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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On the armour Marks, my first question would be “but why?”, as it’s not gonna make a difference beyond aesthetics.

I mean, isn't that reason enough?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On the armour Marks, my first question would be “but why?”, as it’s not gonna make a difference beyond aesthetics.

Same goes for 40k. Why did primaris even need different armou? Why need for mk2-7?

Even in 6mm, it makes sense that Sons of Horus wear visible Mk4 and Death Guard Mk3. Also GW can sell more stuff to Space Marine fans.


IF (IF!) Epic returns, it absolutly makes sense to start in the Horus Heresy because:

- Easier to produce ans lesser investment with only "one" faction
- Space Marines!

Wish they would have kept going with the Heroes of Black Reach; that's basically 15mm scale Epic and would have been ripe for adding in all the extra factions.

Besides having it in cardboard with the option to upgrade it with 3D miniatures would have been a great way to go - somewhat cheap to get into and easy to garner more money by encouraging the upgrade to 3D.

RazorEdge wrote:
Even in 6mm, it makes sense that Sons of Horus wear visible Mk4 and Death Guard Mk3. Also GW can sell more stuff to Space Marine fans.


IF (IF!) Epic returns, it absolutly makes sense to start in the Horus Heresy because:

- Easier to produce with only "one" faction
- Space Marines!

"One" faction where if they did expand to add the others after, a significant portion of that stuff would be incompatible and they'd have to make new kits anyway.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:On the armour Marks, my first question would be “but why?”, as it’s not gonna make a difference beyond aesthetics.

Mentlegen324 wrote:I didn't say they couldn't. Of course its something they'd physically be capable of doing. I said it's such a small thing that it doesn't make a lot of sense to put so much of a focus on that aspect of the miniatures.

Oh bless you dear souls, I beg you, steer well clear of small-scale Napoleonics or WW2 communities...

Pilum wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:On the armour Marks, my first question would be “but why?”, as it’s not gonna make a difference beyond aesthetics.

Mentlegen324 wrote:I didn't say they couldn't. Of course its something they'd physically be capable of doing. I said it's such a small thing that it doesn't make a lot of sense to put so much of a focus on that aspect of the miniatures.

Oh bless you dear souls, I beg you, steer well clear of small-scale Napoleonics or WW2 communities...

Ah yes, my DBM Mithridatic army in 6mm would have some words to say about accuracy...

 Albertorius wrote:
Looks like it's tuesday (it's not, but you get my drift xD)

Yeah, it's Tuesday for like 5 years running now. Actually, probably more like 7 since 'Epic when?' started as soon at GW revealed they were working on a new version of AT. As if AT could only be a stepping stone. And here comes AI, another stepping stone! Even though it's a different setting full of xenos.

Whatever. It'll happen or it won't. I'd just like AT to get a little more love (i.e. more Titans) before it folds. TO ME, if they want to move toward Epic it makes more sense to at least bring a couple xenos factions into AT, let the molds pay for themselves, and THEN bring Imperial AND xenos infantry and tanks into a more well-rounded Epic concept that would be appealing to a wider audience. I don't have the business plan, though.

See, there's also risk in launching a HH Epic that some will inevitably feel is an incomplete product. Because probably the second place comment in AT boards behind "Epic when?" is "Xenos when?" If people feel that way about AT and it's kept potentially interested customers on the sidelines, then the same will happen with HH Epic.

For me, it absolute makes sense to start with the populary HH and then expand the game to the great Crusade later.

So many new stuff they could introduce - and unknown factions.

 Stormonu wrote:
Wish they would have kept going with the Heroes of Black Reach; that's basically 15mm scale Epic and would have been ripe for adding in all the extra factions.

They recruitment system for Black Reach is very slick as well. I could see it being adapted for an Epic-like game.

Sadly, the license was not renewed.

Only GW knows what they're actually going to do with AT, AI or Epic, and the rumours - at best - come across as forum-post-trawling and passing off the findings as from "reliable sources".

To give themselves time to dip their toes into infantry and tanks, it would make sense to add them to Adeptus Titanicus which is already set in the Heresy era, and the rules can accomodate them. In games where Knights are the focus, and even smaller 1K point games, such units would open up the game.

Aeronautica Imperialis could do the business if it were a simple case of only needing a simple core rule set - much like the original AT rules set back on it's release - and just the models to play. The use of hexes was completely unnecessary and especially so given that they still sell the game rules but no maps to play on! From day one we've been using Horizon Wars instead - a regular gaming surface - and its clear as day that GW has been scoring own-goals since.

Let's fuel the rumours and point out that Titandeath is now No Longer Available:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Titandeath-sb-2019

I'll take "Stock ran out and GW bean counters decided it wasn't worth ordering another print run"

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'll take "Stock ran out and GW bean counters decided it wasn't worth ordering another print run"

Nah, it can only mean one thing.

Well, despite this being a rumor for half a decade at least now, GW can't increase profits every single year without giving us more stuff to buy. Though given 10th edition is coming out, and The Old World is coming out (I think), maybe this year isn't the right year. But given an infinite profit growth curve, mathematically speaking it has to happen eventually.

 gorgon wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'll take "Stock ran out and GW bean counters decided it wasn't worth ordering another print run"

Nah, it can only mean one thing.

It means that this book is sold out (online) and will not be reprinted anytime soon or at all, everything else is speculation.

 zedmeister wrote:
Let's fuel the rumours and point out that Titandeath is now No Longer Available:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Titandeath-sb-2019

New Undead faction bringing back dead titans through Necromancy

 gorgon wrote:


Nah, it can only mean one thing.

That this is the work of Holme's arch nemesis - Professor Moriarty! With all due haste, gentlemen, gather your coats for we leave for the Reichenbach Falls within the hour!

Why would you want GW to return to Epic in the first place?

For rules, you've got NetEpic Gold and NetEpic Armageddon for both flavors of Epic. There's the EpicAU rules which can be a bit difficult to find, but allow you to play Horus Heresy with the Epic Armageddon rules (and they even have a full army builder). Or Imperius Dominatus for a system that's more "out there" but still lets you play big battles of the Heresy.

3d printing means you're not hurting for 6mm-8mm figures.

Is this just a case of GW being the path of least resistance?

 gorgon wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'll take "Stock ran out and GW bean counters decided it wasn't worth ordering another print run"

Nah, it can only mean one thing.

Half-Life 3 confirmed?

I remember those crazy, heady days of...last week...when everyone thought that "big" and "seismic" reveals at Adepticon meant EPIC CONFIRMED!

How young and foolish we were...

I have only one thing to say when Epic 30K hits the stores:

SHUT UP AND & TAKE MY MONEY!

Men of Iron would be great! Now it all makes sense why GW is so reluctant to release infantry for 30K. We should save our bucks for the forthcoming Epic 30K game at the end of the year. Good idea, Gee-Dubbs!

I also bought a new table this year. Dimensions are 125 cm x 185 cm. Just imagine how much room the units have for an Epic game to maneuver. Bikes will be viable for the first time.

Men of Iron?

Epic 25K confirmed!!1!!

Titanicus is kind of straining at its limits right now.

There isn't much more to do with the existing game walkers of different sizes with different guns.

They can bigger with the Imperiator and that's about it.

They can go nuts with Chaos Titans of course, but that's a big investment with a questionable return.

And they've said they're not doing Xenos titans any time soon.

So what's next?

Well they can start creeping beyond walkers.

Fortifications at first. That's a few major releases and people will jump on the chance to play Titan siege games.
Then superheavies, from Baneblades and Shadowswords to Colossi to Leviathans.
And then tanks...
And then it's all over. We're playing Epic.

There's also smaller than the Warhound with the Rapier, Kid, as far as I recall.

 Dysartes wrote:
There's also smaller than the Warhound with the Rapier, Kid, as far as I recall.

Yeah, but you can do that like once, and that's already stretching it because you're threading a thin line between heavy knight and supralight titan already. You can also do Thanatar-class Mechanicum robots or more Ordinatus engines, but their tactical scope is slim at best and that's basically just fishing for stuff you can do.

Frankly, Epic 30K is the most logical step for Titanicus/Imperialis to continue.

An Imperitor makes a grand appearance heralding the end of Titanicus and the beginning of Epic30K. Epic 30K becomes a simple starter set: Land Raiders, Rhinos, Predators, Sicarans and LOTS of infantry and fortifications. Nothing sculpted for a specific legion (FW releases).

4 years later, the 2nd Edition (5th?) launches with the after-heresy wars: orks, eldar, chaos undivided etc.

Then, sales pending, they could modernize Epic with Necrons, Nids, Votaan and the like.

Yes, that is a plan I would hope happen...

 Sacredroach wrote:
Frankly, Epic 30K is the most logical step for Titanicus/Imperialis to continue.

An Imperitor makes a grand appearance heralding the end of Titanicus and the beginning of Epic30K. Epic 30K becomes a simple starter set: Land Raiders, Rhinos, Predators, Sicarans and LOTS of infantry and fortifications. Nothing sculpted for a specific legion (FW releases).

4 years later, the 2nd Edition (5th?) launches with the after-heresy wars: orks, eldar, chaos undivided etc.

Then, sales pending, they could modernize Epic with Necrons, Nids, Votaan and the like.

Yes, that is a plan I would hope happen...

The big question is: do they even want yet another 'main game' they can and need to support for years? At the moment, we're seeing them roll out their two definite main games, 40k and AoS, with great regularity while also supporting a handful of side games quite adequately, even though some of them are basically 100% compatible with a main game. We also know that they're commited to Horus Heresy in the long term, and apparently have big-ish plans for The Old World, and it's a mystery what's up with ForgeWorld. There's so much stuff we plainly do not known that it's very hard to extrapolate where they're trying to go with all of this.

OK granted there are more they can do with Knights and Titans.

They can do Mechanicus/Dark Mech Titans. They can do construction/work mechs pressed into service. No shields, improvised weapons, but cheap as chips.
Rebuild scrap Titans held together with duct tape and the will of the Machine God.
Plus new guns, new variants etc.

Yeah there's stuff to do. But would any of that bring in a single new player?

A single sprue of fortifications and siege weapons however...

To say nothing of Super Heavies.

Rapier light scout, light battle titan between Warhound and Reaver, non Nemesis version of the Warbringer (melee focused?) for new titans. New sprue of weapons for each current class to bring a bunch of the resin guns into plastic. Armor plate sets to make corrupted titans, probably starting with the classic Khorne Banelord. Ordinatus as super heavy artillery. Shadowsword and variants as heavier armed but less durable support than knights.