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In terms of upcoming plastic kits not released for preorder yet, what do we know?

separate Mk VI squad box
separate Contemptor (with additional weapons?)
Leviathan
separate Spartan
Proteus
Sicaran
Heavy flamer/melta/plasma box
Vulkite/lascannon/autocannon box
Cataphractii Rerelease
Tartaros Rerelease

is that everything confirmed?

then we have the heavily rumoured but not totally confirmed Deimos Predator, Getting Started with Horus Heresy magazine + model, and the two paint sets (Imp Fists and SoH each with mini sprue of marines)?

I'm hoping Lucius gets released on one of these months..

This week has me like

I won't be getting mine till the Monday. Though that gives me an extra weekend to work on my first mark 3/4 squad, so that's probably for the best!

 arkhanist wrote:
I won't be getting mine till the Monday. Though that gives me an extra weekend to work on my first mark 3/4 squad, so that's probably for the best!

I sort of planned a vacation out of it. Took off this Friday - Monday the 27th. Have a big event planned saturday at the LGS and I'm hoping to get my backlog of AoS/40K and this box knocked out, or at least seriously dented.

I'm hoping that specific Mk3/4 support weapons and heavy weapons are made, and hopefully in the retro 'on the shoulder' style.

 Dr. Mills wrote:
I'm hoping that specific Mk3/4 support weapons and heavy weapons are made, and hopefully in the retro 'on the shoulder' style.

I think it's more likely that if we're going to see a wider range of plastic options for other armour marks, it'll be something like rescaled MkV bodies (or even new MkIII / IV) that are compatible with the existing weapon upgrade kits.

There's no incentive for GW to double down on the older, smaller kits they already have stocks of resin weapon upgrades for.

There are definitely a lot of directions they could go with infantry next, and I'm curious to see which one they'll pick. You've got assault squads, despoilers, recon squads, breachers, and destroyers as generic infantry options alone. All of which currently cost about $12-14 each in resin. I don't know enough about the metagame to know if some of these are unpopular or nonviable, and which should be prioritised.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I don't know enough about the metagame to know if some of these are unpopular or nonviable, and which should be prioritised.

The way Rites of War work and the variety of Legion special rules means that there's always space for things to be viable. But for priority, I would say the Troop choices of Assault and Breacher units but even then Breachers could just be an upgrade pack alongside Destroyers.

breachers would proably be pretty popular.. at the very least a breacher kit'd be a gold mine for thunder sheilds for kitbashes

Is it Saturday yet?

I. Want. My. Toys. Dammit.

Yea looks like I'll be waiting a few months to see their plastics direction before I decide whether to go all manlet marine or all chad marine. In either case it'll probably have to be half GW kits, half 3d prints, but I at least want to have the whole army in one damn scale.

I'm also curious to see if we'll get any more character models in plastic. Obviously the entries for both Praetors and Consuls are incredibly flexible so it might be tough for them to create kits useful for more than a small fraction of players. I'd love to see a character weapons sprue, at least.

At some point in the future maybe but I'd be surprised to see plastics of specific Consuls any time soon outside of the Chaplain that already exists. Named Characters are definitely a no-go outside of possible BL Celebration stuff but considering HH will be over by the next one I doubt there will be any more.

I do wonder if there's going to be some commemoration of HH the book series ending at last.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I do wonder if there's going to be some commemoration of HH the book series ending at last.

Announcement of The Scouring series probably.

For 30k itself, I'd not expect more than maybe another pair of Black Library Celebration models.

Possibly but TBF the Scouring isn't anything special and most of the "main" events have already been covered. The Heresy and War of the Beast had the essentials down (Dropsite and the Siege + big war against the Orks) but were mostly blank spaces so a story could be told. The Scouring doesn't really have that.
The Heresy series has been such a big part of GW books and there is the Dawn of Fire series that is supposed to be the same kind of scope but there's going to be a struggle to fill the void.

 Gert wrote:
Possibly but TBF the Scouring isn't anything special and most of the "main" events have already been covered. The Heresy and War of the Beast had the essentials down (Dropsite and the Siege + big war against the Orks) but were mostly blank spaces so a story could be told. The Scouring doesn't really have that.
The Heresy series has been such a big part of GW books and there is the Dawn of Fire series that is supposed to be the same kind of scope but there's going to be a struggle to fill the void.

The cow still has milk in it. People will happily fork over for more Primarch Bolter Porn. Horus Heresy is BL's most profitable series by a country mile and a direct continuation of that is no doubt going to pull in a decent profit.

 Gert wrote:
Possibly but TBF the Scouring isn't anything special and most of the "main" events have already been covered. The Heresy and War of the Beast had the essentials down (Dropsite and the Siege + big war against the Orks) but were mostly blank spaces so a story could be told. The Scouring doesn't really have that.
The Heresy series has been such a big part of GW books and there is the Dawn of Fire series that is supposed to be the same kind of scope but there's going to be a struggle to fill the void.

Disney is making a lot of money with in between Star Wars stuff you never knew you wanted. I don't think GW is going to just let the opportunity go to give that a try themselves.

It's not like there's nothing to tell. You can have drama with splitting up the legions, tragedy with the Primarchs slowly vanishing from the galactic stage and the rise of the religious nutjobs. You could even paint a somewhat hopeful initial picture and then have it culminate in the first Black Crusade that shatters any hope that the archenemy has actually been defeated.

Provided they haven't done that already, of course. I'm not exactly up to date.

Or if they want to focus on the present day setting with all its glorious Primaris stuff, they could have a cawltastic tie in series that describes how the Primaris project was set up and finally put on hold in excruciating detail.

The managed to blow up a couple of pages of Horus Heresy fluff into a novel series so large I have honestly lost count. I'm sure they can find something to follow it up with.

I'm not a fan of prequels but I would be all over a War of Unification/ Great Crusade book series.

I felt like the HH moved too fast into the whole Heresy thing (and then stalled for 40 books) so we never got this feeling that the Primes were buddies and their brotherhood sundered.

Obviously, GW hasn't done everything ever to do with the Scouring, the Second Founding, and the early post-Heresy years but a lot is already there. The Iron Cage, the shatterings of the Night Lords on Tsagualsa and Alpha Legion on Eskrador, and the stories of most of the Second Founding Chapters are already recorded.
As for Cawl and the Primaris, that's what the Cawl novel The Great Work is partly about and I'd be surprised if we didn't see any more of those.
BL was able to do the Heresy series because the Heresy was a very empty space with only a few major events in little detail. There was room to invent characters and stories while tying events into "modern" 40k and IMO that isn't something the Scouring has. At best BL could do maybe 4 or 5 books and even then they'd be worse than even the HH Salamanders novels, which is saying something.

This amused me



The pic of the Mark IV squad does not show them with missile launchers, heavy bolters, or special weapons although the sprues still have that.

It's almost as if GW had a new box of heavy weapons to sell!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm not a fan of prequels but I would be all over a War of Unification/ Great Crusade book series.

I felt like the HH moved too fast into the whole Heresy thing (and then stalled for 40 books) so we never got this feeling that the Primes were buddies and their brotherhood sundered.

If this means BL would need to stop being cowards and give us the canonical fates of the IInd and XIth legions, I'd be all for it :-P

Do they need to cover anything but the start and end of the Horus Heresy? Its not like 40k wasn't enjoyed for over two decades with a unchanging setting. Or for that matter, 40k is still complained about for daring to change things from the set unchanging setting.
People will complain if they do the Scouring....they will complain if they don't I suppose too.

At this point "people will complain" is both unavoidable and meaningless. 40k has gone through so many changes and people have been drawn in before and after innovations and retcons that there are so many groups of fans with different experiences that you're bound to find one that is not okay with the latest thing.

In case of the Scouring, Great Crusade or Unification Wars, at least GW has the Horus Heresy series to build on. People who like that may very well want more, and producing it along the same lines at least aims at the target audience of the big thing it's based on.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm not a fan of prequels but I would be all over a War of Unification/ Great Crusade book series.

I felt like the HH moved too fast into the whole Heresy thing (and then stalled for 40 books) so we never got this feeling that the Primes were buddies and their brotherhood sundered.

If this means BL would need to stop being cowards and give us the canonical fates of the IInd and XIth legions, I'd be all for it :-P

"You'd be surprised how many people can slip on the same banana peel and break their necks. I shouldn't have taken that extended lunch break." - Matthew, son of David, from his memoirs "Janitor of Destiny"

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
If this means BL would need to stop being cowards and give us the canonical fates of the IInd and XIth legions, I'd be all for it :-P

beast_gts wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
If this means BL would need to stop being cowards and give us the canonical fates of the IInd and XIth legions, I'd be all for it :-P

Spoiler:

(source here)

Huh, I/ve never heard that before now -- that actually would make a lot of sense if you buy into the Ultramarines legion growing suspiciously around the time of one of the lost legions' banishment.

Whoa, that is cool and I've not seen it before.

Sort of exile rather than death. You will be forgotten rather than hated.

Which has been debunked in bl books...it was in universe speculation by word bearer.

Quasistellar wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
If this means BL would need to stop being cowards and give us the canonical fates of the IInd and XIth legions, I'd be all for it :-P

Spoiler:

(source here)

Huh, I/ve never heard that before now -- that actually would make a lot of sense if you buy into the Ultramarines legion growing suspiciously around the time of one of the lost legions' banishment.

There’s a video floating around YouTube that pretty convincingly pulls together a bunch of stuff to indicate that at least one of the Lost Legions’ main complement of marines were mind wiped and reassigned rather than being annihilated for {whatever happened to their primarch} which may or may not have been “taken over by mind controlling alien parasites” during the Rangdan Xenocides.
If you twist it enough, that sort of fits what Priestly said.