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2023/01/19 10:59:01
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Malicious Mandrake
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It would make no difference to me. I'd expect prepainted to be a decent quality, but I've fielded some really horribly painted (and unpainted) figures myself, but still enjoyed the game.
The logistics of likelihood of supply are an entirely different question.
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2023/01/19 11:12:43
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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tauist wrote:Breton wrote: tauist wrote:I'm not seeing how prepaints'd be a viable strategy for GW tbh. How much shelf space does a typical GW store have? Now, imagine, all that shelf space being filled with differently coloured Space Marines, instead of having any actual model selection. Sounds fun? Thought so
Nah, Pre-paints would be a Special Order Upsell if they were anything. Mom and Jr Come in, Junior wants to play, Mom starts making a Christmas list, Sales Clerk tells her they'll either need to get a bunch of paints, glue and brushes, or go to this section of the website and order them already finsihed.
Still not seeing it. The amount of SKU's required would go through the roof. Delivery timetables would be impossible to guarantee during peak business times. The amount of incorrectly fulfilled orders and having to redeliver missing items in a timely fashion, all of that. Just not seeing it as a realistic option for the scale of sales GW does.
I don't see it either, but only because there isn't enough upside not because there's some imagined downside. You're still going to have Artsy Mom and Testors Corvette Dad buy the normal way so they've got a Parent/Child activity to do with Little Timmy - even if they never get around to it. Which means Soccer Mom who buys the prepaints to save her new carpet and hardwood floors just isn't going to generate enough sales.
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2023/01/19 16:52:15
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Breton wrote: tauist wrote:Breton wrote: tauist wrote:I'm not seeing how prepaints'd be a viable strategy for GW tbh. How much shelf space does a typical GW store have? Now, imagine, all that shelf space being filled with differently coloured Space Marines, instead of having any actual model selection. Sounds fun? Thought so Nah, Pre-paints would be a Special Order Upsell if they were anything. Mom and Jr Come in, Junior wants to play, Mom starts making a Christmas list, Sales Clerk tells her they'll either need to get a bunch of paints, glue and brushes, or go to this section of the website and order them already finsihed. Still not seeing it. The amount of SKU's required would go through the roof. Delivery timetables would be impossible to guarantee during peak business times. The amount of incorrectly fulfilled orders and having to redeliver missing items in a timely fashion, all of that. Just not seeing it as a realistic option for the scale of sales GW does.
I don't see it either, but only because there isn't enough upside not because there's some imagined downside. You're still going to have Artsy Mom and Testors Corvette Dad buy the normal way so they've got a Parent/Child activity to do with Little Timmy - even if they never get around to it. Which means Soccer Mom who buys the prepaints to save her new carpet and hardwood floors just isn't going to generate enough sales. Plus, it's not in GW's M.O. The painting part of the hobby is a big upsell and persuasion tactic (if you will) given to sceptical parents. The staff in the GW I used to go in always went on about things like teaching the kid fine motor skills, patience, and being able to flex their artistic side. Have them all prepainted and it will be an even more difficult sell to those mums and dads who think these things are firmly in the category of kid's toys.
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2023/01/19 18:04:03
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Breton wrote:I'll be honest, I'm shocked GW hasn't hired a few people from Mattel to start creating minis with the GI Joe figure pre-"paint". GIJoe is Hasbro(who own WotC, interestingly enough), not Mattel. And we know GW already has a working relationship with Hasbro.
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2023/01/19 18:42:37
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Provided the hypothetical pre-paints don’t replace anything?
Not a jot. Ropey as pre-paints can be, as others have said it’s infinitely preferable to Horde O’Grey. And I say that as a dedicated Tin Boy.
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2023/01/19 19:06:50
Subject: Re:Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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GW have done it before to a very limited extent, but only for collectors pieces. I don't see that changing.
This chapel was prepainted. Wish I'd got one back in the day.
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ChargerIIC wrote:If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is. |
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2023/01/19 20:18:07
Subject: Re:Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Slaanesh Veteran Marine with Tentacles
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Lots of companies offer pre-painted miniatures already. X Wing, D&D, Wings of Glory, Axis and Allies, Mage Knight and MechWarrior Dark Age. They certainly wouldn't have the customization that some kits have, but in a world of mono-pose minis that isn't too big of a difference. I imagine 10x pre-painted guardsmen, cultists, and other chaff horde units would be popular.
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2023/01/20 02:24:23
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Keeper of the Flame
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If they kept it at the current prices it would almost justify the cost.
Still, there are several armies I'd love to pick up for 3rd Ed. that I'm not bothered by paint scheme and would buy preassembled and painted from GW.
Fantasy'd be different with the exception of Brettonia. I'm NOT looking forward to painting that army again...
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2023/01/20 04:19:35
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Grimtuff wrote:Breton wrote:
Plus, it's not in GW's M.O. The painting part of the hobby is a big upsell and persuasion tactic (if you will) given to sceptical parents. The staff in the GW I used to go in always went on about things like teaching the kid fine motor skills, patience, and being able to flex their artistic side. Have them all prepainted and it will be an even more difficult sell to those mums and dads who think these things are firmly in the category of kid's toys.
Yep as I mentioned that works on Artsy Mom and Testor Dad. Prepaints would work on Helicopter Mom, but not enough to justify.
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2023/01/20 04:41:59
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Breton wrote: Grimtuff wrote:Breton wrote:
Plus, it's not in GW's M.O. The painting part of the hobby is a big upsell and persuasion tactic (if you will) given to sceptical parents. The staff in the GW I used to go in always went on about things like teaching the kid fine motor skills, patience, and being able to flex their artistic side. Have them all prepainted and it will be an even more difficult sell to those mums and dads who think these things are firmly in the category of kid's toys.
Yep as I mentioned that works on Artsy Mom and Testor Dad. Prepaints would work on Helicopter Mom, but not enough to justify.
Oh please. Pre-painted models would far out sell some of the existing kits.
For ex; the Hammerfell Bunker. Anyone ever seen one of these being sold? Seen one used in a game - as part of a force? And yet GW keeps this thing in stock/production....
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2023/01/20 08:37:50
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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ccs wrote:
For ex; the Hammerfell Bunker. Anyone ever seen one of these being sold? Seen one used in a game - as part of a force? And yet GW keeps this thing in stock/production....
Yes. I bought three on release. If they're ever reliably placeable and usable, I'd be thrilled. And people generally won't buy a prepainted Bunker that they wouldn't buy in Basic Grey.
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2023/01/20 09:16:56
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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ccs wrote:
Oh please. Pre-painted models would far out sell some of the existing kits.
For ex; the Hammerfell Bunker. Anyone ever seen one of these being sold? Seen one used in a game - as part of a force? And yet GW keeps this thing in stock/production....
I know people who have it.
Not being seen on table has nothing to do being sold unpainted. And the ones i know wouldn't have been bought prepainted as they were bought for painting project as they suck in game.
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2023/01/20 15:56:06
Subject: Re:Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yeah, I'm still betting that a pre-painted squad would out-sell the Hammerfall Bunker.
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2023/01/20 16:25:02
Subject: Re:Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Love prepaints - hate painting and its costly to get them done
Haighus wrote:GW have done it before to a very limited extent, but only for collectors pieces. I don't see that changing.
This chapel was prepainted. Wish I'd got one back in the day.
Managed to get one back in the day - lovely piece of terrain
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2023/01/20 20:26:34
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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I mean, it'd be really nice not to have to pay over 100USD for a well painted centerpiece model for my army. Trajann looks amazing when done well, and looks like the worlds worst accident when done poorly.
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2023/01/20 22:14:17
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Slaanesh Havoc with Blastmaster
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It didn't go so well for Rackham.
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2023/01/23 14:30:20
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It went fine for Rackham. They literally couldn't keep up production with the demand for AT-43 and were looking to solve the issue until they got bought out and the owning company shut them down because they thought they were buying a toy company.
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2023/01/23 15:31:15
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Platuan4th wrote:They literally couldn't keep up production with the demand for AT-43
This is one big downside I see to pre-painted miniature wargames.
From what I've seen many lines that go that way with wargames have the issue that they can often run out of supply and have huge issues meeting demand. However at the same time whilst popularity is high, its still a niche market, so its not high enough to justify massive investment in production growth to meet the demand more readily. And nothing kills a game like an inability to actually get the product. Games rely on hype and production meeting buyer demand, if you miss that then people drift away because they can never get what they want and they spend the money they have on things they can get.
Sure every brand has supply issues from time to time, but prepainted ones seem to get stuck in it very early and digging out is hard. Especially if whilst trying to dig out, the sales drop or never grow to justify/pay the investment to properly grow.
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2023/01/23 16:48:14
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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So anyone know how much an individual GI Joe costs? About 15-20 dollars. Upwards of 60 for the vehicles
Source: https://www.walmart.com/browse/toys/4171_2065565_2550311_5318328
That means a pack of 5 (With all bits included) costs about 60-80 dollars. Guess what a pack five intercessors costs, with extra sprus, paint, brushes, and special decoder ring? About 80-100 bucks.
Are we really gonna say they can't make pre-painted minis? Hasbro does it just fine right now.
Lets say we wanted to do SQUATS instead.
A pack of Lego people costs 50 bucks and comes WITH TERRAIN
Source: https://www.walmart.com/ip/LEGO-NINJAGO-Legacy-Tournament-of-Elements-71735-Building-Toy-283-Pieces/610062521?athcpid=610062521&athpgid=AthenaItempage&athcgid=null&athznid=siext&athieid=v0&athstid=CS004&athguid=-uX0f7OAN_ZVT_gWYnqrEhqjE47r3tCsZyIU&athancid=null&athena=true
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2023/01/25 08:28:29
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Lol you can't seriously use lego's as example?
Well of course if you want GW intercessors to look simple like lego bricks
First picture also shows models are rather simplied there which is what GW would need to do. Forget all the finer details as you need to do special moulds for these versions which gives you less parts to assemble(like 2-3 at most) but to avoid undercuts then need to drop large amount of details.
Yes you can do it cheap but of course then you get what you pay for. Pay for cheap job, get a cheap job.
Would it make economically sense for GW to set up whole different line doubling production costs(before adding paint job)?
If they would just go for one mould then that WOULD affect those who don't want prepainted as they would need to use much simplified lower quality models to paint.
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2023/01/25 10:25:26
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Another thing is production country and workers. GW produces the bulk of their plastics and products in the UK (at Nottingham). Packaging and print material is done overseas, but otherwise the bulk of plastics are cast in the UK.
Now you compare to Gi Joe which is basically Hasbro who produce the bulk of their products in places like China, Vietnam and India. Basically countries where the labour costs are vastly less and which are geared up for mass market mass production.
GW would have to do the same and setup similar factories if they were to achieve pre-painting models.
Not to mention as Tneva notes, the level of detailing would have to change to accommodate very fast painting methods so that the models would look good with a very fast slap of paint.
Lego is interesting because that's another pathway - full automation. Their factory (at least on youtube) is fully automated - everything is machine done. So if GW had a vast glut of money they could go the other way of investing in a huge series of pre-painting machines. However the upfront costs for that would be huge and they'd never need parts in the same volume that Lego needs them in
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2023/01/25 11:06:30
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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Wait, wait, wait.
Hold the press. A major toy corporation would have to off load it's production to the countries where labor practices and employee pay laws are non-existent?
SHOCKED EMOJI.
But seriously. Would it really surprise anyone to learn that GW has been using "cheaper labor" for decades?
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2023/01/25 11:16:24
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Terrain in plastic and some sets (eg underworlds) have been made in factories in China for a long while now.
GW also spent many millions building a new factory in Nottingham and it wouldn't surprise me to see them expand there again and perhaps bring things like terrain back into their local production system.
I mean sure their basic workers at the Nottingham factory won't be paid super wages, but they are like as not paying a lot more in rates, rents, utility costs, worker costs, upkeep, taxes and more by having their production facilities in the UK as opposed to fully overseas.
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2023/01/25 14:26:39
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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tneva82 wrote:Lol you can't seriously use lego's as example?
Well of course if you want GW intercessors to look simple like lego bricks
Then how about we use MegaBloks/MegaConstrux and their micro-action figures? Same size as Lego minifigs, comparable or lower price, much better quality, fully painted, and fully posable with ball joints.
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2023/01/27 13:01:10
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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think the issue wouldn't be the model being painted, more the trouble storing and transporting them fully assembled.
model kits have been made by others with pre-colour for decades - Matchbox used to do it, PECO still do for model rail stuff
what you get is a kit with there parts are on different coloured frames
e.g. think of a space marine, the bulk say blue plastic, but with a frame in black or a dark gun metal colour for weapons, vents for the backpack, grenades etc - providing very basic pre-coloured models when assembled, add decals and go
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2023/01/28 02:35:05
Subject: Would GW releasing pre-painted minis affect how you enjoy the game?
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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I do occasionally buy pre-painted miniatures/scaled models/etc. from other manufacturers, to strip the paint off or just prime them for another paint job. If it's a good sculpt I can deal with a lot.
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