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 Geifer wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Or they've realised they can fit a primaris marine inside terminator armour if they stretch the joints a little? At some point we all know there will be a consolidation/flattening of the curve.


As a fan of Terminators I just hope that the sculptors do what they no doubt did before and just make the models (provided the end up looking good, of course) and not even bother to think up any pretext. Let the fluff writers sort out how to deal with that. Which, I'm sure, is going to be messy after the Primaris fluff for upscaled Marines in new marks of armor they came up with. But like I said, for once I'm just hoping that GW does what they always do, let the sculptors do their thing and not worry about what the rules and fluff writers think.


That's what they did and how we got the mess we have, from my understanding. The miniature designers wanted to change direction with marines and the best the lore writers could come up with was what we've got.

I don't believe there'll be 'non primaris' terminators but everything else seems plausible. Any other Tyranid stuff getting long in the tooth?

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Cypher226 wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Or they've realised they can fit a primaris marine inside terminator armour if they stretch the joints a little? At some point we all know there will be a consolidation/flattening of the curve.


As a fan of Terminators I just hope that the sculptors do what they no doubt did before and just make the models (provided the end up looking good, of course) and not even bother to think up any pretext. Let the fluff writers sort out how to deal with that. Which, I'm sure, is going to be messy after the Primaris fluff for upscaled Marines in new marks of armor they came up with. But like I said, for once I'm just hoping that GW does what they always do, let the sculptors do their thing and not worry about what the rules and fluff writers think.


That's what they did and how we got the mess we have, from my understanding. The miniature designers wanted to change direction with marines and the best the lore writers could come up with was what we've got.

I don't believe there'll be 'non primaris' terminators but everything else seems plausible. Any other Tyranid stuff getting long in the tooth?


Gaunts/raveners/carnifex are 4th Ed or older iirc?
   
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Gaunts/raveners/carnifex are 4th Ed or older iirc?


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Raveners are not as old as those two.

Gaunts are from 3rd Ed.

The Carnifex is from 4th, but are you sure you want a new one?

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This all seems like a non-issue.

GW materials don't agree on the height of marines. Hundreds of arguments about marine heights exist, both pre and post primaris. If you think marines are X.X meters and primaris are Y.Y meters, you're almost certainly wrong, or at least contradicted by at least one book.

In any case there are two routes of obvious solutions:
fluff retcon- Cawl and techmarines refine the primaris process and drain excess growth hormone so primaris going forward lack their aberrant height. Alternately, they use primaris fluids to boost the height of non-primaris marines. Insert whatever 'yadda yadda' works with your headcanon- GW can just change the actual 'canon' anyway.

model rescale (which happens, both intentionally or not). New terminators are more bigger.

Done.

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Voss wrote:
This all seems like a non-issue.

GW materials don't agree on the height of marines. Hundreds of arguments about marine heights exist, both pre and post primaris. If you think marines are X.X meters and primaris are Y.Y meters, you're almost certainly wrong, or at least contradicted by at least one book.

In any case there are two routes of obvious solutions:
fluff retcon- Cawl and techmarines refine the primaris process and drain excess growth hormone so primaris going forward lack their aberrant height. Alternately, they use primaris fluids to boost the height of non-primaris marines. Insert whatever 'yadda yadda' works with your headcanon- GW can just change the actual 'canon' anyway.

model rescale (which happens, both intentionally or not). New terminators are more bigger.

Done.


The height isn't the issue it's the proportions. All space marine armour pre primaris is designed for 80's era minis.
   
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If they do make primaris termies will they still be on 40mm bases or shift to something bigger like a new 45mm base or to a 50mm base?
   
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JSG wrote:
Voss wrote:
This all seems like a non-issue.

GW materials don't agree on the height of marines. Hundreds of arguments about marine heights exist, both pre and post primaris. If you think marines are X.X meters and primaris are Y.Y meters, you're almost certainly wrong, or at least contradicted by at least one book.

In any case there are two routes of obvious solutions:
fluff retcon- Cawl and techmarines refine the primaris process and drain excess growth hormone so primaris going forward lack their aberrant height. Alternately, they use primaris fluids to boost the height of non-primaris marines. Insert whatever 'yadda yadda' works with your headcanon- GW can just change the actual 'canon' anyway.

model rescale (which happens, both intentionally or not). New terminators are more bigger.

Done.


The height isn't the issue it's the proportions. All space marine armour pre primaris is designed for 80's era minis.


So? They can do what they did with the HH Mk6 and change it. Nothing in this process is immutable.

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Tyranids also really could do with a plastic lord of war option. In fact, of all the races they're the one that specialises in large monstrous creatures. There's so much GW could do with a Tyranid lord of war so I'm hoping it's on the agenda.
   
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Frankly, I would love a couple of units of larger, more in-scale Terminators for the Firstborn.

But, if indeed the box set is Nids vs Termies, it may have bunch to do with Boarding Actions becoming a mainstream part of 40k.

Consider:
Space Hulk is always popular when it is re-re-re-released (or is it re-re-re-re-released?) and people who own it tend to play it a lot. Boarding Actions is essentially bringing Space Hulk into the whole of 40k with no limits to who can invade what, and I can see 500-1000 point tournaments focusing on this.

Also:
Biovores seed rooms and corridors with spore mines, Lictors emerge from walls/concealed areas as usual. Pyrovores are just industrial strength flamethrowers who can blow open parts of walls to allow the happy little genestealers to go play with the marines.

10th Edition may end up being a tweaking of the current rules (no new codicies needed, jut a couple of updates) and the formalization of the Boarding Actions (and perhaps another 2-3 new modes) for matched play.

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Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Tyranids also really could do with a plastic lord of war option. In fact, of all the races they're the one that specialises in large monstrous creatures. There's so much GW could do with a Tyranid lord of war so I'm hoping it's on the agenda.


GW has been directly porting a lot of FW resin with HH 2.0 recently. Heriodules would make sense.
   
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Tangential but there's been an amendment to AoO detachments, some exceptions are called out by character name, but "loyalist primarch" is used for gman. Suspect.
   
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Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Tyranids also really could do with a plastic lord of war option. In fact, of all the races they're the one that specialises in large monstrous creatures. There's so much GW could do with a Tyranid lord of war so I'm hoping it's on the agenda.

Yeah, FW models (Hierodules, Hierophant, Harridan) or Dominatrix or maybe even Hydraphant would be awesome to have in plastic.
   
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 Stevefamine wrote:
Everyone remembers battle for macragge. This would be a great box

I'd certainly be up for a M2O of the crashed Aquila at some point - assuming it isn't mixed up on the sprue with the 'Nids & SMs.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

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You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
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Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Tyranids also really could do with a plastic lord of war option. In fact, of all the races they're the one that specialises in large monstrous creatures. There's so much GW could do with a Tyranid lord of war so I'm hoping it's on the agenda.


This was in the fluff section of the Octarius book:

   
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 xttz wrote:
Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Tyranids also really could do with a plastic lord of war option. In fact, of all the races they're the one that specialises in large monstrous creatures. There's so much GW could do with a Tyranid lord of war so I'm hoping it's on the agenda.


This was in the fluff section of the Octarius book:


Could be variations of Hierophant or Hydraphant or something new.
   
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Funnily enough I was just reading my Hive War book for Epic, brushing up on the as yet untranslated units.

For a Super Heavy, could do a lot worse than a Dominatrix, though one suspects a change in name might be needed!

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 Dysartes wrote:
 Stevefamine wrote:
Everyone remembers battle for macragge. This would be a great box

I'd certainly be up for a M2O of the crashed Aquila at some point - assuming it isn't mixed up on the sprue with the 'Nids & SMs.

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Voss wrote:
So? They can do what they did with the HH Mk6 and change it. Nothing in this process is immutable.


Indeed, Abaddon has his proportions tweaked like this, but he's still wearing recognisably Tactical Dreadnaught Armour.

(And I would expect something quite similar.)
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Funnily enough I was just reading my Hive War book for Epic, brushing up on the as yet untranslated units.

For a Super Heavy, could do a lot worse than a Dominatrix, though one suspects a change in name might be needed!

Essentially a Super Heavy Beastie Spawn Progenitor. Massively psychically powerful, big old bio cannon, and strong in the Hive Mind.


Well i doubt tyranids get warlord equilavent in plastic before imperium gets.

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Bio-titans are too big for plastic.

Plastic LoW are usually in the baneblade/Knight size category, while Bio-titans are, well titans.

Although there is also the issue that FW superheavy nids are actually downscaled from their Epic and lore versions, where a hierophant is actually the size of a Warlord and a Hierodule was the size of a Warhound.

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Rescaled TDA? Aren't the Space Marine Heroes termies already upscaled?

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 Dysartes wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Why should they bring new Terminators for the Older Marines instead for the Primaris.

If we're lucky, it's a sign of someone in the Studio rediscovering something akin to "good taste".

TIL that better proportions = bad taste

Going the Primaris route for Terminators is something that we should be happy about.
   
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 The Phazer wrote:
Voss wrote:
So? They can do what they did with the HH Mk6 and change it. Nothing in this process is immutable.


Indeed, Abaddon has his proportions tweaked like this, but he's still wearing recognisably Tactical Dreadnaught Armour.

(And I would expect something quite similar.)

Just a shame they released the 54mm scale version of the model, really.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

tneva82 wrote:
You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... 
   
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EviscerationPlague wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Why should they bring new Terminators for the Older Marines instead for the Primaris.

If we're lucky, it's a sign of someone in the Studio rediscovering something akin to "good taste".

TIL that better proportions = bad taste

Going the Primaris route for Terminators is something that we should be happy about.


There's far more of a difference to Primaris Marines than just "better proportions".
   
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 xttz wrote:
While Valrak has been right with some rumours before, it's worth pointing out that it was also this time last year that he said Tyranids would get "updated gaunts and other refreshed models" with their then-upcoming codex for 9e.

Although I guess if you keep mentioning obvious releases long enough they'll show up sooner or later...





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 Tyran wrote:
Bio-titans are too big for plastic.

Plastic LoW are usually in the baneblade/Knight size category, while Bio-titans are, well titans.

Although there is also the issue that FW superheavy nids are actually downscaled from their Epic and lore versions, where a hierophant is actually the size of a Warlord and a Hierodule was the size of a Warhound.

I'm not sure about that. We have the Stompa in plastic (for like 15 years now), and that isn't much smaller than a Warhound and is considerably bigger than a Questoris knight. It looks to be pretty similar in size to a Hierophant, which are pretty spindly and lightweight for a scout-titan equivalent. The Hierophant looks entirely doable as a LoW model in plastic.

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Technically Tyranids got one of the first on the Trygon; however with Knights, Stompa and more on the tables now the scene is very different than it was when the Tyrgon landed. Even the Hierodules from forgeworld have both been reclassed as heavy instead of lord of war class because, honestly, whilst they were massive back when Carnifex were the biggest, they are now only average in size class.

So Tyranids do have a gap for a larger Lord of War - something not as big as a Heirophant, but bigger than many of their current bugs.
I could see a Dominatrix being one option for a Lord of War that would bring something powerful to the table and could be scaled down abit to make it practical for the tabletop.

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