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darkoms wrote:
 Void__Dragon wrote:
Even when he was "merely" a Primarch Magnus could destroy Titans, like when he incinerated an Ork Gargant that was bigger than the Warlord stationed on Prospero.

Daemon Primarch Magnus can destroy starships in orbit after no-selling their bombardment.

Spoiler:
"The destruction of five of Titan’s most prized assets was beyond countenance. High above the Fang, the masterfully built spacecraft of the Grey Knights Chapter remote-scryed the location of the Daemon Primarch, calibrated their weapons batteries, and fired. Searing ruby-red beams shot from the heavens, all four converging upon the same point as the gunners of the Grey Knights fleet brought their deadliest weapons to bear. By rights they should have reduced Magnus to a steaming crater. In truth, they did little more than drive him to his knees; a hemisphere of invisible force protected him from physical attack, no matter how powerful. The Daemon Primarch rose, laughing cruelly at the impotence of the Imperial order founded to slay his kind.

The rune-casting psykers of Logan’s Great Company, gathered under Njal Stormcaller, did not despair. They sent bolts of psychic lightning, ghostly tempests, and blizzards of razored ice-knives that flayed to the bone the Tzaangors cavorting around their master’s feet. Yet none of their runic witchery even touched the Crimson King. If anything, Magnus seemed larger and more powerful than before the first salvo had been fired.

The Crimson King’s laughter grew louder. Though he now hovered, wings beating slowly, above the Wolf’s Gullet, his voice sounded as if he were mere inches from the ear of all who witnessed him. Those who looked upon him directly did so with needles of pain stabbing their minds, for he glowed almost too bright to bear.

With Njal leading their chants, the most powerfulof Fenris’ Rune Priests joined their might once more. Slowly, the vast chasm of the Gullet closed upon Magnus, its rocky edges like the jagged teeth of the World Wolf itself. Lava geysered and boiled as the chasm bit with the force of grinding tectonic plates. For a moment, the Daemon Primarch disappeared from sight. At the last, Magnus threw out his arms and held the rocky jaws wide with only his vast telekinetic power, the jagged teeth of the cliffs snapping to tumble into the fires below.

Grand Master Valdar Aurikon stretched out his hands, psychic lightning leaping towards Magnus in a great crackling helix. Magnus caught the attack on his staff and hurled it back, the bolt transforming the Grey Knight into scattering nuggets of fool’s gold.

Another focussed lance strike shot down from the heavens. This one Magnus did not dissipate upon his protective dome of force, but instead caught with the curve of his blade before hurling it outwards into the rumbling line of battle tanks that was cresting the ridge. The redirected energies hit home with cataclysmic force, smashing the entire column of war engines to smoking ruin.

Then Magnus reached upwards, the eye in his palm blinking once as it focussed on the spacecraft high above. Uttering a low chant, the Crimson King extended his telekinetic mastery until it soared into the stratosphere and beyond. Space Wolf, Dark Angel and Grey Knight alike stood aghast as the sky was lit with expanding coronas of fire. Those Space Marines who auto-viewed the blazing phenomena witnessed Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers crashing into one another as if flung by some godly hand, their reactors overloading a moment later to throw all of Asaheim into stark monochromatic light.

Fenris had a new monarch, and he was mighty indeed." - Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 105


Between his bluntly far greater psychic power and as Gert stated his greater mobility I imagine Magnus would win most encounters in a one on one fight.


The problem is that they were regular titans, not psykers titans. It took 3 Titans of the Ordo Sinister to defeat the Warlock Titan and even so it was very hard.


Ordo sinister is titan legion of psychic titans. The most devastating titans imperium posses.

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Hecaton wrote:

40k is the core experience, the novels are addendums to that, and when they contradict the core fluff I disregard it.

Magnus is not "more powerful than a titan."


Then you'll be happy to know that Wrath of Magnus is a campaign supplement and not a novel. Which is to say, that in what you would consider "core fluff" Magnus fleets of ships with his mind, much less a single titan.


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Hecaton wrote:
That's very figurative language from the section you're quoting. Imma stick with my interpretation.


That's nice. You're simply wrong though.


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Hecaton wrote:


Aight so why hasn't he one-shotted his brothers, either, when push came to shove? Considering Malcador could feth up primarchs, if Magnus is even *more* powerful than it shouldn't have even been a contest, right? It's just inconsistent power levels and I'm not going to take it seriously.


Interesting quesiton and, in the case of Leman Russ, one answered through frankly poor deus ex machina writing by making him abnormally resistant to psychic powers. Russ notes he survived a psychic onslaught that would have killed any of his other brothers, and before fighting Magnus he didn't realize he had this attribute. It's some pretty shoddy writing but unfortunately arguably necessary considering that Magnus has to be defeated by Russ on Prospero, if only barely. And it's necessary because Magnus is not just a Primarch, but the mightiest psyker in the galaxy short of his dad.

Make no mistake, by pretty much every statement and showing Magnus is easily the most powerful Primarch of them all save Horus with the full backing of Chaos.

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tneva82 wrote:
darkoms wrote:
 Void__Dragon wrote:
Even when he was "merely" a Primarch Magnus could destroy Titans, like when he incinerated an Ork Gargant that was bigger than the Warlord stationed on Prospero.

Daemon Primarch Magnus can destroy starships in orbit after no-selling their bombardment.

Spoiler:
"The destruction of five of Titan’s most prized assets was beyond countenance. High above the Fang, the masterfully built spacecraft of the Grey Knights Chapter remote-scryed the location of the Daemon Primarch, calibrated their weapons batteries, and fired. Searing ruby-red beams shot from the heavens, all four converging upon the same point as the gunners of the Grey Knights fleet brought their deadliest weapons to bear. By rights they should have reduced Magnus to a steaming crater. In truth, they did little more than drive him to his knees; a hemisphere of invisible force protected him from physical attack, no matter how powerful. The Daemon Primarch rose, laughing cruelly at the impotence of the Imperial order founded to slay his kind.

The rune-casting psykers of Logan’s Great Company, gathered under Njal Stormcaller, did not despair. They sent bolts of psychic lightning, ghostly tempests, and blizzards of razored ice-knives that flayed to the bone the Tzaangors cavorting around their master’s feet. Yet none of their runic witchery even touched the Crimson King. If anything, Magnus seemed larger and more powerful than before the first salvo had been fired.

The Crimson King’s laughter grew louder. Though he now hovered, wings beating slowly, above the Wolf’s Gullet, his voice sounded as if he were mere inches from the ear of all who witnessed him. Those who looked upon him directly did so with needles of pain stabbing their minds, for he glowed almost too bright to bear.

With Njal leading their chants, the most powerfulof Fenris’ Rune Priests joined their might once more. Slowly, the vast chasm of the Gullet closed upon Magnus, its rocky edges like the jagged teeth of the World Wolf itself. Lava geysered and boiled as the chasm bit with the force of grinding tectonic plates. For a moment, the Daemon Primarch disappeared from sight. At the last, Magnus threw out his arms and held the rocky jaws wide with only his vast telekinetic power, the jagged teeth of the cliffs snapping to tumble into the fires below.

Grand Master Valdar Aurikon stretched out his hands, psychic lightning leaping towards Magnus in a great crackling helix. Magnus caught the attack on his staff and hurled it back, the bolt transforming the Grey Knight into scattering nuggets of fool’s gold.

Another focussed lance strike shot down from the heavens. This one Magnus did not dissipate upon his protective dome of force, but instead caught with the curve of his blade before hurling it outwards into the rumbling line of battle tanks that was cresting the ridge. The redirected energies hit home with cataclysmic force, smashing the entire column of war engines to smoking ruin.

Then Magnus reached upwards, the eye in his palm blinking once as it focussed on the spacecraft high above. Uttering a low chant, the Crimson King extended his telekinetic mastery until it soared into the stratosphere and beyond. Space Wolf, Dark Angel and Grey Knight alike stood aghast as the sky was lit with expanding coronas of fire. Those Space Marines who auto-viewed the blazing phenomena witnessed Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers crashing into one another as if flung by some godly hand, their reactors overloading a moment later to throw all of Asaheim into stark monochromatic light.

Fenris had a new monarch, and he was mighty indeed." - Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 105


Between his bluntly far greater psychic power and as Gert stated his greater mobility I imagine Magnus would win most encounters in a one on one fight.


The problem is that they were regular titans, not psykers titans. It took 3 Titans of the Ordo Sinister to defeat the Warlock Titan and even so it was very hard.


Ordo sinister is titan legion of psychic titans. The most devastating titans imperium posses.

Is that literally what I said? Magnus defeated normal titans, he didn't defeat psyker titans. It took 3 PSI Titan to defeat a Warlock Titan and even so it was hard.
   
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darkoms wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
darkoms wrote:
 Void__Dragon wrote:
Even when he was "merely" a Primarch Magnus could destroy Titans, like when he incinerated an Ork Gargant that was bigger than the Warlord stationed on Prospero.

Daemon Primarch Magnus can destroy starships in orbit after no-selling their bombardment.

Spoiler:
"The destruction of five of Titan’s most prized assets was beyond countenance. High above the Fang, the masterfully built spacecraft of the Grey Knights Chapter remote-scryed the location of the Daemon Primarch, calibrated their weapons batteries, and fired. Searing ruby-red beams shot from the heavens, all four converging upon the same point as the gunners of the Grey Knights fleet brought their deadliest weapons to bear. By rights they should have reduced Magnus to a steaming crater. In truth, they did little more than drive him to his knees; a hemisphere of invisible force protected him from physical attack, no matter how powerful. The Daemon Primarch rose, laughing cruelly at the impotence of the Imperial order founded to slay his kind.

The rune-casting psykers of Logan’s Great Company, gathered under Njal Stormcaller, did not despair. They sent bolts of psychic lightning, ghostly tempests, and blizzards of razored ice-knives that flayed to the bone the Tzaangors cavorting around their master’s feet. Yet none of their runic witchery even touched the Crimson King. If anything, Magnus seemed larger and more powerful than before the first salvo had been fired.

The Crimson King’s laughter grew louder. Though he now hovered, wings beating slowly, above the Wolf’s Gullet, his voice sounded as if he were mere inches from the ear of all who witnessed him. Those who looked upon him directly did so with needles of pain stabbing their minds, for he glowed almost too bright to bear.

With Njal leading their chants, the most powerfulof Fenris’ Rune Priests joined their might once more. Slowly, the vast chasm of the Gullet closed upon Magnus, its rocky edges like the jagged teeth of the World Wolf itself. Lava geysered and boiled as the chasm bit with the force of grinding tectonic plates. For a moment, the Daemon Primarch disappeared from sight. At the last, Magnus threw out his arms and held the rocky jaws wide with only his vast telekinetic power, the jagged teeth of the cliffs snapping to tumble into the fires below.

Grand Master Valdar Aurikon stretched out his hands, psychic lightning leaping towards Magnus in a great crackling helix. Magnus caught the attack on his staff and hurled it back, the bolt transforming the Grey Knight into scattering nuggets of fool’s gold.

Another focussed lance strike shot down from the heavens. This one Magnus did not dissipate upon his protective dome of force, but instead caught with the curve of his blade before hurling it outwards into the rumbling line of battle tanks that was cresting the ridge. The redirected energies hit home with cataclysmic force, smashing the entire column of war engines to smoking ruin.

Then Magnus reached upwards, the eye in his palm blinking once as it focussed on the spacecraft high above. Uttering a low chant, the Crimson King extended his telekinetic mastery until it soared into the stratosphere and beyond. Space Wolf, Dark Angel and Grey Knight alike stood aghast as the sky was lit with expanding coronas of fire. Those Space Marines who auto-viewed the blazing phenomena witnessed Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers crashing into one another as if flung by some godly hand, their reactors overloading a moment later to throw all of Asaheim into stark monochromatic light.

Fenris had a new monarch, and he was mighty indeed." - Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 105


Between his bluntly far greater psychic power and as Gert stated his greater mobility I imagine Magnus would win most encounters in a one on one fight.


The problem is that they were regular titans, not psykers titans. It took 3 Titans of the Ordo Sinister to defeat the Warlock Titan and even so it was very hard.


Ordo sinister is titan legion of psychic titans. The most devastating titans imperium posses.

Is that literally what I said? Magnus defeated normal titans, he didn't defeat psyker titans. It took 3 PSI Titan to defeat a Warlock Titan and even so it was hard.


And by transitive properties we can deduce that magnus would be able to kill one pretty easy.

It took 3 psi titans to kill a warlock titan
Psi titans are the most powerful titans.
A regular titan would have a hard time killing a psi titan
Mangus can blink a titan out of reality by himself
That would mean that magnus would be able to destroy a psi titan with minimal effort, if he can blink a regular titan out of existence.
Meaning that against a warlock titan he would have to put in some effort.

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I think one of the logical steps doesn’t work. Psi titans presumably have some kind of psychic defence that normal titans don’t due to their own psychic mastery, like the difference between grey knights and normal marines.

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 Flinty wrote:
I think one of the logical steps doesn’t work. Psi titans presumably have some kind of psychic defence that normal titans don’t due to their own psychic mastery, like the difference between grey knights and normal marines.


Which is fair, so even if its a null, that would not really effect magnus' abilities with a warlock titan.

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But if a psi titan is more protected against warp jiggery pokery than a normal titan in a undefined way, and a Warlock titan is effectively 2 to 3 times better than a psi titan, and also apparently chock full of eldar psyker s
And probably spirit stones of farseers and stuff, then we still don’t have enough information to judge the level of challenge that Magnus would have.

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Now i agree that we cant determine the level of challenge a warlock titan would be for magnus.

I do still stand by the fact that his daemon primarch power would allow him to still win that fight, considering he again, can just blink a normal titan out of reality.

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On the flipside, he's a Daemon Primarch, and therefore at risk of being banished back into the Warp - something that can't happen to the Warlock Titan...

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

tneva82 wrote:
You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
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