Sgt_Smudge wrote:So why Black Templars? Why not, like, literally any other non-Marine group? Are Black Templars exponentially more popular than any other group? I think not.
Black Templars have unique stuff. Salamanders don't. Why don't they have these concerns?
Did you see the title of the thread? Sorry I thought this it was obvious I was speaking about the
BTs. Why because I am interested in them? collect them personally? and have the 9th edition codex? And entertain their lore by spending a lot of time discussing it and taking in commentary?
These are my initial thoughts on the presentation of the hobby side. I hadn't planned to give any thoughts on your favorites here.
A few posts ago this was touched on by someone else, and sure I feel for you. I'm giving an opinion, I don't assume I hold some power to dictate what
GW does next. Though my money is green.
But hey like I said it's not meant to detract from your expectations for your own desires. People get pretty ruffled when someone shares and opinion about what direction a developer should go. This actually hasn't generated as much kick back as I thought it potentially could since
40k is an incredibly broad IP. And there's a ton of folk on dakka.
Everyone's got an interest somewhere and
BTs are my interest. There is no one cause here, many avenues to appreciate and support it beyond tactical play.
I also support your right make a topic about what should be done next.
It again was mainly a critique of the art style/sculpts and how they present market those (I presume we're allowed to critique on a public forum?) well then that was it. If someone told me why everything was perfect I'd listen, but so far just hearing why I shouldn't have spoken.
Sgt_Smudge wrote:Because people have to sculpt and design and market and store those models? I don't know your experience, but it's a damn sight harder than "oh, let's just throw in these models, because we can totally design and publish and market entire new sculpts with all their appropriate machining, molds and sprues just at the drop of a hat, no extra design time needed.
First, the
BT's are not just some a random unknown chapter, despite this when you search
specifically on
BTs at
GW's website you find a few
BT branded items and then it's Ultra Marines? Now first checking this all out, I had to search around the website a few times to make sure I didn't miss something. I had no idea if the parts were interchangeable as I didn't know anything. And it's not clear on the website at all (or I missed it)
But that low bar has since been hurdled and I feel the same about it now as being incomplete marketing.
And yes I acknowledge it's the same of Iron Hands etc. It does fall under marketing, but I do not believe it a detractor to better market the factions with their own stuff.
So community outreach first then website kits later or in some other decade. Seems odd to me, but yes you're well beyond the entry level of first-finding-out what's what and who is who, where and how. Unlike people who just discover it for the first time, but perhaps not through the books or through gaming circuits.
Box branding and images on the website which reflect the faction they're for. That's not asking for the world, and very surface level. It's not like the
BT's are going away any time soon so they shouldn't be worried about making extra box art when they already have plenty of it.
I think this is just better promoting what they have even if it's the same unit for the UM's.
Very surface level, cosmetic and still in my opinion should be done at some point in the next 40 years. I didn't put a deadline on it.
Sgt_Smudge wrote:Again, they can't just magic up new models out of nothing? You don't think they need to design them, make the plastic molds, create stock, and still have them match the quality of other material? AS WELL as doing everything they already have planned? And you want this for just the BT? Or for EVERY faction?
But they do on the whole, it's not like they don't have the templates for any characters as you've pointed out some.
GW is doing rather swell overall, I don't believe they're hurting financially. They're growing in fact. They own the most popular wargame franchise in the world. They're in a far better position to be putting stuff out regularly than these Indy companies/guys and gals on Etsy.
Sgt_Smudge wrote:Yeah - I think maybe you're missing the bigger picture here. There's so much more that GW have on their plate beyond doing some more minor BT heroes.
It's great that you love it, and want to be more involved, but I'll let you in on a little secret - there's a lot of factions, and a lot of them are in worse positions than you.
Yep. I agree, I feel like I'm repeating myself a bit here so I won't. I don't retract much of my
OP either. Because I believe I can have some thoughts on this and acknowledge that at the same time and let
GW decide as if they were reading this (or are they?)
Sgt_Smudge wrote:These are all characters and entities that have long been named and notable, beyond just their own faction. I'd be surprised if even most BT players knew who half of those BT characters are, and it seems like you just pulled out a list of characters from either an old Codex or Lexicanum who are known ONLY by a footnoted name, and nothing else. Meanwhile, any of the characters I've mentioned above are pretty influential, more than just a footnote from a single appearance, and offer more to the game than more characters from an oversaturated faction.
No not an old one, but the current 9th edition codex. Pardon for placing any kind of importance on them considering they were important enough to be in it. That said thank you for providing that list, I'll include them next time too.
I'm not addressing
BT players really, but I get the tactical wargame takes precedence throughout history. My first exposure to Warhammer was the
RPG.
It sounds as though there is only one way to warhammer, but I disagree.
Sgt_Smudge wrote:So why Black Templars? Why not, like, literally any other non-Marine group? Are Black Templars exponentially more popular than any other group? I think not.
I think it should be clear now, but I support your favorites getting what they need too. Anything that is officially cannon, popular, and core to the game/story that is currently lacking I will support getting that fleshed out properly all the way from a marketing level to more content.
No issue at all with that.
Gert wrote:It does still come off as very whiney when of all the armies to make custom models for, Marines have it by far the easiest.
Kitbashing isn't for everyone but IMO a lot of people also think that for something to be a kitbash it has to be eight kits with loads of reposing when in reality a weapon or head swap is a kitbash. Marine characters also tend to be a bit "bland" in that they all generally fall into head/weapon swap territory. For Templars, it might be more down to painting heraldry and the like at which point all I can say is practice painting.
Yep. But lets say I was just buying assembled and painted models as a collector because of time, job, life etc. Now I have the time and will to try out the hobby, where as I did not before. It's a pretty significant learning curve.
But to old vets I get it's merely old hat, to build, chop, and paint 'em up me boyz!
So and just for refence too has anyone seen the Warhammer JoyToys? Are these even official? They're out of Texas.
https://joytoyfigure.com/collections/joytoy-warhammer-40k/
I believe these are action figures that look as good if not better than the models in some respects (maybe it's the scale/detail level), and they're ready to hit the ground running unless I again missed something and they really need to be assembled and painted?