a more generic superhero kind of aesthetic as opposed to the medieval knight-monks in space that they were originally intended to be, in fitting with the original satire that 40k was supposed to be.
Incidentally I think GW has realized this to a certain extent, as we've seen a number of more properly gothic primaris releases since 9th, which is a good thing.
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I KNOW MAN THESE GUYS ARE SOOO TACTICOOL!
I mean seriously, can we retire the "der hur hur tacticool" complaint?it applies maybe to vanguard marines sure but beyond that? I don't see it
I highlighted the part of my post you evidently failed to read in your haste to attack my opinion.
To be fair, you seemed to be trash talking the tacticool primaris man dudes, we can't be having that talk round these parts. Their tacticool is the tacticoolest, they are in fact so cool they may be Jazz musicians. Automatically Appended Next Post: BrianDavion wrote: Flipsiders wrote:BrianDavion wrote:yukishiro1 wrote:I like the old marines because they fit with the older ideas about the setting. The tacticool look of Primaris ends up moving the setting subtly towards a more generic superhero kind of aesthetic as opposed to the medieval knight-monks in space that they were originally intended to be, in fitting with the original satire that 40k was supposed to be.
Incidentally I think GW has realized this to a certain extent, as we've seen a number of more properly gothic primaris releases since 9th, which is a good thing.
I KNOW MAN THESE GUYS ARE SOOO TACTICOOL!
I mean seriously, can we retire the "der hur hur tacticool" complaint?it applies maybe to vanguard marines sure but beyond that? I don't see it
Even aside from the fact that tacticool models are objectively awesome and should be loved by everybody, a lot of this sentiment is fairly obviously pent-up anger about the infiltrators/reivers/incursors, dreadnought, and tactical go-kart. If those models didn't exist these complaints probably wouldn't either.
people live to complain, back before primaris came out people complained about whatever they decided to as well. space wolf chariots, etc. people tend to have a narrow definition of what they think 40k "should be" and get pretty picky if GW doesn't seem to nesscarily agree.
I mean seriously if we removed everything people complained about online.. I think we'd not have much left
Point of order, I love the space wolf floaty chariot, so there. Come at me bros.
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2021/09/27 09:46:39
Subject: Future of Classic Space Marines in Pop Culture
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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AngryAngel80 wrote:yukishiro1 wrote:BrianDavion wrote:yukishiro1 wrote:I like the old marines because they fit with the older ideas about the setting. The tacticool look of Primaris ends up moving the setting subtly towards a more generic superhero kind of aesthetic as opposed to the medieval knight-monks in space that they were originally intended to be, in fitting with the original satire that 40k was supposed to be.
Incidentally I think GW has realized this to a certain extent, as we've seen a number of more properly gothic primaris releases since 9th, which is a good thing.
<photos snipped>
I KNOW MAN THESE GUYS ARE SOOO TACTICOOL!
I mean seriously, can we retire the "der hur hur tacticool" complaint?it applies maybe to vanguard marines sure but beyond that? I don't see it
I highlighted the part of my post you evidently failed to read in your haste to attack my opinion.
To be fair, you seemed to be trash talking the tacticool primaris man dudes, we can't be having that talk round these parts. Their tacticool is the tacticoolest, they are in fact so cool they may be Jazz musicians.
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BrianDavion wrote: Flipsiders wrote:BrianDavion wrote:yukishiro1 wrote:I like the old marines because they fit with the older ideas about the setting. The tacticool look of Primaris ends up moving the setting subtly towards a more generic superhero kind of aesthetic as opposed to the medieval knight-monks in space that they were originally intended to be, in fitting with the original satire that 40k was supposed to be.
Incidentally I think GW has realized this to a certain extent, as we've seen a number of more properly gothic primaris releases since 9th, which is a good thing.
I KNOW MAN THESE GUYS ARE SOOO TACTICOOL!
I mean seriously, can we retire the "der hur hur tacticool" complaint?it applies maybe to vanguard marines sure but beyond that? I don't see it
Even aside from the fact that tacticool models are objectively awesome and should be loved by everybody, a lot of this sentiment is fairly obviously pent-up anger about the infiltrators/reivers/incursors, dreadnought, and tactical go-kart. If those models didn't exist these complaints probably wouldn't either.
people live to complain, back before primaris came out people complained about whatever they decided to as well. space wolf chariots, etc. people tend to have a narrow definition of what they think 40k "should be" and get pretty picky if GW doesn't seem to nesscarily agree.
I mean seriously if we removed everything people complained about online.. I think we'd not have much left
Point of order, I love the space wolf floaty chariot, so there. Come at me bros.
I do too for what it's worth, it's such a hilariously over the top combination of space marines, wolves and norse mythology (Thro had a chariot pulled by goats and I suspect that was what they where borrowing from)
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2021/09/27 09:51:32
Subject: Future of Classic Space Marines in Pop Culture
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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People complained about primaris marines being too clean (even if the original basic primaris units were equivalent of normal marine units like tacticals and devastators that have 0 bling to them) even when GW said clearly that they designed the first batches of marines as generic as possible and more blinged or chapter specific primaris would come later.
And look at that, 9th started with gothic primaris marines and now we have chapter specific primaris marines.
The only different batch of primaris were the Vanguard ones, those were tacticool, and is perfectly fine to dislike them, but is not like those replaced the classic marine aesthetic, they just gave a new twist for people that likes that.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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2021/09/27 10:13:56
Subject: Re:Future of Classic Space Marines in Pop Culture
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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And those who where around before primaris will remember people used to complain marines had too much bling on them./ in fact GW openly said they made the inital batch of primaris as clean as they did in part so that people could add their own bling as they liked.
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2021/09/27 16:54:34
Subject: Future of Classic Space Marines in Pop Culture
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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I really wish people would watch the couple voxcasts with Jes where they talk about designing Primaris.
The roll out sucks but all primaris units were designed at the same time as a cohesive whole. The piecemeal release is due to marketing and money reasons.
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2021/09/28 17:17:16
Subject: Future of Classic Space Marines in Pop Culture
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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BrianDavion wrote: Flipsiders wrote:BrianDavion wrote:yukishiro1 wrote:I like the old marines because they fit with the older ideas about the setting. The tacticool look of Primaris ends up moving the setting subtly towards a more generic superhero kind of aesthetic as opposed to the medieval knight-monks in space that they were originally intended to be, in fitting with the original satire that 40k was supposed to be.
Incidentally I think GW has realized this to a certain extent, as we've seen a number of more properly gothic primaris releases since 9th, which is a good thing.
I KNOW MAN THESE GUYS ARE SOOO TACTICOOL!
I mean seriously, can we retire the "der hur hur tacticool" complaint?it applies maybe to vanguard marines sure but beyond that? I don't see it
Even aside from the fact that tacticool models are objectively awesome and should be loved by everybody, a lot of this sentiment is fairly obviously pent-up anger about the infiltrators/reivers/incursors, dreadnought, and tactical go-kart. If those models didn't exist these complaints probably wouldn't either.
people live to complain, back before primaris came out people complained about whatever they decided to as well. space wolf chariots, etc. people tend to have a narrow definition of what they think 40k "should be" and get pretty picky if GW doesn't seem to nesscarily agree.
I mean seriously if we removed everything people complained about online.. I think we'd not have much left
^THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS is the games workshop hobby. The true pillar. Picking the one single piece of third edition era concept art from a white dwarf you remember from your childhood, and deciding that THAT is what 40k IS and anything ELSE is NOT true 40k and ANYONE who enjoys anything else is WRONG and BAD and must be TOLD THAT as much as possible.
Tau is not 40k, too gundam, too clean, too pandering to asian market
Orks is not 40k, too silly, too cartoony, not grimdark enough
Sisters is not 40k, mans hobby, jamming down our throat, stupid SJWs, took away my booba repentia
Chaos Daemons is not 40k, fantasy army, dumb that they dont have guns, should never have been in my 40k setting
Eldar is not 40k, too clean but also dark eldar too edgy, also gay, not allowed
Space Marines are not 40k, stupid new primaris, too tacticool, too modern, also covered in too much bling and grimdark gribble
Chaos Marines are not 40k, because, one time, GW made MY chaos marines who are cool logical atheists have to do with the chaos gods, and I dont get my own rules anymore, so thats not real 40k
Tyranids are not 40k, stupid boring bug army, no personality, boring
Necrons are not 40k, tomb kings in space, should not have remade them, way way better when they had no personality
Knights are not 40k, superheavies, in my game, unfair, should have stayed only allowed in apocalypse games
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2021/09/28 17:22:33
Subject: Future of Classic Space Marines in Pop Culture
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Primaris are dumb and Olcrons are better thoigh.
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2021/09/28 19:19:00
Subject: Future of Classic Space Marines in Pop Culture
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Battlefield Tourist
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@the_scotsman: I'm in this picture and I don't like it
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