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 Flinty wrote:

 Kroem wrote:
For me I want a naval drama Star Trek in the vein of Hornblower or Aubrey-Maturin.

i.e. a drama set in the midshipman's berth on a patched up old Excelsior-class starship in the blocade squadron of space-Brest.
The ship would definetily not be the cream of starfleet; the ship would have a few gripes and be heavy around the left nacelle, the first lieutenant would be a disciplinarian with a chip on his shoulder from being passed over for promotion so many times and the doctor an old soak who can barely be relied upon to laser the right leg off!

I think you just described the pitch meeting for Lower Decks

On paper Lower Decks sounds great, but then someone mentioned how kids these days love that Rick and Morty and look what we got instead of Hornblower in space

I wonder how many more bad Star Treks we can have before Gene Roddenberry's corpse reaches a rotational velocity of warp 10 and destroys the whole galaxy

People keep comparing Rick and Morty to Lower Decks and all I can think of is all those people who just kept comparing Babylon Five to Deep Space Nine because of their superficial similarities.

It's an animated adult-aimed comedy made by a guy who worked on R&M so yeah the resemblance is there.
That being said, it's consistently funny IMO and the characters are actually good. It makes references to other ST shows but holds its own as well. I do understand the reluctance to get started watching it (I myself used to be in this camp) but it's really good.

Maybe I'm just being a grumpy old man shaking my fist at a cloud then

Also, it settles down in the second series a lot.

 Kroem wrote:
Maybe I'm just being a grumpy old man shaking my fist at a cloud then

To be fair, the show doesn't really hit its stride until halfway into the first season and doesn't become truly good until the second (IMO). I'd still point at Wej Duj as one of the greatest episodes of Star Trek ever made.

I think a lot of people saw the first 1-2 episodes and decided it wasn't for them when those episodes are by far among the weakest in the show. The first one especially actually gets worse on subsequent viewings I think :/

For Star Wars, I had an idea but realized it was essentially Arcane, but set on Nar Shadda under the Hutts.
Then I realized that was better than pretty much any idea they've tried so far, so... yeah. Sticking with that.

Star Trek... eh. Exploration vessel does smart, science-y exploration things. Basically Seven of Nine's parents, but with a larger crew complement and a sense of responsibility.

Officially studio supported

Star Wars the EU books top on that list-The thrawn trilogy.... although it isn't official darthangelus's YT channel is CG animating the entire book series with a lot of love. the first 2 hour movie is out




Star Trek- I was hoping enterprise would lead into the war with the romulans of the klingon federation war..then they went all alt timeline with it.

the closest thing we have to that era in the right setting is the AXANAR fan project, but after the court settlement and the new IP rules it will never happen beyond the 3 fantastic episodes they are making.




the closest thing trek wise that was great was the new voyages series and movies that included cameos of the original crew taking the 60s look of the show with updated graphics.






Currently i am rather surprised after STD that "star trek strange new worlds" is actually pretty good.

I'd like a Droid sitcom. Imagine What we do in the Shadows... but with droids.....

i'm down for that

Lets face it we really need Star Wars: 'Allo Allo complete with Michelle of the Resistance!

Commander Flick of the Imperial Security Bureau in all his lingerie, while R’nie shouts “you stupid twiilek!”

With a plot that revolves around the hunt for a painting of The Fallen Jedi With Ze Big Boobies...

Some one will run with this somewhere

The Force in the Horse, the Mon Calamari in the Imperial Army.

And now I need to clean squash off my keyboard... Exalted!

Prime Trek Universe.


There's a bar. It's close to SFHQ, but not too close. It isn't fancy, but it isn't a dive either. It's the exact kind of place where higher up admirals and Picard-esque characters can go to get away from the politics of it all.

The best part is, the bartender is wise beyond his/her years. Perhaps they were once world beating, shooting star officers like Picard and Janeway and Kirk. For whatever reason, they are bartending.

There's also an assortment of other regular characters who frequent this bar who may offer less-than-sage advice to an MC officer, but it sounds good when the booze is flowing.


Basically, Cheers, in starfleet.

OK here's a big of a mad one...

Star Trek: The Reanimated Series - So my opinion of Star Trek TAS is unwatchable drek. Terrible, cheap reused animation and plots that might have been mildly interesting 40 years ago but offer little today.

BUT, with extensive involvement from Roddenberry and voice acting from the original cast it's the closest thing to S4 there ever will be.

SO reanimate it. Modern computer animation (maybe in the Filmation style, but y'know, good). Re-edit, add dialogue where you can, make it... y'know good.

I'd actually watch it.

Or failing that give Star Trek Continues a license for like a dollar and let them go do it.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
OK here's a big of a mad one...

Star Trek: The Reanimated Series - So my opinion of Star Trek TAS is unwatchable drek. Terrible, cheap reused animation and plots that might have been mildly interesting 40 years ago but offer little today.

BUT, with extensive involvement from Roddenberry and voice acting from the original cast it's the closest thing to S4 there ever will be.

SO reanimate it. Modern computer animation (maybe in the Filmation style, but y'know, good). Re-edit, add dialogue where you can, make it... y'know good.

I'd actually watch it.

Or failing that give Star Trek Continues a license for like a dollar and let them go do it.

Sounds like you want a She-ra reboot of it, and for much the same reasons.
Could be good, as long as it doesn't follow the path of Masters of the Universe Revelation instead.

By Reanimated series I thought you meant a ship crewed by zombie versions of the original cast?

Star Wars...

Nothing. I've had my fill.

Star Trek just needs someone writing that knows something about STAR TREK. I consider myself pretty superficial as a fan, but damn, have I seen some nonsense in these shows by that clownshoe they keep giving this to.

Hell, back in the day- RICK BERMAN was the wholesale antichrist, in taking the shows where he did. You know something, his stuff is Shakespeare, copared to what they are pushing now. ?This stuff now is just mean, and ill mannered. Like they are giving you the two finger salute, just to rub it in your face.

I'd like to have seen a Star Trek: Renegades show that they filmed a pilot of. That show really had some promise. too bad they didn't pull the trigger on it.

Second show I'd go for would be a new Star Trek. New ship, new crew, new stories- in the same tone as the original series. No yelling and cursing, No goody two shoes, and no Mary Sues allowed. Crew starts out, green as gills, then evolves with different shows with different adventures, depending on the assignments. Captain and half the crew gets wasted first run out after the ship goes out on its first or second mission, and everyone has to step up, according to their postings. Exploration, adventure, and the human condition... it's not hard.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Star Trek just needs someone writing that knows something about STAR TREK. I consider myself pretty superficial as a fan, but damn, have I seen some nonsense in these shows by that clownshoe they keep giving this to.

Hell, back in the day- RICK BERMAN was the wholesale antichrist, in taking the shows where he did. You know something, his stuff is Shakespeare, copared to what they are pushing now. ?This stuff now is just mean, and ill mannered. Like they are giving you the two finger salute, just to rub it in your face.

Kurtzman gets a lot of personal flack for the way the current Star Trek shows are, but I don't really know enough about him or the function of his job to be able to say you can really lay it down on him or the million other EPs the show has. That said, Discovery's transition into a not-terrible Andromeda style rebuilding the far-future story and SNW's quality first outing tells me his team's at least willing to try to steer the franchise in the direction fans want which is more than can be say for Berman, whos tendency to pull the good-idea/episodic schlock bait and switch ultimately sank the franchsie in the early aughts. That he's able to do it without harassing the actresses, bullying the crew, or infurating his writing staff also seems to be a leg-up he has over Berman (though we'll see what they say about him 20 years from now.)

Anyway, that's better served in the Star Trek thread rather than here.

And oh yeah, I completely forgot about this - but I've always said they should have done an Excelsior show with George Takei as captain.

Long overdue?

Star Trek, Academy.

Use it as a kind of ultra soft reset. Let us follow a class of cadets through to graduation. Show us them learning the lessons of Trek, via lectures and action based on TNG and DS9.

Not only will that help Starfleet feel more cohesive? But it might just encourage writers who have properly understood things. Stuff beyond the Kobayashi Maru test.

Even go for a kind of “what if?” type scenario. Big up Picard and Sisko (not you, Janeway. Mrs Inconsistent*). Show us how classic situations might’ve turned out with less learned and/or determined hands at that particular wheel.

Hell do it as a series of TV Movie type things. No need to cover an entire academical year in full.

Get it right. Get us to love and respect the Cadets as they are, and biggedy biggedy bong you’ve got shake’n’bake characters to drop into other shows, where we see them put their education and talents to the test.

I’ve been Mad Doc Grotsnik. I’ve been right, absolutely 100% spot on here.

Paramount that’ll be £500 per episode for my pitch.

*as ever, the character not the actress. Give even Gordon Ramsey varying turds and demand a cake, and you’re still going to get a cake made from turds.

I suspect they burnt themselves on the wretched Top Gun-style academy episodes during TNG.
Figured it would be a hard sell to go back to the well they poisoned with not-actually-Wesley-Crusher (who I know was a different actor, but was just as annoying) and also actual Wesley Crusher.

Eh, we could argue such episodes are few and far between enough to be glossed over.

I think it's hard to pitch a show set in a school, even a futuristic space school. It would need some kind of hook, something more than just 'oh they graduate the academy' or 'got posted to the same ship and carry on'.

Prodigy does something like this, by having the Janeway hologram run training simulations for the kids who stole the crew and are on the run with it. She also had the main kid do the Kobyashi Maru with past trek characters at the different consoles, all played entirely by archival voice lines.

Hence doing it as a series of TV movies.

Following an entire semester might be too much, let alone an academic year.

But keep it to mini-series, maybe 3 hours tops? We can see the Cadets focus on a historical situation, and learn from inevitable mistakes/deal with the fallout.

Then, when they’re done? Whomever chimed the most with the audience can be Worfed into a spin off show. The rest of the cast can do cameos, or turn up in other shows.

It’s a new thing for Trek, and not something I can really think anyone else has done.

Then, when they’re done? Whomever chimed the most with the audience can be Worfed into a spin off show. The rest of the cast can do cameos, or turn up in other shows.

It’s a new thing for Trek, and not something I can really think anyone else has done.

With good reason. You just made it sound like turning screen tests into completely forgettable churn'n'burn reality shows.
It'd be a detriment to any actor to sign on and hope they don't get relegated to cameo status.

Or ensure they give it their best.

Star Wars… bearing in mind these need to be done well… and when I say well, I mean lean into the pulp space opera atmosphere of the original movie and the Mandalorian, with a pulpy dash of Jaws and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Rogue Squadron? Yes please!

Something exploring Droid rights would be brilliant but done in a pulp space opera vibe rather than a Star Trek sci-fi vibe. Do not get me wrong, TNG Data plots were great for this but I would like a different tone… and not one where folks start calling an AI a SJW.

A New Republic “Elliot Ness” trying to clean up all the organized crime that has flourished during the rebellion. Non-Jedi buddy cop peacekeepers trying to do the job that the Jedi used to do. Dragnet with blasters. Again, lean into the pulp aspect. Maybe give equal time to the other side, perhaps focusing on the Hutt Cartel Godfather tropes. What Boba Fett could have done given the way the Mandalorian skillfully leaned into Wild West tropes. In the background explore lots of regular folks doing every day things to make the galaxy come alive. Obi-Wan could have done that better than it did but it gave a glimpse of the possibilities.

Star Trek… please avoid the bitter, too on the nose, mean spirited, canon ignoring Discovery, Picard, & Kelvinverse Trek.

Captain Sulu and the USS Excelsior? Yes please!

A show about Starfleet security trying to fight a war without becoming “ends justify the means, 20th Century Earth soldiers” could be interesting… and I say that as a former US Army Infantry NCO. A show that admits war is unavoidably ugly but combatants can try to avoid becoming the same as the enemies they are fighting against. Roddenberry optimism cranked way up. Not necessarily people how they are now so much as how they could be. An example of this is in the characters in the TV series the Rookie with Nathan Fillion. But make it clear Starfleet Security has to transition from peacekeeping and law enforcement to war. Show how that transition would need to work to retain the ideals of Starfleet rather than just make Starfleet the hypocritical sham it is in season 1 of Picard. (I admit I have not been willing to subject myself to season 2 yet) Perhaps explore how Andorian military culture might influence Starfleet doctrine, ie use of fighters and deadly melee skills rather than restraints. No need to turn to the Klingons for this.

Captain Worf… interesting either as a Starfleet Captain or Klingon Defense Force Captain. Both have their own appeal. Probably best to have this series be a bridge between the Federation and the Empire, allowing fans of both to be satisfied.

Speaking of Klingons… a Klingon centric show but rebooted to TNG/DS9 Klingon look & culture. Perhaps something exploring Martok's political reforms of the Empire. Or a show about a Starfleet officer on exchange with the KDF and the audience learns about Klingons with this character. Think of it as an extended version of the Riker TNG exchange episode.

I think a Starfleet Academy show is a magnificent idea! Get input from real military and law enforcement academies. It could be a brilliant recruiting tool. And it could educate the audience on Star Trek lore. There could be all kinds of interesting episodes covering science of all sorts as well as the usual student/teacher/family drama. Xeno…Ethics. Philosophy. Biology as well as the Human Earthcentric stuff. Illustrate how the Federation takes the best of each member culture and creates a whole that is greater than the sum of the parts. Holographic projection technology at first leading to real missions later. Explain how a post-scarcity society might work… and how it would look to a new Ferengi Cadet who wants to argue the advantages of extreme capitalism. A great tester for spin-off series based on the most popular students and guest stars. The trick is, this all needs great writing so that it avoids being too preachy. It needs to show more than tell. If it can teach more folks to do real world critical thinking even better.