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Gathering the Informations.

I don't remember having seen it before, but the Guard book has some interesting in-universe speculation about the "Red Angel's Gate". Inquisitorial agents think the reason why the World Eaters were able to move mortals to Armageddon via a warp rift alongside of daemons is because that is where Angron was banished way back when.

The implication is that the banishment of such powerful warp entities has left scars in reality, exacerbated by the whole "Giant Heckin' Warp Rift" opening up after the fall of the Cadian Gate, and those scars are allowing for more stable Chaos shenanigans.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
All the heroes could return and it would still be saturday cartoon stand off. GW can't let setting change so they keep it in status quo. "I'll get you next time!" level stories.

Players wanted to turn setting to advancing story line so GW gave them appearance of it while using saturday cartoon style to maintain status quo as needed.
Again, tearing the galaxy in half is not status quo. Blowing up Cadia is not status quo. Ending the Octarius war with a real winner is not status quo. Metalica would have strong opinions about the status quo but we haven't heard much from them recently... not to mention countless other developments.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of places to issue criticisms on the topic. And it is totally OK to not like the decision to advance the story, but that doesn't make it objectively bad nor does it make the things that are happening status quo.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Again, tearing the galaxy in half is not status quo. Blowing up Cadia is not status quo. Ending the Octarius war with a real winner is not status quo. Metalica would have strong opinions about the status quo but we haven't heard much from them recently... not to mention countless other developments.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of places to issue criticisms on the topic. And it is totally OK to not like the decision to advance the story, but that doesn't make it objectively bad nor does it make the things that are happening status quo.


They're simply moving the goal posts of the status quo.
   
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 Hellebore wrote:
Sanguinius stole a 1st ed Eldar Farseer power - Death Mission, in the latest horus heresy books.


Gameplay for that would work totally differently from how it would work in terms of story or background. The opposing player would redirect firepower elsewhere for those turns and/or shove a sacrificial tar pit to stall. However that is because as an out of universe player, they would know that there is such a power active, whereas in the universe itself it would not be apparent to all except other Eldar or the most learned experts. The enemy in a story (as opposed to a game) would be wasting firepower and trying to take down that Farseer, not knowing that it is impossible.
   
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I tell you what I did like, was the thing about the local Catachan regiments dealing with their warp rift shenanigans before the Indomitus Crusade turned up.

Very easy to imagine the Catachan troopers idly wiping the daemonic ichor from their blades as the shiny Primaris turn up.


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Jarms48 wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Again, tearing the galaxy in half is not status quo. Blowing up Cadia is not status quo. Ending the Octarius war with a real winner is not status quo. Metalica would have strong opinions about the status quo but we haven't heard much from them recently... not to mention countless other developments.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of places to issue criticisms on the topic. And it is totally OK to not like the decision to advance the story, but that doesn't make it objectively bad nor does it make the things that are happening status quo.


They're simply moving the goal posts of the status quo.


If you’re changing it, it isn’t the status quo.
   
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Andykp wrote:
Jarms48 wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Again, tearing the galaxy in half is not status quo. Blowing up Cadia is not status quo. Ending the Octarius war with a real winner is not status quo. Metalica would have strong opinions about the status quo but we haven't heard much from them recently... not to mention countless other developments.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of places to issue criticisms on the topic. And it is totally OK to not like the decision to advance the story, but that doesn't make it objectively bad nor does it make the things that are happening status quo.


They're simply moving the goal posts of the status quo.


If you’re changing it, it isn’t the status quo.


You are right. It isn't status quo. However...

the problem is we're on 'big, galaxy shaking plot' number....7? 8? And none of them have any effect:

The galaxy is cut and half and things in Imperium Nihilus are super bad! (two editions later and we've been shown nothing about how bad it is)
But the Death Guard are invading Ultramar! (cancelled due to rewinding back to the beginning of the Indomitus Crusade)
The Black Legion is using chaos magic and necron anti-warp pylons to extend the Cicatrice Maledictum even further! (I guess that got started and stopped in a novel somewhere?)
Psychic Awakening! (no, seriously, did anything actually happen here?)
Necrons are smoothing the warp! And brains! Faith is the only shield! (did this go anywhere? Did it stop? Is it still ongoing but no one is doing anything about it? Did it cause a chaos/imperium/tyranid/eldar team up because it impacts everybody?)
Abaddon has sent Haarkon-the-not-Night-Lord to claim Gateway Planet through the warp scar! (I think he failed, maybe? Something something Marneus Calgar primaris now)
Abaddon is sending the Arks of Omen to do things! And stuff! Like its one of the Black Crusades or something, I guess. (I assume stuff and things are important, but no idea how, or if it will be relevant to the 6 month 'campaign season ' after this one).

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Voss wrote:
Andykp wrote:
Jarms48 wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Again, tearing the galaxy in half is not status quo. Blowing up Cadia is not status quo. Ending the Octarius war with a real winner is not status quo. Metalica would have strong opinions about the status quo but we haven't heard much from them recently... not to mention countless other developments.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of places to issue criticisms on the topic. And it is totally OK to not like the decision to advance the story, but that doesn't make it objectively bad nor does it make the things that are happening status quo.


They're simply moving the goal posts of the status quo.


If you’re changing it, it isn’t the status quo.


You are right. It isn't status quo. However...

the problem is we're on 'big, galaxy shaking plot' number....7? 8? And none of them have any effect:

The galaxy is cut and half and things in Imperium Nihilus are super bad! (two editions later and we've been shown nothing about how bad it is)
But the Death Guard are invading Ultramar! (cancelled due to rewinding back to the beginning of the Indomitus Crusade)
The Black Legion is using chaos magic and necron anti-warp pylons to extend the Cicatrice Maledictum even further! (I guess that got started and stopped in a novel somewhere?)
Psychic Awakening! (no, seriously, did anything actually happen here?)
Necrons are smoothing the warp! And brains! Faith is the only shield! (did this go anywhere? Did it stop? Is it still ongoing but no one is doing anything about it? Did it cause a chaos/imperium/tyranid/eldar team up because it impacts everybody?)
Abaddon has sent Haarkon-the-not-Night-Lord to claim Gateway Planet through the warp scar! (I think he failed, maybe? Something something Marneus Calgar primaris now)
Abaddon is sending the Arks of Omen to do things! And stuff! Like its one of the Black Crusades or something, I guess. (I assume stuff and things are important, but no idea how, or if it will be relevant to the 6 month 'campaign season ' after this one).

Yeah, it's gonna be me Voss, (big surprise). Haarken is not a Night Lord. At best, he's a turncoat, and we know what the 8th Legion does to those (cue Ruven). Please, keep the Black Legion talk (because that's what we all know all 9th edition CSM talk devolves into) on the Black Legion and away from the 8th. Please Voss. Just give me this.
   
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Voss wrote:
But the Death Guard are invading Ultramar! (cancelled due to rewinding back to the beginning of the Indomitus Crusade)


It's not cancelled. It still happens and the Godblight novel shows the ending of that particular threat, with Guilliman starting to question whether the Emperor is now a god and Mortarion being punished by Nurgle for his failures.

The thing is we have novels and events from the beginning of the Indomitus Crusade whereas we also have novels and events from the end of the Crusade, such as Godblight and Devastation of Baal. With GW not bothering to give dates and timeline now it is hard to piece together events with any precision.

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Voss wrote:
You are right. It isn't status quo. However...

the problem is we're on 'big, galaxy shaking plot' number....7? 8? And none of them have any effect:

The galaxy is cut and half and things in Imperium Nihilus are super bad! (two editions later and we've been shown nothing about how bad it is)
But the Death Guard are invading Ultramar! (cancelled due to rewinding back to the beginning of the Indomitus Crusade)
The Black Legion is using chaos magic and necron anti-warp pylons to extend the Cicatrice Maledictum even further! (I guess that got started and stopped in a novel somewhere?)
Psychic Awakening! (no, seriously, did anything actually happen here?)
Necrons are smoothing the warp! And brains! Faith is the only shield! (did this go anywhere? Did it stop? Is it still ongoing but no one is doing anything about it? Did it cause a chaos/imperium/tyranid/eldar team up because it impacts everybody?)
Abaddon has sent Haarkon-the-not-Night-Lord to claim Gateway Planet through the warp scar! (I think he failed, maybe? Something something Marneus Calgar primaris now)
Abaddon is sending the Arks of Omen to do things! And stuff! Like its one of the Black Crusades or something, I guess. (I assume stuff and things are important, but no idea how, or if it will be relevant to the 6 month 'campaign season ' after this one).

1 - Read Spear of the Emperor. It shows exactly just how screwed up things are and does a good job of explaining how Imperial forces cope (or more accurately don't cope) in Nihilus. There should be more written about it for sure but that will definitely come in the Dawn of Fire series.
2 - Plague Wars still happened and a big chunk of Ultramar fell to Nurgle, a region known as the Scourge Stars. The Plague Wars ended partly because Mortarion lost a bunch of his allies when they went to go fight off minions of the rest of the Pantheon from invading the Scourge Stars.
3 - That's ongoing. One of the Dawn novels has an agent of Abbadon use a big stick of it as a big laser to shoot space ships. It's not a bad book tbh.
4 - Can't defend that. Absolute confusion from day 1.
5 - Pariah Nexus stuff still seems to be going on as it is the focus of that new animated show.
6 - Vigilus held (sort of) but the Nachmund region is pretty ruined and basically relying on drips of reinforcements coming out of the Warp largely at random.
7 - Arks is unknown to me, can't comment.

The idea behind these conflicts is also to give people new places to fight battles in their stories (if you do that sort of thing). How long were the major flashpoints of 40k Armageddon, Cadia, and the Eastern Fringe? New places are getting focussed on and the old places still (in most cases) exist but in new forms. It can't be "The Status Quo" if things have changed and factions have made clear gains or suffered losses.
   
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I think Voss brings up mostly reasonable criticisms above, while there are certainly a few metaphorical asterisks and not all of them are correct, I agree with the overall sentiment. A better job could be done about making the big developments clearly felt to players. AoS does a good job of this IMO.

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i've recently done some lore diving on the 40k wiki and lexicanum, having been away from the game for nearly a decade. not really planning to start playing again, but with the generic ruleset Xenos Rampant and the Stargrave game having come out relatively recently (the latter of which has some thematic elements in common to the current status of the 40k galaxy) i started looking for inspirations.

catching up on some of the lore has been an odd experiance (seriously, they got rid of the Tau Aether Drives? now 90% of their fiction appearances no longer make any sense timeframe wise), and some times i've run across an odd bit that caught my attention.. often in passing, with fridge revelations occuring later that drive me nuts trying to find the reference again since i'd not bookmarked the page.

one such was a bit about a group of Astartes left over from iirc the great crusade, who stayed out in the fringes of the galaxy where the astronomicon doesn't reach, which are still active in the 41st millennium protecting the edge of the imperium from xenos threats outside it. i seem to remember heraldry that looked like a circular swirl thing (like a half open camera shutter) but i might be misremembering that bit.

that caught in my head because after i'd left the page to read other stuff, i remembered that the Legions of the great crusade had been indoctrinated into the Emperor's atheistic humanism, and since said group of marines had such little contact with the Imperium (the point their continued existence wasn't even verified) that they might never have developed the whole "worship the emperor" thing, or would have devloped their own distinct (and to the imperium, borderline heretical) creed despite otherwise being loyalists.

does anyone know the name of that group, or am i misremembering something here?
   
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mithril2098 wrote:
i've recently done some lore diving on the 40k wiki and lexicanum, having been away from the game for nearly a decade. not really planning to start playing again, but with the generic ruleset Xenos Rampant and the Stargrave game having come out relatively recently (the latter of which has some thematic elements in common to the current status of the 40k galaxy) i started looking for inspirations.

catching up on some of the lore has been an odd experiance (seriously, they got rid of the Tau Aether Drives? now 90% of their fiction appearances no longer make any sense timeframe wise), and some times i've run across an odd bit that caught my attention.. often in passing, with fridge revelations occuring later that drive me nuts trying to find the reference again since i'd not bookmarked the page.

one such was a bit about a group of Astartes left over from iirc the great crusade, who stayed out in the fringes of the galaxy where the astronomicon doesn't reach, which are still active in the 41st millennium protecting the edge of the imperium from xenos threats outside it. i seem to remember heraldry that looked like a circular swirl thing (like a half open camera shutter) but i might be misremembering that bit.

that caught in my head because after i'd left the page to read other stuff, i remembered that the Legions of the great crusade had been indoctrinated into the Emperor's atheistic humanism, and since said group of marines had such little contact with the Imperium (the point their continued existence wasn't even verified) that they might never have developed the whole "worship the emperor" thing, or would have devloped their own distinct (and to the imperium, borderline heretical) creed despite otherwise being loyalists.

does anyone know the name of that group, or am i misremembering something here?


There are a couple of chapters that potentially fit that description: Novamarines operate in the Ghoul Stars and have a swirly-thing chapter icon, Ashen Claws are heresy-era remnants and operate outside of the galactic plane and shun the wider Imperium, the Carcharodons pretty much do the same thing but with a shark theme, and the Death Spectres do stuff like that as well + a load of creepy s**t on the side. My money would be on the Ashen Claws, closely followed by the Novamarines.
   
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Sounds a lot like the Carcharodons Astra (Space Sharks). They do have occasional contact with the Imperium, such as during the Badab War.

Almost certainly founded from Terran survivors of the Raven Guard Legion.

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looks like ashen claws.. apparently i was remembering the secondary markings in this pic:

probably because i was skimming articles at that point, and the main emblem in that image is washed out by glare.

that said i probably was mixing up lore bits from multtiple groups.

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Nope, you got it right. The Ashen Claws feature in the Carcharadons novel Outer Dark where the interactions between the Chapters are detailed. The Carcharadons sometimes go to the Ashen Claws if they require a new stock of slaves and aspirants for their war efforts, a deal struck due to the Carcharadons' self-imposed exile from the Imperium leaving them on the very fringes of Imperial space.
The Ashen Claws themselves are the remnants of a former Blackshields group that operated during the Horus Heresy. A former Chapter of the Raven Guard dominated by Terran legionaries, the Ashen Claws were exiled into the depths of space by Corax as they did not conform to his vision of the 19th Legion. They eventually returned and stripped the Nostramo sector bare to the point where when a Chapter of the Blood Angels arrived to reconquer the sector preparing to fight roughly 30,000 Astartes plus support elements, they found nothing but desolation and isolated pockets of Night Lords.
After this the Ashen Claws launched a "Second Crusade" to continue their original mission given to them by the Emperor all the way back in the Unification Wars, a mission that has so far continued into M41.
   
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certainly would give some potential for customizing an army. being able to mix the 40k and 30K bitz.
personally i was a Tau player so Imperium lore is largely more of an academic interest, but sometimes the lore definitely makes me tempted from a modelling perspective. like those guys (M31 marines active in M41? sweet) or the Fallen, which apparently is now a full on mirror dark angels Legion and not just some isolated chaos refugees.

the whole startide nexus thing caught me by surprise on the Tau side. i'm a little miffed at them retconning away the tau "warp skimming" FTL in favor of a purely sublight relativistic approach (which again, make so much of the old lore events where the Tau Empire learned of conditions in outlying systems and responded in days or weeks no longer plausible), but i like the idea of the Tau accidentally creating a portal to a location far from the empire proper, making it easier to justify the Tau being involved in event campaigns without them being restricted to one bit of the galaxy or having to run side story campaigns. though i kinda wish that the outcome had been a little less "we gotta make the tau look ignorant and more evil" through botching the warp systems and making said fleet go insane so they actively murder their auxiliaries. (that the edition also seem to have downplayed the use of auxilaries in the codex other than kroot makes me wonder how much of that aspect was just to avoid having to create new alien species models and statblocks.)
   
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mithril2098 wrote:
certainly would give some potential for customizing an army. being able to mix the 40k and 30K bitz.
personally i was a Tau player so Imperium lore is largely more of an academic interest, but sometimes the lore definitely makes me tempted from a modelling perspective. like those guys (M31 marines active in M41? sweet) or the Fallen, which apparently is now a full on mirror dark angels Legion and not just some isolated chaos refugees.

the whole startide nexus thing caught me by surprise on the Tau side. i'm a little miffed at them retconning away the tau "warp skimming" FTL in favor of a purely sublight relativistic approach (which again, make so much of the old lore events where the Tau Empire learned of conditions in outlying systems and responded in days or weeks no longer plausible), but i like the idea of the Tau accidentally creating a portal to a location far from the empire proper, making it easier to justify the Tau being involved in event campaigns without them being restricted to one bit of the galaxy or having to run side story campaigns. though i kinda wish that the outcome had been a little less "we gotta make the tau look ignorant and more evil" through botching the warp systems and making said fleet go insane so they actively murder their auxiliaries. (that the edition also seem to have downplayed the use of auxilaries in the codex other than kroot makes me wonder how much of that aspect was just to avoid having to create new alien species models and statblocks.)


To be fair gamewize the auxiliaries have been downplayed since at least 6th edition when Tau went full on giant stompy suits Mode.
It's rather a little change of focus that we got a Kroot in Blackstone Fortress and now their own Kill Team. Not enough to make that a pattern but from these two it seems GW is quite fond of Kroot but can't handle their stealthy approach in 40K proper so put them in their skirmish games.
Concerning fluff giving Tau a little Chaos touch isn't bad in my book as I'm quite a fan of Chaos not being just a human + Eldar affair.
   
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The Tau didn't "get a little Chaos touch".

The 4th Sphere Expansion fleet went through the wormhole. The Tau themselves were not affected but the auxiliaries had daemonic possession and daemonic incursion on board the Tau ships. Then the Tau saw the warp entity of the Greater Good looking like a Tau Ethereal but with 5 fingered hands like a human. It was this entity that opened up a safe exit portal for the Tau fleet to leave the warp.
However the Tau were disgusted by this entity as they felt it was a perversion of their Greater Good ideology, and they blamed their auxiliaries for both the daemons and this warp entity. They decided therefore to solve these problems by killing their auxiliaries actively and through sending them on suicide missions.

So the Tau didn't go insane as such. Rather they decided on xenophobia against more psychically active auxiliaries (i.e. pretty much everyone other than Tau), sort of analogous to how humanity in 40K has a negative response to the idea of AI due to the Men of Iron. From these Tau's perspective, any of these auxiliaries were unstable time bombs for further daemonic possession, or at best they were feeding the Greater Good warp entity.

Shadowsun also reacted with disgust at first to her encounters with the Greater Good warp god. However she admitted that faith had its uses as auxiliaries in the 5th Sphere Expansion Fleet had set up little shrines to the Greater Good and these shrines were safe zones against Nurgle's plagues and creeping fungus. The prayers of these auxiliaries also warded off daemonic flies when nothing else seemed to work. So like Guilliman, Shadowsun seems to make concessions to faith due to its effectiveness against the warp.

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AoO Angron.

Angron and Vashtorr both succeed. Angron gets a fair amount of decent characterisation through out.

But man, the World Eaters as a force took a serious, serious kicking. Described as the biggest gathering in a long while, the fall of the planet, and the Imperial fleet’s exemplary skill took a horrific toll.

Not enough to wipe them out, but massive casualties all the same.

   
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They do reap the benefits of being a Legion where the one requirement for application is:
Are you unreasonably angry all the time?
And thanks to the events of that book they've got a whole fleet of recruits to choose from.
   
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Still am a bit baffled how recruitment works when they don't seem to have a geneseed retrieval and implantation plan. One of those fluff running up against logistics problems (kill! Maim! Order sufficient sd/1 bolt shells, 30mm paper clips and 4000 reams of receipt parchment!).


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I think as the writing devolves its ever more the 'galaxy ending threat of the month' to try and bring dramatic tension. I guess they don't want to be overshadowed by the Heresy series?

It does though ignore the reason that wars start isn't the galaxy is ending, but normal, war-ry reasons?

And lots of the great campaigns/fluff weren't galaxy ending. Badab war for example. Which has an in game consequence. Which is fun.

Also (as Rick Priestly once commented) the whole travel/time issue has gone completely out the window. A few authors/writers keep to it, the rest have devolved into the last season of game of thrones travel magic. Now any force can get anywhere almost instantly to fight whoever. Part of the fun of the setting was the unreliability of warp travel that makes every war more desperate because getting reinforced is so dicey.

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Iracundus wrote:
The Tau didn't "get a little Chaos touch".

The 4th Sphere Expansion fleet went through the wormhole. The Tau themselves were not affected but the auxiliaries had daemonic possession and daemonic incursion on board the Tau ships. Then the Tau saw the warp entity of the Greater Good looking like a Tau Ethereal but with 5 fingered hands like a human. It was this entity that opened up a safe exit portal for the Tau fleet to leave the warp.
However the Tau were disgusted by this entity as they felt it was a perversion of their Greater Good ideology, and they blamed their auxiliaries for both the daemons and this warp entity. They decided therefore to solve these problems by killing their auxiliaries actively and through sending them on suicide missions.

So the Tau didn't go insane as such. Rather they decided on xenophobia against more psychically active auxiliaries (i.e. pretty much everyone other than Tau), sort of analogous to how humanity in 40K has a negative response to the idea of AI due to the Men of Iron. From these Tau's perspective, any of these auxiliaries were unstable time bombs for further daemonic possession, or at best they were feeding the Greater Good warp entity.

Shadowsun also reacted with disgust at first to her encounters with the Greater Good warp god. However she admitted that faith had its uses as auxiliaries in the 5th Sphere Expansion Fleet had set up little shrines to the Greater Good and these shrines were safe zones against Nurgle's plagues and creeping fungus. The prayers of these auxiliaries also warded off daemonic flies when nothing else seemed to work. So like Guilliman, Shadowsun seems to make concessions to faith due to its effectiveness against the warp.


See, I know all of this and it's exactly what I was referring to with my statement But I didn't mean Tau as a species but Tau as a faction and obviously that was unclear.
   
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Ditto on the disappointment/immersion break of WE being so one dimensional. Dam shame.

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