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 Kanluwen wrote:

 silverstu wrote:
It would be nice if it was true but I doubt it- too much information for starters. The one thing absolutely coming for Eldar is a plastic avatar - its appeared in the Rumour Engine pics..

But you never know..

Nah. There's at least one more thing, and that's Rangers...or Corsairs/Guardians.


And before someone says "THAT'S TAU!"...no, it isn't. Soulstones and five fingers.

Yeah that looked like a detail shot from a Killteam set - which I did think looks like new guardians rather than rangers. Someone on Bolter also counted the kits listed and compared them to other big updates like Sisters and its about the same. A big eldar release in January could happen after Tau to kick start the year. I was expecting Chaos first though due to the detail in the verified rumour list as well as GW name checking chaos a month or so ago.

 silverstu wrote:
A big eldar release in January could happen after Tau to kick start the year. I was expecting Chaos first though due to the detail in the verified rumour list as well as GW name checking chaos a month or so ago.

I've been expecting to see Eldar before Chaos after reading "There are more xenos expansions planned in early 2022" a few weeks ago. That was before GSC were postponed, so it implies there's some form of Xenos release soon after Tau.

a lot of this looks sensible to my position on what the eldar should be, which makes me cynical about whether it's true or not.

On the other hand there has been a lot of creative development in other armies and AoS that have invented new units and re envisaged old units in new ways, so it's possible they're doing this.

I'm definitely on board for a senior exarch position, squad sergeant exarchs are lame and have been since they were retconned in 3rd...

 xttz wrote:

 silverstu wrote:
A big eldar release in January could happen after Tau to kick start the year. I was expecting Chaos first though due to the detail in the verified rumour list as well as GW name checking chaos a month or so ago.

I've been expecting to see Eldar before Chaos after reading "There are more xenos expansions planned in early 2022" a few weeks ago. That was before GSC were postponed, so it implies there's some form of Xenos release soon after Tau.

Oh I missed that! That makes it sound more plausible for a codex to be in someone's hands this early.

I agree with @hellebore -it makes Eldar sound interesting again [from model point of view] and does fit into the development patterns for Necrons and Orks. But yeah if its too good to be true it generally is so I'm a bit wary..but I'd love to see this and it would tempt me back to them. Although the prospect of squats as well next year ...

There is no way that a codex would show the FW avatar. If accurate I could see the kit making 2 versions.

Maybe I just don't know enough about Eldar lore, but how could there be a Female Avatar of Khaine? The way it's worded there suggests it's an Avatar of Khaine rather than an avatar for a different god like The Yncarne is.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.

And it was precisely here where I stopped believing these rumours...

Not the "Pictures of Avatars that are probably conversions of the FW model"? GW doesn't do that in books anymore.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.

And it was precisely here where I stopped believing these rumours...

Not the "Pictures of Avatars that are probably conversions of the FW model"? GW doesn't do that in books anymore.

There's literally a converted Black Templar Ancient in the BT book that is the only thing that was wrong in the BT rumor drop.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Maybe I just don't know enough about Eldar lore, but how could there be a Female Avatar of Khaine?

The eldar who made the statue gave it female attributes? Its just a temporarily occupied vessel after they sacrifice someone, so it doesn't really matter what it looks like.
Some craftworlds could have an Avatar that's dragonfly-shaped for all we know.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.

And it was precisely here where I stopped believing these rumours...

Not the "Pictures of Avatars that are probably conversions of the FW model"? GW doesn't do that in books anymore.

There's literally a converted Black Templar Ancient in the BT book that is the only thing that was wrong in the BT rumor drop.

Yes, a conversion of a mainline GW model.

I'll believe this when the Reddit poster shows those pictures, and they don’t look like fakes. But even if it's real, that doesn't mean CWE are coming before CSM, much less in January. They'd already be teasing it if it was that close. Those supposed leaks for Wraithguard D-Cannons sounds like something gw would do though: "Hey! You know what everyone misses? D-Weapon spam! Yeah, more MWs is what 40k needs!".

Voss wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Maybe I just don't know enough about Eldar lore, but how could there be a Female Avatar of Khaine?

The eldar who made the statue gave it female attributes? Its just a temporarily occupied vessel after they sacrifice someone, so it doesn't really matter what it looks like.
Some craftworlds could have an Avatar that's dragonfly-shaped for all we know.

It may be an Avatar, but not of Khaine. Note the missing hand (instead of a bloody hand). Sounds like Morai-Heg...

In Aeldari myth she sought to partake of the wisdom contained in her divine blood. She manipulated Khaela Mensha Khaine to cut off her hand so that she might drink deep of her own vitae. It was the fingers of this lost hand that were fashioned into the Croneswords that now offer hope of an Aeldari resurgence to the Ynnari.

The fact that the OP said, "I saw a female Avatar missing a hand, might be a conversion" instead of going, "Bruh, it's a dual kit that makes Khaine or Morai-Heg!1!!11!" leads me to think there might be a grain of truth. I can't see someone with that knowledge of the lore pretending to be ignorant of it while making fake rumors.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I'll believe this when the Reddit poster shows those pictures, and they don’t look like fakes. But even if it's real, that doesn't mean CWE are coming before CSM, much less in January. They'd already be teasing it if it was that close. Those supposed leaks for Wraithguard D-Cannons sounds like something gw would do though: "Hey! You know what everyone misses? D-Weapon spam! Yeah, more MWs is what 40k needs!".

It's exactly what the DA Dark Talon Rift Cannon does now. BS 3+ D3 shots. S12. If it wounds the target it automatically causes 3MW and the attack sequence ends.

 bullyboy wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I'll believe this when the Reddit poster shows those pictures, and they don’t look like fakes. But even if it's real, that doesn't mean CWE are coming before CSM, much less in January. They'd already be teasing it if it was that close. Those supposed leaks for Wraithguard D-Cannons sounds like something gw would do though: "Hey! You know what everyone misses? D-Weapon spam! Yeah, more MWs is what 40k needs!".

It's exactly what the DA Dark Talon Rift Cannon does now. BS 3+ D3 shots. S12. If it wounds the target it automatically causes 3MW and the attack sequence ends.

Yeah, but those don't come in squads of up to 10 models. No point worrying about it until we know if this is a fake or not though.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.

And it was precisely here where I stopped believing these rumours...

I do have to agree with you here H.B.M.C. The only thing that makes me 95% and not 100% doubtful is that with all the wacky rules and mulitple options, maybe they could be the Eldar entry into Kill team a la Krieg and Kommando's. That's the kernel of hope I cling to...

We do have an avatar of Khaine looking bit teased in a rumor engine. But for all we know, it could very easily be for Daughters of Khaine in AOS :/

 Kanluwen wrote:

Nah. There's at least one more thing, and that's Rangers...or Corsairs/Guardians.


And before someone says "THAT'S TAU!"...no, it isn't. Soulstones and five fingers.

That looks like a control console hoverdisk for a weapons platform, either support one or Guardian one. It makes sense for the control deck to float too.

Hahahahaha. Our mysterious rumor bringer apparently isn't too fond of our forum:

"Having said that, there are some very toxic corners, for example dakkadakka's News and Rumours forum is a cesspit, not to speak of some of the ovetly <redacted> (past) Youtube channels and facebook groups."

Also:

Poor baby. His rumours sound like a wishlist, and he got an amazing amount of detail down despite starting saying that he didn't have long with the book.

Let's see if those pictures actually materialise, or if we'll get a "I wasn't able to make it back to take pictures!" excuse or a "Everyone was mean to me, so you're not getting any pictures!" excuse.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Hahahahaha. Our mysterious rumor bringer apparently isn't too fond of our forum:

"Having said that, there are some very toxic corners, for example dakkadakka's News and Rumours forum is a cesspit, not to speak of some of the ovetly <redacted> (past) Youtube channels and facebook groups."

Translation: I posted bogus rumors there once and was called out for my BS instead of blindly praised like I wanted.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Poor baby. His rumours sound like a wishlist, and he got an amazing amount of detail down despite starting saying that he didn't have long with the book.

Let's see if those pictures actually materialise, or if we'll get a "I wasn't able to make it back to take pictures!" excuse or a "Everyone was mean to me, so you're not getting any pictures!" excuse.

I'm betting on: "The dog ate the codex".

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Poor baby. His rumours sound like a wishlist, and he got an amazing amount of detail down despite starting saying that he didn't have long with the book.

Let's see if those pictures actually materialise, or if we'll get a "I wasn't able to make it back to take pictures!" excuse or a "Everyone was mean to me, so you're not getting any pictures!" excuse.

I'm betting on: "The dog ate the codex".

The potato cam was lost in the great sewage collapse.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Believe it when I see it.

Particularly dubious that a Swooping Hawk Exarch is now a ‘Hierarch’.

Obviously. The best name for a Swooping Hawk Exarch is already taken: "Aviarch"

 Kanluwen wrote:

 silverstu wrote:
It would be nice if it was true but I doubt it- too much information for starters. The one thing absolutely coming for Eldar is a plastic avatar - its appeared in the Rumour Engine pics..

But you never know..

Nah. There's at least one more thing, and that's Rangers...or Corsairs/Guardians.


And before someone says "THAT'S TAU!"...no, it isn't. Soulstones and five fingers.

4 fingers, 1 thumb.

 KidCthulhu wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Maybe I just don't know enough about Eldar lore, but how could there be a Female Avatar of Khaine?

The eldar who made the statue gave it female attributes? Its just a temporarily occupied vessel after they sacrifice someone, so it doesn't really matter what it looks like.
Some craftworlds could have an Avatar that's dragonfly-shaped for all we know.

It may be an Avatar, but not of Khaine. Note the missing hand (instead of a bloody hand). Sounds like Morai-Heg...

In Aeldari myth she sought to partake of the wisdom contained in her divine blood. She manipulated Khaela Mensha Khaine to cut off her hand so that she might drink deep of her own vitae. It was the fingers of this lost hand that were fashioned into the Croneswords that now offer hope of an Aeldari resurgence to the Ynnari.

The fact that the OP said, "I saw a female Avatar missing a hand, might be a conversion" instead of going, "Bruh, it's a dual kit that makes Khaine or Morai-Heg!1!!11!" leads me to think there might be a grain of truth. I can't see someone with that knowledge of the lore pretending to be ignorant of it while making fake rumors.

Yeah I do remember Jes mentioning that when they were doing the Ynnari they thought about what if there are other avatars of other gods. So this could be it. Plus fits the multiple build big demon box. I wonder if the Horus masked face is an avatar Asuryan [sp] ? There was hints of other gods returning too.. The Light of Asuryan on Iyanden relighting for example..

I'm not surprised he didn't like the reaction here - its not exactly cosy for new rumours. I want to believe because it all sounds great but ive been burned before by leaks.
Also the Corsairs could be the replacement for storm guardians or could just use similar weapons in a guardian/stormguardian/corsair box.
Will wait and see..

 Rinkydink wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.

And it was precisely here where I stopped believing these rumours...

I do have to agree with you here H.B.M.C. The only thing that makes me 95% and not 100% doubtful is that with all the wacky rules and mulitple options, maybe they could be the Eldar entry into Kill team a la Krieg and Kommando's. That's the kernel of hope I cling to...

Corsairs aside, I think this list is fairly plausible so far as it's what I'd expect GW to come up with for Eldar. Refreshes older kits while still adding new stuff.

But I'm not convinced until some proof shows up. Other wishlisty rumours with similar content show up anonymously everyday and don't get posted. The only reason this one has gained any traction is the sheer volume of details that's been written (and probably because a few people really want it to be true).

 GaroRobe wrote:
Hahahahaha. Our mysterious rumor bringer apparently isn't too fond of our forum:

"Having said that, there are some very toxic corners, for example dakkadakka's News and Rumours forum is a cesspit, not to speak of some of the ovetly <redacted> (past) Youtube channels and facebook groups."

To be fair, he may have a point when one of the recent News and Rumour hot topics is about an Arch video

 Platuan4th wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Corsairs: elite infantry, plethora of options, brace of las pistols, lasblaster, melee weapons, deep strike, two traits, lasweapons, including scatterlasers etc. can shoot twice if at least one lasshot of unit hits. Second salvo hits automatically if it is the same target.

And it was precisely here where I stopped believing these rumours...

Not the "Pictures of Avatars that are probably conversions of the FW model"? GW doesn't do that in books anymore.

This is the single doubt that people keep listing, which I find the least compelling.

Over the last couple years GW has updated all of the Greater Daemons to be larger and stylistically resemble the much better Forge World versions that released after the old metals.

If GW were to release a "large but ultimately incomplete" range update of Eldar, the absolute first kit I'd expect would be the Avatar. And I'd assume it'd look very similar to the current Forge World one. Which is what "look like conversions of the FW model" just reads like to me.

Plus a Khaine/Morag Heg dual kit that someone above suggested would match the recent Greater Daemon kits which all built two distinct characters.

All that being said, I very much expect this weekend to close with the Redditor posting "my friend said I can't take photos because it'll blow his cover."

Or maybe this will all be Procreate 2: Aeldari Boogaloo

Quick reminder there was someone that made a Female Avatar of Khaine for a Golden Demon entry and GW it's fond of recover old staff conversions like the Mcvey catachan sarge (and i think that person joined the GW staff sortly after )

 bullyboy wrote:
There is no way that a codex would show the FW avatar. If accurate I could see the kit making 2 versions.

Male/Female Kaine actually makes me incredibly interested in this rumor. I hope it comes true.

It’s too good, I don’t want to get my hopes up.

But I think it’s kinda plausible at this point, at least for some things. And possible they just mix stuff up.

I am sure the models will be fine, but the rules that’s much more important to me right now. No point getting hopes up until I know it’s even worth playing the game with Eldar again.