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Dudeface wrote:
GSC as a codex are in a weird space, they require more options in other slots to be a rounded force, being 50% characters doesn't give many real list building options outside of them. The brood brothers implementation is so clunky it might as well not be there, they offer some units and roles that the gsc book doesn't, but without any of the faction perks of being guard and the gsc ones not applying to them, I don't see the dataslates offering enough to be worthwhile in isolation.

Yeah. I think there are always going to be mechanical issues with Brood Brothers. GW presumably don't want to get a situation where "the way to run" GSC is 75-80% Guard and then a Patriarch+20 Purestrains or something.

But it feels like you could resolve this with a more carefully curated list of units which can be taken.
Its hard to believe if say you lost "brood brothers" as it stands - but could take say basic infantry squads, heavy weapon squads, sentinels and Russ Tanks as standard GSC units, with cult creeds, crossfire etc, it would be that broken.

I guess it might annoy people who want a bigger selection of Guard stuff for roleplaying etc.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I do find it interesting that everything released for HH so far has been cross-compatible with 40k. That will change with the jetbikes, however.

don't worry, I'm sure GW will make a 40k datasheet for them and many other 30k-"exclusive" units soon enough.

drbored wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I do find it interesting that everything released for HH so far has been cross-compatible with 40k. That will change with the jetbikes, however.

don't worry, I'm sure GW will make a 40k datasheet for them and many other 30k-"exclusive" units soon enough.

I understand why it's bad for the 30k setting and moral integrity if they do, but monetarily it's stupid not to.

Seems like the Spartan in 40k can't do the turret Lascannons, which is a bit dissapointing.

 Insectum7 wrote:
Seems like the Spartan in 40k can't do the turret Lascannons, which is a bit dissapointing.

i mean, thats the least of the spartan's problems lol

Dudeface wrote:
GSC as a codex are in a weird space, they require more options in other slots to be a rounded force, being 50% characters doesn't give many real list building options outside of them. The brood brothers implementation is so clunky it might as well not be there, they offer some units and roles that the gsc book doesn't, but without any of the faction perks of being guard and the gsc ones not applying to them, I don't see the dataslates offering enough to be worthwhile in isolation.

Yeah, they need an upgrade kit, they need some more datasheets, and I wouldn't object if the Brood Brothers was improved.


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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I do find it interesting that everything released for HH so far has been cross-compatible with 40k. That will change with the jetbikes, however.

I'm not sure. They're going to have to upjump Sammael soon. And they're going to have to create some sort of jump-pack/flying Primaris Fight squads. That pairs well with each other and Cawl making new wargear.

Dudeface wrote:

drbored wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I do find it interesting that everything released for HH so far has been cross-compatible with 40k. That will change with the jetbikes, however.

don't worry, I'm sure GW will make a 40k datasheet for them and many other 30k-"exclusive" units soon enough.

I understand why it's bad for the 30k setting and moral integrity if they do, but monetarily it's stupid not to.

I don't really understand the moral issue of selling the models they make for multiple games they make. In the past, a lot of 30k vehicles were listed as 'Relic' vehicles that you could only take a limited number of.

Now that the models are in plastic and Forgeworld isn't on the hook for selling some overpowered thing again (leviathans, remember them dominating the field a few years back? poor FW employee whose sole job it was to make grav bombards for 5 months straight.

As for the 30k setting, those that want to play 30k will continue to do so and those that want to double-dip into 30k and 40k will do so and those that want to stick to 40k will also do so. Not really bad for the setting.

But hey, some people like to make sure their peas and their mashed potatoes are on separate plates, and that's their biz.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I do find it interesting that everything released for HH so far has been cross-compatible with 40k. That will change with the jetbikes, however.

*Laughs maniacally in Mechanicum

Marines may get cross-compatibility with all their HH releases but we sure don't!

Are we counting the new Primaris Rocket/ML devestator Centurions? I forget their name, likely Masticators?

Mariongodspeed wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I do find it interesting that everything released for HH so far has been cross-compatible with 40k. That will change with the jetbikes, however.

*Laughs maniacally in Mechanicum

Marines may get cross-compatibility with all their HH releases but we sure don't!

Remind me - how much has been released for the Mechanicum since HH2.0 dropped?

 Dysartes wrote:

Mariongodspeed wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I do find it interesting that everything released for HH so far has been cross-compatible with 40k. That will change with the jetbikes, however.

*Laughs maniacally in Mechanicum

Marines may get cross-compatibility with all their HH releases but we sure don't!

Remind me - how much has been released for the Mechanicum since HH2.0 dropped?

nothing yet, hopefully they start making Mechanicum plastic kits with rules in 40k (please give me dark mech)

drbored wrote:


I don't really understand the moral issue of selling the models they make for multiple games they make.

In this context I'd describe selling them with 40k rules as morally wrong because it cheapens the history and fluff of 40k, whilst simultaneously removing a lot of the exclusive appeal of 30k.

drbored wrote:


I don't really understand the moral issue of selling the models they make for multiple games they make

I dont have any issue with most of the 30k stuff showing up in 40K, but the jetbikes thing is mainly that its already established canon that imperial combat jetbikes are almost extinct in m41, with the custodes being the only known major users and the only ones known to have the ability to make new ones. The dark angels have ONE, and thats considered a holy relic of a bygone era, reserved for the master of the ravenwing.

so introducing the heresy jetbikes into 40k as surviving relics en mass would be breaking established lore, needing a retcon, which is what people are upset about: the changing of the lore to suit corporate profit whims.

xerxeskingofking wrote:

I dont have any issue with most of the 30k stuff showing up in 40K, but the jetbikes thing is mainly that its already established canon that imperial combat jetbikes are almost extinct in m41, with the custodes being the only known major users and the only ones known to have the ability to make new ones. The dark angels have ONE, and thats considered a holy relic of a bygone era, reserved for the master of the ravenwing.

Its rumored they have a bunch of them, and every time the one Sammael rides around on is destroyed, the pull another one out of mothballs too.

so introducing the heresy jetbikes into 40k as surviving relics en mass would be breaking established lore, needing a retcon, which is what people are upset about: the changing of the lore to suit corporate profit whims.

Meh. Its not like nobody has the tech, and a Space Marine is now Lord Commander. Nor would it necessarily be the 30K Jetbikes - especially not for the Primaris, as you'd need a different kit with a different rider. But there is a missing fast flying deep striking Primaris Fight Squad.

 Dysartes wrote:

Mariongodspeed wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I do find it interesting that everything released for HH so far has been cross-compatible with 40k. That will change with the jetbikes, however.

*Laughs maniacally in Mechanicum

Marines may get cross-compatibility with all their HH releases but we sure don't!

Remind me - how much has been released for the Mechanicum since HH2.0 dropped?

Fires of Cyraxus predates HH2.0 and was to be AdMech's bridge.

xerxeskingofking wrote:

drbored wrote:


I don't really understand the moral issue of selling the models they make for multiple games they make

I dont have any issue with most of the 30k stuff showing up in 40K, but the jetbikes thing is mainly that its already established canon that imperial combat jetbikes are almost extinct in m41, with the custodes being the only known major users and the only ones known to have the ability to make new ones. The dark angels have ONE, and thats considered a holy relic of a bygone era, reserved for the master of the ravenwing.

so introducing the heresy jetbikes into 40k as surviving relics en mass would be breaking established lore, needing a retcon, which is what people are upset about: the changing of the lore to suit corporate profit whims.

Meh. If gang scum from necromunda can do jetbikes, clearly the tech isn't lost or relics. The dark angels were just trying to be edgy and lying about it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

Mariongodspeed wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I do find it interesting that everything released for HH so far has been cross-compatible with 40k. That will change with the jetbikes, however.

*Laughs maniacally in Mechanicum

Marines may get cross-compatibility with all their HH releases but we sure don't!

Remind me - how much has been released for the Mechanicum since HH2.0 dropped?

Fires of Cyraxus predates HH2.0 and was to be AdMech's bridge.

The wider point, that both yourself and Mariongodspeed seem to have missed, is that I'm pretty sure Gadzilla was talking about within the HH2.0 timeframe, as otherwise his statement is incorrect, as there are number of HH SM units produced under FW that aren't cross-compatible with 40k.

Gad may want to confirm that, but if that is the case, then as nothing has been released for the Mechanicum since 2.0 dropped - especially not in plastic - then there is no way to compare the two. Or, depending on how you look at it, exactly the same proportion of HH2.0 releases for SM and Mechanicum have been cross-compatible with 40k...

 alextroy wrote:
Extra sympathy to Custodes, Thousand Sons, Drukhari, GSC, Tyranids, and the most neglected Imperial Knights and Harlequins (are we even a faction any more?).

As a Drukhari player, I'm actually enjoying our neglected status. It means we don't have to worry about our highly-customizable Kabalite and Wych kits being replaced by monopose kits anytime soon.

Right now, by virtue of their older kits dating back to before GW misplaced the STC for making poseable models, Drukhari are likely among the top 3 most conversion-friendly factions.

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Thanks for compiling this.

Now I hate to make trouble but...

Don't all those Horus Heresy new releases have 40k rules as well?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Thanks for compiling this.

Now I hate to make trouble but...

Don't all those Horus Heresy new releases have 40k rules as well?

Some do, they're a token effort at this take though so not sure they count, they don't exist in a codex generally.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Thanks for compiling this.

Now I hate to make trouble but...

Don't all those Horus Heresy new releases have 40k rules as well?

There's the Kratos and Spartan, but I think that's it?
And Kratos only has Loyalist rules, not CSM ones.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Thanks for compiling this.

Now I hate to make trouble but...

Don't all those Horus Heresy new releases have 40k rules as well?

There's the Kratos and Spartan, but I think that's it?
And Kratos only has Loyalist rules, not CSM ones.

There's a contemptor dreadnought profile for the old monopose in codex space marines and one for relic terminators. I'd count the kratos as a 9th ed pdf likely should be valid, but everything else is imperial armour and not really touched for 3 years at this point.

Even if the rules didn’t get upgraded, it’s still a new model. A few other releases are just plastic versions of old kits.

Should count IMHO.

Added the Contemptor.

 Dysartes wrote:

The wider point, that both yourself and Mariongodspeed seem to have missed, is that I'm pretty sure Gadzilla was talking about within the HH2.0 timeframe, as otherwise his statement is incorrect, as there are number of HH SM units produced under FW that aren't cross-compatible with 40k.

And the point that you've missed is that we literally had a product that got to the point of being shown off as part of a GW event that was to bring existing Mechanicum items into 40k, but was shelved. By all accounts it was finished. It just got shelved.

Gad may want to confirm that, but if that is the case, then as nothing has been released for the Mechanicum since 2.0 dropped - especially not in plastic - then there is no way to compare the two. Or, depending on how you look at it, exactly the same proportion of HH2.0 releases for SM and Mechanicum have been cross-compatible with 40k...

Considering how much of the HH2.0 releases from FW have been shoulder pads, heads, and Praetors?

There's still more compatible than you're making it out to be.


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 JNAProductions wrote:
Added the Contemptor.

You forgot Darkstrider for the Tau. His plastic kit was the only new item that came with the 9E codex.

Updated with Darkstrider.