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A redhead is shown walking down the street, center screen front and then back. It wasn't the actress that appers to be Catwoman. That screams Poison Ivy.

Pretty sure it's just Selina wearing a red wig.

There was at least one shot of a man with lots of scars on his face. We only see him from the right, so it could be Two-Face. Or maybe not, thus 'maybe'.

That's Penguin. He has scars on his right cheek.

 
   
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I'd say that's a "probable" on Catwoman (or at least Selina Kyle), though I didn't pick up anything that looks like Ivy or Two-Face.


A redhead is shown walking down the street, center screen front and then back. It wasn't the actress that appers to be Catwoman. That screams Poison Ivy.

There was at least one shot of a man with lots of scars on his face. We only see him from the right, so it could be Two-Face. Or maybe not, thus 'maybe'.


I doubt it's two face, assuming this is based on the long Halloween he won't apper in it. havey dent actually is a major character in the story but not as two-face. no spoilers as the comics worth reading WITHOUT knowing the story that said IIRC Harvey becomes two-face in the "sequal" series.


The Long Halloween is IIRC sort of the 2nd of a unoffical 2 part trilogy with part 1 being batman year 1, and the 3rd part being, I can't recall the name, but basicly deals with, among other things, Harvey becoming two face IIRC.

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I like the vibe its going for. Lot of room for that to go wrong, but in particular I like the feeling that its less about one particular villain and has more of the living world of Gotham vibe going on. Penguin and Catwoman look very well done, Pattinson seems good in costume as well. My main concerns are how Bruce is portrayed and that in general I'm not getting the Riddler one way or another.
   
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I like the vibe its going for. Lot of room for that to go wrong, but in particular I like the feeling that its less about one particular villain and has more of the living world of Gotham vibe going on. Penguin and Catwoman look very well done, Pattinson seems good in costume as well. My main concerns are how Bruce is portrayed and that in general I'm not getting the Riddler one way or another.


Yeah I really agree with the Gotham vibe. Supposedly 'Chinatown' was an influence. Gotham is definitely going to be a 'character' of sorts in the film -- where it never really was in the Nolan films -- and that especially makes sense considering one of the storylines they seem to be pulling from (it's hinted in the teaser trailer in an awesome little easter egg).



And yeah, the gangster with scars is Colin Ferrell (under a ton of makeup) as the Penguin. Supposedly he's in the movie for like 10 minutes or something. The red-haired woman is obviously Zoe Kravitz wearing a wig. I'd be surprised to see "villain overload" be an issue. It isn't an origin movie, and I don't think Reeves is following the standard superhero movie template with this. Penguin is likely someone he nabs looking for information or while chasing something else down.

Hell, Zsasz or Calendar Man or whomever could be in it also and it wouldn't be overload if what we're talking about is a cameo or brief interrogation. Where movies like SM3 went wrong is with packing in too many main/main-ish antagonists and cramming in origin stories for all of them. I think we can expect Pattison to be the dominant character in the film, and lot of these other characters to be kinda like faces that pass by briefly as he works on his case and advances through the plot.

Anyway, I also really like that as grounded as this is -- moreso than the Nolan films -- it's still somehow more comic-booky...I think thanks to the photography. It looks more like comic panel shots where the Nolan films were overall less stylish (although they still had their moments).

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The Long Halloween is IIRC sort of the 2nd of a unoffical 2 part trilogy with part 1 being batman year 1, and the 3rd part being, I can't recall the name, but basicly deals with, among other things, Harvey becoming two face IIRC.


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BrianDavion wrote:
The Long Halloween is IIRC sort of the 2nd of a unoffical 2 part trilogy with part 1 being batman year 1, and the 3rd part being, I can't recall the name, but basicly deals with, among other things, Harvey becoming two face IIRC.


Dark Victory?


thanks thats the one

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Interesting that they're hiding the Riddler's face. Something's probably going on there more than a question-shaped scar on his cheek or whatever, lol.

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Review embargo has lifted and they're coming in strong.

Gonna see it on Thursday. Was a little bummed that I didn't get an offer (as a DC Universe Infinite subscriber) to see it the week prior like I did with TSS and BoP. But it looks like this one will be worth the wait.

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Got my tickets for Saturday night. Avoiding any reviews or discussion until after that.

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I'm watching it this Friday. This is the first DC movie I've been actually excited to watch in years. I think Zoe as Catwoman was a great choice. I'm reserving judgment on Pattinson. The director has banked a gak load of goodwill with me on the quality of the Planet of the Apes reboots he's done, so I'm cautiously optimistic.
   
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Well...Reeves did it. That was the best Batman movie I've seen.


Edit: Adding some quick non-spoiler thoughts to my super-quick thought from last night:

There's no shortage of Batman doing Batman things, and in that way it feels the most like the comics of any Batman movie. It really is about him working a case, and it follows him for the vast majority of the film. It even has some noir-style narration. It definitely isn't an origin story...but in a way it still kinda is. I'll save more commentary about that part for the spoiler discussions. I thought the movie moved at a really good pace and I didn't feel the 3 hours.

Visually it's a treat. Greig Fraser crushed it...again. So many shots have the dramatic flair of comic book panels, but in a motion picture. Loved the way they shot some of the shadows, and how Batman comes out of them. The lighting is amazing.

The cast is terrific and spot-on. Some people may not like aspects of Pattinson's performance, but the film is about a young Batman at a particular stage of his development. Without spoiling anything, his Batman grows and clearly will continue to grow in the films to come. He's menacing in the suit and kind of subdued and broken out of it. Pattison has great chemistry with both Kravitz (Catwoman) and Wright (Gordon) in particular. The rooftop scenes are perfect. Dano is as great as we expected as the Riddler. And Kravitz was kind of a revelation for me...she's THE best Catwoman we've seen yet IMO. She's sexy, dangerous, flirty, shifty...felt right out of the comics for me.

When the Batmobile started up for the first time, I think I giggled like a kid. And...just go see it.

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Just came back from watching it. Gonna keep this totally spoiler free.

Cinematography was excellent. It's a beautiful looking film, hands down. Action and choreography are top notch. The performances are great. Pattinson was actually quite good I thought. You actually see him do detective work which I really appreciated. Not only that, but you actually see him get a couple of things wrong which was a genuine surprise. I think the soundtrack was absolutely killer as well.

What really kills this movie for me is the length. It's just way too long. I got very invested very quickly, but for the last hour I was pretty checked out. It's a real shame because it does so many things right. It's absolutely worth a watch though, I'd recommend a viewing for anyone even remotely interested in superhero movies.
   
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IMO, Robert Pattison was previously a B or C tier actor and to me it is always nice to see an actor advance or improve their career via legit performances. I don't know if I'll go see this in theaters, but I'm glad he's progressing so much.

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So regarding it being not an origin story, but still kinda that (recommend avoiding these if you plan to see the movie):

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The film is definitely dark and reminds one of a David Fincher film stylistically. But it's not all darkness for darkness's sake. The film is about him realizing what he's doing isn't working and that he needs to be something different and more. Darkness and light aren't just huge parts of the cinematography...they're underlying themes of the film and tie to Bruce's journey during the film. He starts as "I am the shadows" and "I'm vengeance", and a dangerous vigilante whom the public and cops don't trust, and starts to become (literally in the flooded arena scene) a light of hope within darkness. Bat signal...same thing, same theme. Starts as "a warning" but then promises to be become a literal light of hope.

While I'm sure future sequels will continue to have grittiness and darkness (because that's Gotham after all), I really appreciate that this is a Bruce/Batman who's 'climbing to the light'.





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IMO, Robert Pattison was previously a B or C tier actor and to me it is always nice to see an actor advance or improve their career via legit performances. I don't know if I'll go see this in theaters, but I'm glad he's progressing so much.


I don't think he was ever actually that. It was just that Twilight was B/C material. His body of work over the past 5-10 years is really good.

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Enjoyed it. It is an origin story but not the usual one, which is nice. The cinematography was really nice and the music was fitting. It was good to see it really be more of a mystery with Bat's actually getting to be a detective.

Riddler starts out strong but kind of falls into movie crazy by the end. On the other hand Farrel's Penguin was always fun when on screen.

His relationship with both Kyle and and Gordon with both well done and the groups had good chemistry.

I saw it pointed out somewhere else but apparently the name Batman is only said once or twice the whole time. The letters left behind by Riddler have it written on them but it isn't spoken out loud. I can only think of the one time it was said but there cou8ld have been another I am forgetting.

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Well, I am only really familiar with cinematic Batman, from the 1960's to all the other ones. This one definitely set the right tone and ambiance for a "dark knight' style of film.

Killer score, great shots, and strong performances all around. However, the character "arc" and the mystery are no great shakes, but fit in as this is a comic book movie.

Riddler was suitably modernized to be a villain for our time and place, while Penguin was a bit more of a throwback style villain to the days of big organized crime.

Hard not to compare it to the story and themes of Daredevil S1. Overall, I think a cinematic viewing is the way to go, but there was something about this that was lacking? Perhaps the fact that many of the best set-pieces were blown in the trailer, which left me feeling a bit hollow about the whole thing? That or I have seen too many batman movies, cartoons, etc.

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Waiting for a sober comparison of this film and the Dark Knight.

For me, Christopher Nolan's weakness was character development. As enjoyable as his films are, crafting authentic / believable backstories for the unreal characters and events depicted seemed a little beyond his reach.

Not that I don't trust the praise being heaped in this thread. Really a question of whether I see it in theaters or after it reaches streaming.

   
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It is not a perfect film, but I think watching at home will lose a bit of something from the theatre version.

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Waiting for a sober comparison of this film and the Dark Knight.

For me, Christopher Nolan's weakness was character development. As enjoyable as his films are, crafting authentic / believable backstories for the unreal characters and events depicted seemed a little beyond his reach.

Not that I don't trust the praise being heaped in this thread. Really a question of whether I see it in theaters or after it reaches streaming.


Well, Bruce/Batman definitely has some character development in this one. It's kinda what the movie's about. I feel like if I got into comparisons with TDK, I'd spoil the film for you.

I can say this...although both are "grounded", The Batman has much more style. This has the visual flourish and choreography that TDK was missing at times.


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It is not a perfect film, but I think watching at home will lose a bit of something from the theatre version.


Well, it's a superhero film. But I think it's one of the best SH films ever made.

I'm sure the effect of the Batmobile starting up in IMAX will be lost in the old home theater.

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I'm sure the effect of the Batmobile starting up in IMAX will be lost in the old home theater.


I didn't see it in IMAX but at a Dolby Deluxe with big comfy seats that also have speakers and the moment the engine came on the entire theater started to shake and rumble. It was awesome.


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When I referred to it as an origin story but not the usual one I was referring to Batman/Bruce actually having a character arc. It isn't about how he decided to wear a costume and beat people up but how he went from angry punchy man to realizing that he needed to inspire people. At the start he is says how he has been fighting crime for two years but it doesn't seem to be helping. In the early scene where he saves the guy near the subway even after stopping the gang the victim is still scared of him. By the end he is literally a light leading people out of the darkness. The shot where he is putting the person on a stretcher and they are scared and he holds there hand and nods to them to let them know it is ok is one of my favorites in the film.

The part where the different criminals are looking at the dark and imagining he is there is a pretty good moment as well.

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When I referred to it as an origin story but not the usual one I was referring to Batman/Bruce actually having a character arc. It isn't about how he decided to wear a costume and beat people up but how he went from angry punchy man to realizing that he needed to inspire people. At the start he is says how he has been fighting crime for two years but it doesn't seem to be helping. In the early scene where he saves the guy near the subway even after stopping the gang the victim is still scared of him. By the end he is literally a light leading people out of the darkness. The shot where he is putting the person on a stretcher and they are scared and he holds there hand and nods to them to let them know it is ok is one of my favorites in the film.

The part where the different criminals are looking at the dark and imagining he is there is a pretty good moment as well.


Yep. I really, really appreciate his arc in this one.

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Darkness and light are definitely core themes of the movie, and they show up in so many little ways. I'm gonna see it again this weekend with the fam. I want that Batmobile to shake my ribcage again! I've heard people say you notice a lot of little things the second time around, so I'm really looking forward to it.


FWIW, I read some comments from Reeves that any sequels will similarly have an emotional arc for Bruce. I think this franchise is in really good hands.

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Paul Dano’s Riddler was really the best part of the movie for me. Much like Heath Ledger’s take on the Joker, he gives it a creepy and evil tone without making it look too cartoony.
   
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I'm surprised that there isn't more conversation going on about this terrific film. It's doing good work at the box office, so I know people are seeing it. I've seen it a second time already.

Here's a story point that I haven't seen people discuss much:

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At the end of the film, Bruce badly needs to rehab the Wayne family name given all the dirt the Riddler dished. With Falcone dead, I'm not sure that Thomas can be directly connected to the reporter's murder. He's dead anyway, so it's not like he can be prosecuted. And certainly the Riddler will be viewed as an unreliable narrator by the population. But that's still some pretty nasty stuff for WayneCorp to be attached to, and that may be what drives Bruce to take a more public role in the sequel/in between. Soooo...enter Lucius Fox and more WayneCorp in the sequel?

I'm really impressed with how this film so deftly tees up stuff for later movies and series. The Penguin is obvious, and that will be covered in the spinoff series. But Selina is in the same category (pun intended). Reeves has said that she's not really Catwoman yet...but in most aspects she definitely is...skill set, personality, etc. So I surmise that the difference is that she hasn't fully embraced a life of crime. There's no way she isn't in the sequel (clearly the Bruce-Selina relationship is going to be a fulcrum of the Reeves films), but I think it's possible that she's a little more of an adversary for Bruce next time.

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You know what shocked me the most? It was funny, genuinely funny.
I went into it with low expectations and honestly, it blew me away. The story was good, the visuals were gorgeous (Gotham actually felt like Gotham and not just "American Cities copy-pasted"), the score was brilliant and the cast was awesome. It felt like Batman: The Animated Series but a little bit more grown-up (in a good way).
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I think the best part was how I thought it was going to end about 3 times, and it just kept going and getting better.
   
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You know what shocked me the most? It was funny, genuinely funny.
I went into it with low expectations and honestly, it blew me away. The story was good, the visuals were gorgeous (Gotham actually felt like Gotham and not just "American Cities copy-pasted"), the score was brilliant and the cast was awesome. It felt like Batman: The Animated Series but a little bit more grown-up (in a good way).
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I think the best part was how I thought it was going to end about 3 times, and it just kept going and getting better.


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The Batman-Gordon relationship was easily the best of any Batman movie. Like perfect.

And yeah, I've heard a few complaints about the third act/ending, and I don't get them at all.

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To me, the ending made the whole film. I even wondered if it was a kind of counterpoint to the Nolan films. It was only at the end of TDKR that Batman really became a hero to Gotham. In this one we see Bruce already moving toward becoming a symbol of hope, even as (because?) Gotham faces dark days ahead. It's not by accident that those last scenes are of Bruce operating in daylight.

The Reeves films aren't ever going to look or feel like Marvel movies...they're going to have dark qualities. But Reeves just gets Batman so much better than any other director we've had. He gets that Batman can't only be a dark avenger who beats up bad guys, as fun as that aspect of the character is.


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And yeah, I've heard a few complaints about the third act/ending, and I don't get them at all.

I think it is because people (read internet nerds) are obsessed with the idea that Batman is the opposite of Superman. Where Superman is openly good and a symbol of hope, Batman is a grim reaper of justice who only doesn't kill because of a moral code. The reality is that Batman can be that but is better when he isn't some edgelord fantasy that beats up all the criminals all the time. Stuff like when he sits with Ace as she dies in JLU or when he helps ex-cons or people in need get jobs at Wayne Enterprises so they don't go back to their old ways. That's the one I think we're hopefully going to see with this trilogy. Still dark when the needs must but a good person when it matters most.
   
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The friend made by the antagonist during the ending part was the only real cringe I felt. Otherwise, very decent version of the character.
It felt like the team making this understood that the relationships between the characters are what make the quality go up, not the number of fights, car chases and explosions.

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And yeah, I've heard a few complaints about the third act/ending, and I don't get them at all.

I think it is because people (read internet nerds) are obsessed with the idea that Batman is the opposite of Superman. Where Superman is openly good and a symbol of hope, Batman is a grim reaper of justice who only doesn't kill because of a moral code. The reality is that Batman can be that but is better when he isn't some edgelord fantasy that beats up all the criminals all the time. Stuff like when he sits with Ace as she dies in JLU or when he helps ex-cons or people in need get jobs at Wayne Enterprises so they don't go back to their old ways. That's the one I think we're hopefully going to see with this trilogy. Still dark when the needs must but a good person when it matters most.


I really hope we do get more of that. I am so over what you described above. My ideal Batman is, of course, TAS Batman; the empathetic one from Harley's Holiday. This could hew a lot closer to that, depending on how it goes.

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