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hotsauceman1 wrote: To the recasting debate.
Look at when, in universe, they replaced Cap twice.
the fandom went insane, insulting both actors, hating them, saying racist things towards one.
recasting was never going to go down well.
Whoa hold on now.
Were they fans, or just idiot trolls determined to cause a scene for reasons best known to their pea sized brains?
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Fans understood that's what happens with Cap, that Chris Evans couldn't carry on forever, and that Anthony Mackie would likely be awesome. Anyone spewing hatred or losing their gak over the situation wasn't a fan, or at least not one any fandom would want.
On topic: The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Michael B Jordan is the new Black Panther. Killmonger returning is already comic canon, he legitimately has a claim to the throne in-universe, and there's, I think, a clear narrative around how it could happen and a really interesting tension around not only his own ideas about what Wakanda should be/do and also around the introduction of Namor.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
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Yes, but he has come back from the dead in the comics before.
Since I found that out, everything else just sort of fits. He could be resurrected in Wakanda using some handwavium around the heart shaped her/vibranium/Wakandan tech by people who thought he had the right idea (somewhat similar to the comics) or, if T'Challa honoured his wish to be buried in the ocean with his ancestors, look who's popped up in this movie, perhaps already with an established desire to destabilise Wakanda.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
It looked not too bad. I don't know if it will have the same power as the first film. That being said, although I hit my limit with comic book movies a long time ago, I do want to watch this.
Lord Damocles wrote: I expect that whoever takes the suit will just naturally be superhuman, given that all of the magic flowers were destroyed in the first movie...
They have an infinite supply of handwavium
I’d always assumed that burning the flowers just got rid of the current “ripe” ones, to stop anyone challenging Killmonger in the short term, rather than wiping them from existence.
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
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Easy E wrote: Agreed, it will not be Killmonger. I am thinking Shuri.....
.... but my question is if she will have to go through the same "combat" ritual of the first BP movie?
That wasn't really a ritual to become BP. That was a ritual to become King. The mantel of BP is different from the Mantel of King. T'Challa was the current BP when his father was still alive and King in Civil War.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
frankly I don't get the oppisition to re-casting Black Panther. I mean... are there no other competant black actors who can take on the role and do a wonderful job while honoring the legacy of the original?
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Black Panther is a mantle. And to recast T’Challa would be to put someone in the shoes of playing Chadwick Boseman playing T’Challa.
And I don't see the problem with that. Actors have played the same role in the past.
The idea that we can never have T'Challa on screen again because one guy got the role and then sadly died is just silly.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Yes Blade came first. But Black Panther was evidently something special to an audience traditionally underserved.
And now that the actor died, then that's what they'll have to live with. They'll never get another T'Challa. That was their one chance, and it's over. Sorry.
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BrianDavion wrote: frankly I don't get the oppisition to re-casting Black Panther. I mean... are there no other competant black actors who can take on the role and do a wonderful job while honoring the legacy of the original?
Yeah, sometimes I find it a bit cringey with all the "YAS, rest in peace KING" I see in a lot of comments online (thankfully not in this thread) and hero worship around Chadwick Boseman whenever Black Panther is brought up, similar to how Heath Ledger is seen as the peak of the role of Joker in some people's eyes. I get that his death makes them think that the role is somehow sacrosanct, but it seems somewhat petty to deny other actors to do the role some justice. It's not like they're passing over the role to a clearly bad fit like Jack Black or something.
Also, the treatment of Black Panther as some landbreaking super hero film with the only black main character always irked me when people ignore Spawn and Blade. It reminds me of how some of the marketing for Shang Chi had some of the same elements of like "whoa, first major asian super hero in the west" as if all of the Hong Kong martial arts movies didn't exist or that Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, or Jet Li hadn't paved the way for him already. Weird revisionist perspective to keep saying first (minority race) of some type of media. It gets old, fast.
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It isn't that BP will never be recast but the timing and nature of it. Boseman is incredibly tied to the character in many people's minds and doing a film that acknowledges him is probably a better move than instantly replacing him. I don't generally watch reaction videos but I've seen a few of people watching the new trailer and they are crying. It isn't even that he was a popular char he was a bona fide cultural phenomenon. When Christopher Reeves was injured they didn't immediately recast Superman and even after decades before another film people still decried whoever it was as not being as good as Christopher Reeves.
I have no doubt T'challa will be recast, and it won't be nearly as long, but this would have been to soon. Even if you just want to look at it from a profit perspective they probably get a bigger audience by not immediately recasting him than if they had, as the backlash would have been significant.
Just give it time.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I managed to miss him. What was the timestamp on his appearance?
0.43 - baby born underwater
0.52 - in a big headdress
1.15 - green shorts coming out the water from behind
1.35 - green shorts in a fight scene with other Atlanteans
1.47 - close up of his face
There’s a couple other shots too but very fleeting.
Yep, that was Namor all right. Can't believe I missed him the first time around.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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2022/10/03 14:35:24
Subject: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2nd trailer released)
I'm almost there as well. There isn't an MCU movie I didn't enjoy. But leaving aside a bit of a mix up in viewing order, Black Panther wasn't something I was looking for at the time I first watched it. One of the things I most appreciate about the MCU is the sense of a cohesive(ish) world, guest appearances by established characters, and so on. Black Panther was new characters in new locations with problems of their own to solve and nothing to tie them to the previous however many movies.
Might have been too serious about everything as well. Black Widow is pretty removed in the same way, but at least it has the family dynamics and wacky Russian version of Captain America. That's the kind of fun Black Panther is missing. And the trailer for the second one goes pretty heavy on gravity.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
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Geifer wrote: I am... going to wait until it's on Disney+. Wasn't big on the first one.
The MCU is something I’ll always go to the cinema to see. Pretty much the only thing these days. Until we get a new Star Wars movie.
That’s pretty much how we feel. We will see MCU movies at the theater with our son, and it’s always a positive experience. (Dr Strange 2) It’s usually a positive experience.
However, I try to make it to movies for lower budget or original films. I’m sad I missed out on Marcel the Shell, but I’ve seen Barbarian in theaters and plan to see Pearl and the Woman King this week if possible.
All of you who are sick of MCU movies, I urge you to see something smaller and genuinely new. Support real movies.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2022/10/04 22:24:43
Subject: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2nd trailer released)
AduroT wrote: I’d forgotten it was a thing he had. Doesn’t really feature in the comics of late.
It's how he flies, but they're easy to ignore in still comic artwork. They're a lot more noticeable in motion.
I don’t read much Namor specific stuff, just his appearances in Avengers of late, but I can’t really recall him flying at all. I’d have to go and look, but I’m not entirely sure his current iteration even has them.
2022/10/05 01:28:30
Subject: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2nd trailer released)
They’re in almost everything I can find searching, including the Atlantis Attacks Wakanda stuff. I’m only seeing them because I’m specifically looking for them though. It’s not where your eyes are drawn and some artists definitely go to Liefield lengths to cover them up.
Yep, that was Namor all right. Can't believe I missed him the first time around. 
