How many years until Cadian people are no longer the poster children of the Guard? (All gone)

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**lcmiracle**

@Haighus yeah I mean, of course they look differently from the Cadians, which is why I wrote making the new lore say that they are adopting some of the Cadian style will make releasing upgrade kits a lot easier. A few heads, maybe a some motif bits here and there, done.

Also, based on this article as well as the spruce on the GW store, it seems certainly the new cadian kits' arms are modular. So an upgrade spruce for the other regiments that changes the pauldrons isn't impossible -- hell, arguably GW may just release some really buffed arms and call it "Catachan Jungle Fighters Upgrade Kit" for 40 quids!

**tneva82**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I mean, no one is making more Cadians unless there is a book out that deals with a eugenics program I'm not aware of, so that being said, it's an entirely dead sub faction of the IG, right? It's akin to the Tanith. There will never be another "Cadian" so why do we still have such a hobby hard on for them? Can we please just make them a new faction of soldiers, and say they are "baseline guard"?

I mean, if the books are anything to go by, Cadians are dropping by the regiment to fighting with Chaos, so they can't logistically keep up right? No one's popping out new Cadians at the rate they're dying, and even if they were, they're not Cadians. Just make the Catachan the official Guard stand in, and be done with it.

So how many decades/years will it take for all born Cadians to be effectively dead. Creed is in Suspended animation right?

Nobody's making them? GW's factories are making them by the bucketload.

**Haighus**

tneva82 wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I mean, no one is making more Cadians unless there is a book out that deals with a eugenics program I'm not aware of, so that being said, it's an entirely dead sub faction of the IG, right? It's akin to the Tanith. There will never be another "Cadian" so why do we still have such a hobby hard on for them? Can we please just make them a new faction of soldiers, and say they are "baseline guard"?

I mean, if the books are anything to go by, Cadians are dropping by the regiment to fighting with Chaos, so they can't logistically keep up right? No one's popping out new Cadians at the rate they're dying, and even if they were, they're not Cadians. Just make the Catachan the official Guard stand in, and be done with it.

So how many decades/years will it take for all born Cadians to be effectively dead. Creed is in Suspended animation right?

Nobody's making them? GW's factories are making them by the bucketload.

This is the lore subforum. They mean the planet Cadia is no longer producing Cadian soldiery, because the planet exploded.

Obviously GW is making plastic kits of Cadians.

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

Unless I am very mistaken, Tneva was using the invisible /s modifiers.

**Deadnight**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

So how many decades/years will it take for all born Cadians to be effectively dead. Creed is in Suspended animation right?

Cadia is a state of mind and a 'way' as much as a place.

And as long as Cadia stands, Cadia lives.

**Jarms48**

Cadia wasn't just a planet. It was a system, a sub-sector, and sector. With many more worlds than just Cadia itself. As well as moons, asteroids, and likely artificial orbitals.

Ever since modern Cadia existed it has likely sent billions of Guardsmen across the galaxy. These soldiers having their own children, their regiments given the right of settlement, or being merged with other PDF's on planets they reinforced.

Cadian's are everywhere even if their planet was destroyed.

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

This is silly. Cadia isn't a planet, not a right. This is like White people marking Native American on the Ethnicity because they did a spit test and found they had less than 2% Cherokee Ancestory. You don't get to bebop up to the Reservation and just claim ancestry.

**lcmiracle**

Cadian are now on a diaspora, and they will fight all the harder remembering the cause of their exiles. They live, they fight, they stand. Cadia is forever.

**cody.d.**

Well, will the purple eyes fade? Assuming Native born Cadians are having relationships with non-cadians as they colonise/mirgrate to new planets.

That is assuming the purple eyes were genetic and not some quirk of being born a bolt shot away from the eye of terror.

**Gert**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
This is silly. Cadia isn't a planet, not a right.

Cadia is a system, a sector, and the common name of the homeworld of the Cadian Regiments. The planet commonly known as Cadia is actually Cadia Prime. Apart from that, novels and Codexes have made points of various Guard Regiment cultures superseding the individual soldier's planet of origin, a point you keep ignoring in favour of weird biological arguments that are at best creepy and at worst eugenics-y.

This is like White people marking Native American on the Ethnicity because they did a spit test and found they had less than 2% Cherokee Ancestory. You don't get to bebop up to the Reservation and just claim ancestry.

No, it isn't because Cadian isn't an ethnicity or race. At best it's a nationality at which point you can't ascribe genetic markers.

cody.d. wrote:
Well, will the purple eyes fade? Assuming Native born Cadians are having relationships with non-cadians as they colonise/mirgrate to new planets.

That is assuming the purple eyes were genetic and not some quirk of being born a bolt shot away from the eye of terror.

The violet eyes that many Cadians have are a result of living in close proximity to the Eye of Terror. It's a common trait but not universal, however.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Depends if the purple eyes thing is a dominant or recessive trait.

I’m a blue eyed mutant freak. If a hypothetical crotch spawn occurs, and the unfortunate mother had brown eyes? Said crotch spawn is more likely to have brown eyes, because the mutation is recessive. But, their kids down the line could end up with blue eyes. Rare, but not unheard of (though if memory serves, two blue eyed parents can’t have brown eyed sprogs? Generally. Not sure genetics is ever a sure thing)

**Haighus**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Depends if the purple eyes thing is a dominant or recessive trait.

I’m a blue eyed mutant freak. If a hypothetical crotch spawn occurs, and the unfortunate mother had brown eyes? Said crotch spawn is more likely to have brown eyes, because the mutation is recessive. But, their kids down the line could end up with blue eyes. Rare, but not unheard of (though if memory serves, two blue eyed parents can’t have brown eyed sprogs? Generally. Not sure genetics is ever a sure thing)

Eye colour is complicated because there is more than one gene... but broadly, I think that is correct.

This is assuming Cadian violet eyes are genetic, and not an environmental effect of prolonged exposure to the Eye of Terror.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

It could be “kind of both”.

An evolutionary adaptation caused by some side effect of living next to what became The Eye of Terror.

Actually. That’s an interesting thought.

We know from a Heresy novel (I want to say The First Heretic, feel free to correct) before Cadia was Cadia, it was a world of Chaos Worshippers, who sent the Word Bearers force on their fateful trip. Or at least played a role. Been ages since I read it.

Now. We of course know The Eye of Terror is (or was) the remnants of the Eldar Home Worlds/System, evidence for the birth of Slaanesh.

And we know the birth of Slaanesh blew away the galactic warp storms, allowing the Great Crusade to get underway proper.

That….doesn’t leave an awful lot of time for The Eye of Terror itself to be responsible? As in, maybe a century or two?

**Gert**

Pretty sure it's stated in First Heretic that the violet eyes is due to exposure to the Eye. Might have to reread that bit to be 100% certain.

**cody.d.**

Gert wrote:
Pretty sure it's stated in First Heretic that the violet eyes is due to exposure to the Eye. Might have to reread that bit to be 100% certain.

Hmmm, the first heretic huh? Would it be a reliable source? Perhaps a wordbearer trying to lay claim to an Emporer's gift by saying it was the work of the dark gods?

**Danny76**

alextroy wrote:
GW just renewed the Cadian line of models. It is safe to say Cadians will be the poster child for the Imperial Guard for at least the next decade. Others will get their own books released, but Cadians are the standard.

But we must also bear in mind that the standard Cadian pattern Armour is the most mass produced in the Imperium, used by many many other regiments.
All the other unique style regiments we see are the ones that aren’t the norm/populated uniforms and such.

So they can change the main ones without changing the models.

**Gert**

cody.d. wrote:

Hmmm, the first heretic huh? Would it be a reliable source? Perhaps a wordbearer trying to lay claim to an Emporer's gift by saying it was the work of the dark gods?

This was prior to their fall to Chaos so no. I don't have the book on hand to check so I can't verify whether it's accurate that the Eye causes the mutation.

**NinthMusketeer**

I've always taken Cadians as representative of what the average guardsman looks like. The specific Cadian aspect comes in behavior and culture, allowing them to be both unique in the lore and generic in miniature form. Quite a good way of doing it in my opinion, but I may be confirmation-biasing myself.

**RaptorusRex**

As others have told Fezzik, "Cadian" isn't something tied up in your genetic code. Guys such as the Vresh Grenadiers or Truskan Snowhounds are certainly Cadian regiments in style, if not birth.

**Olthannon**

Gert wrote:
cody.d. wrote:

Hmmm, the first heretic huh? Would it be a reliable source? Perhaps a wordbearer trying to lay claim to an Emporer's gift by saying it was the work of the dark gods?

This was prior to their fall to Chaos so no. I don't have the book on hand to check so I can't verify whether it's accurate that the Eye causes the mutation.

It's a bit of a nod and a wink moment where the big reveal is these humans they find on the planet have purple eyes. They don't say what the Eye of Terror is yet. I believe the Cadians were cultists and are the ones that lead the Word Bearers to Chaos.