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 Jidmah wrote:

Bago wrote:

 Big Mac wrote:
I have some new Ork buggies and they came on bases, but I won't use it as it looks dumb, any vehicle that's not a IK, dread, flier, and bigger than a bike doesn't get a base for me.

Yeah, my next question would be, how the ork players feel about being "forced" to base their buggies.

Bases look dumb, play dumb, but the rules is the rules.

There's no official rule about bases and bases sizes. Only tournament organizers may enforce their own house rules about bases, but they are indeed house rules. Playing ork buggies without bases is not illegal as there is no rule that impose ork players to do so.

Bases are parts of the model, leaving off a part of a model for gameplay reasons is modeling for advantage.

Considering how removing the base is all upside, I wouldn't allow it for another player, so for sure I wouldn't allow it to myself.

I don't know, it is possible to avoid gluing some parts of a model in order to make it look smaller but still legal. Spikes, antennas, some turrets, etc... they're part of the model but there's no rule that says that the player must glue them to the model.

Same with bases, and there's also the issue of models that had different bases, or no base at all, at the time of the purchase and now the same kit, or the updated one, comes with different bases. My 3rd edition metal ork dreadnought didn't have a base in its kit for example, I added it.

 Jidmah wrote:
Bases are parts of the model, leaving off a part of a model for gameplay reasons is modeling for advantage.

Considering how removing the base is all upside, I wouldn't allow it for another player, so for sure I wouldn't allow it to myself.

That sort of advantage is such tiny gw's　intentional imbalances are way bigger issue.

Players thinking gw game balance is such finetuned that that matters or that gw games can be used as game of skill are just kidding themselves.


Roll dice, see what happens, laugh at absurd events. Only thing gw games works at.

 Blackie wrote:
I don't know, it is possible to avoid gluing some parts of a model in order to make it look smaller but still legal. Spikes, antennas, some turrets, etc... they're part of the model but there's no rule that says that the player must glue them to the model.

Same with bases, and there's also the issue of models that had different bases, or no base at all, at the time of the purchase and now the same kit, or the updated one, comes with different bases. My 3rd edition metal ork dreadnought didn't have a base in its kit for example, I added it.

"There is no rule" is a fallacy. In general you are expected to play with fully assembled models, and most spikes and/or antennas are either optional to begin with or have to be glued onto the model.

There also is a huge difference between leaving off parts for aesthetic reasons or because they easily snap off, or to gain a massive advantage.

The base is one of the major downsides of buggies, without their bases, you can easily field twice as many without running into the traffic jam issue, hide more of them behind terrain, get more in combat, fit more through choke points and fight models higher up in ruins. Meanwhile, you lose nothing. Therefore, removing that drawback is just flat out cheating, on the same level as using epic sized models in 40k to make them easier to hide.

If you house-rule that running grot-sized stompas is fine, more power to you. But in general, it's not ok.

 Jidmah wrote:
Bases are parts of the model, leaving off a part of a model for gameplay reasons is modeling for advantage.

I'm good then. I leave them off (or add them) for aesthetic reasons.

 Jidmah wrote:
Considering how removing the base is all upside, I wouldn't allow it for another player, so for sure I wouldn't allow it to myself.

Ah, another TFG identified.
Look, if you feel you're being cheated because someone's ork buggy lacks that several MM side bulge the unnecessary oval base gives it? You've got a problem.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
I don't know, it is possible to avoid gluing some parts of a model in order to make it look smaller but still legal. Spikes, antennas, some turrets, etc... they're part of the model but there's no rule that says that the player must glue them to the model.

Same with bases, and there's also the issue of models that had different bases, or no base at all, at the time of the purchase and now the same kit, or the updated one, comes with different bases. My 3rd edition metal ork dreadnought didn't have a base in its kit for example, I added it.

"There is no rule" is a fallacy. In general you are expected to play with fully assembled models, and most spikes and/or antennas are either optional to begin with or have to be glued onto the model.

Except he's right. I can cite several examples of the same 40k models that come with different bases in different boxes (sometimes even in the same box). The notion of "official base sizes" in 40k is a crock of gak and you know it. It's all about aesthetics and nothing to do with "balance".

Carnifexes both appear on oval bases and 60mm round in different boxes
Nid Warriors both appear on 40mm and 50mm bases in different boxes
Crisis suit bases are all over the place from 40mm, 50mm and even the small flying bases.
Within the same bloody unit both Skitarii and GSC Neophytes comes with mixed base sizes as they are dependent on the aesthetics of the models and nothing to do with some perceived notion of "balance".
Before it was discontinued, the Lord Felthius kit had a LoC on a 40mm base, but the DI one comes with a 50mm base.

And those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

ccs wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Considering how removing the base is all upside, I wouldn't allow it for another player, so for sure I wouldn't allow it to myself.

Ah, another TFG identified.
Look, if you feel you're being cheated because someone's ork buggy lacks that several MM side bulge the unnecessary oval base gives it? You've got a problem.

Just checking... you are saying that I'M feeling cheated because ork buggys without bases are played against ME?

Wow. Wrong strawman, try again.

I'M not taking off those bases because that would be ME cheating my opponent. Might as well bring loaded dice, stretched tape and an extra 200 points while I'm at it. Because if the opponent wants a fair game, he's a TFG, right?
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 Grimtuff wrote:
Except he's right. I can cite several examples of the same 40k models that come with different bases in different boxes (sometimes even in the same box). The notion of "official base sizes" in 40k is a crock of gak and you know it. It's all about aesthetics and nothing to do with "balance".

Carnifexes both appear on oval bases and 60mm round in different boxes
Nid Warriors both appear on 40mm and 50mm bases in different boxes
Crisis suit bases are all over the place from 40mm, 50mm and even the small flying bases.
Within the same bloody unit both Skitarii and GSC Neophytes comes with mixed base sizes as they are dependent on the aesthetics of the models and nothing to do with some perceived notion of "balance".
Before it was discontinued, the Lord Felthius kit had a LoC on a 40mm base, but the DI one comes with a 50mm base.

And those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

So, what base do buggies come with, smart guy?

Or did you just feel the need to chip in worthless numbers while adding nothing?

Before you derail this further with your nonsense, I don't give a feth about tiny avatars on square bases. I do give a feth about completely changing how a model acts on the tabletop.
8th and 9th edition make a huge difference between based and unbased vehicles, the change is akin to mounting LRBT on flying stands for better LOS.


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Of course, there always is the option to act as if the base is there, just like you usually treat scratch-build vehicles like they were the "real" thing.

The other direction is much less problematic, as you just ignore the base and worst case it just adds a few inches of height, which rarely every amounts to anything.

EDIT- You know, what? Feth it. You're not even worth my time. Welcome to my ignore list.

I think the answer is model however you want, but if you want to play a tournament, check with the TO first and be prepared to change your models if you want to play. I reckon most will require up to date base sizes ie the most recent model for that unit eg ork boyz used to come on 25mm, now they come on 32mm, so you can use old models but they gotta be on 32mm.

For non-tournament games, just check it's cool with each opponent. Maybe have some bases and blue tac handy

GW does not have an official rule for matched play I can see anywhere, but I would be interested to know what they require at their tournaments.