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LordofHats wrote: The reality of a real fight is getting hit by someone who wants to hurt you hurts.
I have to disagree. It hurts after the fact sure, but I've never felt a blow in an actual street fight, just in sparring. Granted, I've only been in 4~ or so.
You are right with the rest, running is the best option followed by non-lethal options (pepper spray), and lastly firearms (if American).
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warhead01 wrote: Youtube served this up to me some time ago. I really like this channel they do a good bit of explanations along with their techniques.
I like this particular move and hope to keep it filed away in the back of me head for emergences. Mostly because it's fairly simple and because it looks like it would be get results.
Edit.
So Akban says it's a ninja fighting system. Disregard that if it's a turn off.
Is that a possibility, realistically, against somebody throwing hand strikes of some type? It looks impractical to me, but, again, grappling arts are not my thing. Thanks.
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Nah. Jujitsu derives from the earliest form of Sumo (which was just wrestling and didn't involve very large built men) back in the 1500s.
There technically is no such thing as a 'ninja' fighting system as the image of a ninja in modern culture is the product of plays and Japanese theater more than history. Historical 'shinobi' is basically an 'unconventional war fighter' or a more mundane 'spy.' Basically any peasant who was paid money to do something dishonorable/disloyal/dishonest in service to someone else. In terms of equipment and skillset, their training wouldn't have been much different from peasant infantry or they'd just be some dude working in a clerks office passing info on the side for payment.
The modern image of the ninja combines several different things into one 'image.' Rebel fighters like the Ikko Iki, court spies and political agents, and oddball clans like the Koga and the Iga who were peasant fighters who tried to imitate the structure and style of a Samurai family while doing this sort of unconventional (by Samurai standards) work. There's no record of any of them have an explicit or distinct 'fighting system' that survives today. Most of the stuff billed as ninja martial arts today is just repackaged karate, jujitsu, or other stuff. Like the above video. It really just looks like Aikido with extra steps.
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warhead01 wrote: Youtube served this up to me some time ago. I really like this channel they do a good bit of explanations along with their techniques.
I like this particular move and hope to keep it filed away in the back of me head for emergences. Mostly because it's fairly simple and because it looks like it would be get results.
Edit.
So Akban says it's a ninja fighting system. Disregard that if it's a turn off.
Is that a possibility, realistically, against somebody throwing hand strikes of some type? It looks impractical to me, but, again, grappling arts are not my thing. Thanks.
I wouldn't think so- this is presented as a counter to a grip on your collar, so someone grabbing you. Best thing to do when fighting a striker as a grappler is try to block on your way in, and get too close for their effective range.
As to this video- I wonder what's keeping the guy in grey from just straightening out his arm. When BJJ do that sort of lock, we call it a kimura or americana, and it involves holding the wrist of your opponent. Same tension and joint attack, but it helps prevent the opponent from squirming out of it.
This isn't really meant as a criticism or my 'martial arts are better than yours' thing, just genuinely curious.
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I think @LordofHats more or less hit the nail on the head.
Aikido with extra steps, maybe. I think it could be taken from Jujitsu? but I wouldn't way that was a wrong description. As far as I know Akban is a fighting system more than a ninja fighting system. Ninja fighting systems aren't really exactly a historical thing and there is a lot of lively debate about that on the internet. But historically not really a thing.
The big one I have heard about is Bujinkan
But I feel like that misrepresents itself depending on who is teaching and at what school. I don't have a horse in that race.
Again, they have a bit of a catalog to go through ad some of it seems like it might be worth looking at. Like I said if "ninja anything" is a turn off feel free to disregard. I totally understand. I list like all kinds of fighting arts and some times they're presented one way or another if not how one would expect.
When I look at that video I see a method of turning an army into a leaver.
It's situational for sure.
I was hoping people would share martial arts material they like. Not to be critical so much as to just open that world up to the rest of us.
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I think Aikido and Jujitsu are closely related. It's been a few years since my middle/high school days so there is some stuff I remember and a lot I've forgotten. Aikido is modern and a mixed style. It's not as old as Jujitsu or Karate but the makers of it were probably familiar with both.
warhead01 wrote: I think @LordofHats more or less hit the nail on the head.
Aikido with extra steps, maybe. I think it could be taken from Jujitsu? but I wouldn't way that was a wrong description. As far as I know Akban is a fighting system more than a ninja fighting system. Ninja fighting systems aren't really exactly a historical thing and there is a lot of lively debate about that on the internet. But historically not really a thing.
The big one I have heard about is Bujinkan
But I feel like that misrepresents itself depending on who is teaching and at what school. I don't have a horse in that race.
Again, they have a bit of a catalog to go through ad some of it seems like it might be worth looking at. Like I said if "ninja anything" is a turn off feel free to disregard. I totally understand. I list like all kinds of fighting arts and some times they're presented one way or another if not how one would expect.
When I look at that video I see a method of turning an army into a leaver.
It's situational for sure.
I was hoping people would share martial arts material they like. Not to be critical so much as to just open that world up to the rest of us.
My understanding, which consists of purely second-hand stuff, is that the ninja weren't really great fighters, they were just really good sneaks, which is what you want out of an assassin. An assassin who has to waste time kicking everybody's ass will get outnumbered or out-weaponed pretty quickly. What he wants to do is get in, do whatever is lethal and get out.
He's not a soldier, neither is he a bodyguard. He's the guy trying to past the soldiers and bodyguards, do whatever is necessary (poison is quite nice) to kill the target and get out with his life.
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First, all means to conciliate; failing that, all means to crush.
warhead01 wrote: I think @LordofHats more or less hit the nail on the head.
Aikido with extra steps, maybe. I think it could be taken from Jujitsu? but I wouldn't way that was a wrong description. As far as I know Akban is a fighting system more than a ninja fighting system. Ninja fighting systems aren't really exactly a historical thing and there is a lot of lively debate about that on the internet. But historically not really a thing.
The big one I have heard about is Bujinkan
But I feel like that misrepresents itself depending on who is teaching and at what school. I don't have a horse in that race.
Again, they have a bit of a catalog to go through ad some of it seems like it might be worth looking at. Like I said if "ninja anything" is a turn off feel free to disregard. I totally understand. I list like all kinds of fighting arts and some times they're presented one way or another if not how one would expect.
When I look at that video I see a method of turning an army into a leaver.
It's situational for sure.
I was hoping people would share martial arts material they like. Not to be critical so much as to just open that world up to the rest of us.
My understanding, which consists of purely second-hand stuff, is that the ninja weren't really great fighters, they were just really good sneaks, which is what you want out of an assassin. An assassin who has to waste time kicking everybody's ass will get outnumbered or out-weaponed pretty quickly. What he wants to do is get in, do whatever is lethal and get out.
He's not a soldier, neither is he a bodyguard. He's the guy trying to past the soldiers and bodyguards, do whatever is necessary (poison is quite nice) to kill the target and get out with his life.
Ok, to kinda cap off the ninja stuff, which I do truly enjoy but I think it's leading way off topic now, here's a fun video about ninjas in the ancient times. I think this is the one I was looking for there may be another somewhere which if I find it I'll drop it here.
And if you want more fun ninja stuff check out real ninja history, which you can find on Youtube.
For more aikido check out Lenny sly on youtube but you may have to google the name to get the channel. He believes in pressure testing and has a few different material arts under his belt.
Hard to hurt with icy mike and another channel that's more towards MMA and self defense.
I do not care for Sensei Seth all that much I hate his side kick. He makes it work but it's very much not at all the way I learned it so it irks me.
The Karate nerd channel is not bad, he does travel around and explores the history which is cool.
warhead01 wrote: I think @LordofHats more or less hit the nail on the head.
Aikido with extra steps, maybe. I think it could be taken from Jujitsu? but I wouldn't way that was a wrong description. As far as I know Akban is a fighting system more than a ninja fighting system. Ninja fighting systems aren't really exactly a historical thing and there is a lot of lively debate about that on the internet. But historically not really a thing.
The big one I have heard about is Bujinkan
But I feel like that misrepresents itself depending on who is teaching and at what school. I don't have a horse in that race.
Again, they have a bit of a catalog to go through ad some of it seems like it might be worth looking at. Like I said if "ninja anything" is a turn off feel free to disregard. I totally understand. I list like all kinds of fighting arts and some times they're presented one way or another if not how one would expect.
When I look at that video I see a method of turning an army into a leaver.
It's situational for sure.
I was hoping people would share martial arts material they like. Not to be critical so much as to just open that world up to the rest of us.
My understanding, which consists of purely second-hand stuff, is that the ninja weren't really great fighters, they were just really good sneaks, which is what you want out of an assassin. An assassin who has to waste time kicking everybody's ass will get outnumbered or out-weaponed pretty quickly. What he wants to do is get in, do whatever is lethal and get out.
He's not a soldier, neither is he a bodyguard. He's the guy trying to past the soldiers and bodyguards, do whatever is necessary (poison is quite nice) to kill the target and get out with his life.
Ok, to kinda cap off the ninja stuff, which I do truly enjoy but I think it's leading way off topic now, here's a fun video about ninjas in the ancient times. I think this is the one I was looking for there may be another somewhere which if I find it I'll drop it here.
And if you want more fun ninja stuff check out real ninja history, which you can find on Youtube.
For more aikido check out Lenny sly on youtube but you may have to google the name to get the channel. He believes in pressure testing and has a few different material arts under his belt.
Hard to hurt with icy mike and another channel that's more towards MMA and self defense.
I do not care for Sensei Seth all that much I hate his side kick. He makes it work but it's very much not at all the way I learned it so it irks me.
The Karate nerd channel is not bad, he does travel around and explores the history which is cool.
I'd enjoy seeing or reading anything you all are interested in, all the martial arts you enjoy.
Keep it coming!
Weirdest fight of my life, and I'm not even sure I can really call it that.
A couple of buddies and I were just coming out of Larkins Hall, the major gym at Ohio State University in Columbus. We had tried - unsuccessfully - to start a martial arts club there.
Anyway, were were just kind of jabbering on, as we left about our proposed club, when this kid (early, 20s, I was maybe 40 at the time) turned to me and said something about how he knew he could take me out.
We all stopped talking, and I rolled my eyes inwardly, but said something along the lines of, "Yeah, you probably could.", and tried to dismiss it with a smile.
He got a little more aggressive, came a little closer and say, "Throw a punch."
I replied that I wasn't interesting in fighting him, but he repeatedly told me to throw a punch, telling me that he was really skilled in judo.
Finally, just to let it go, I decided I'd give him what he wanted. So I lightly threw a punch, he turned around and tried to flip me over his shoulder. I can't even think what that's called in judo now.
He grabbed my right hand (not wrist) and as he was turning around, I simply yanked it away and thrust it into his upper back, knocking him sprawling into the grass.
No real fight. I helped him up, and asked him to join us next week. Of course he didn't, but he looked pretty sheepish until he left.
Now, is that a definitive example? Absolutely not.
However, I think it does point out that grappling arts take a lot to learn, but can breed an easy overconfidence, especially in someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does.
Please understand that I'm not saying striking arts are better than grappling arts. I AM saying that an oblique kick to the knee or a palm strike to the jaw is a lot easier to learn how to be effective at (I believe) than a judo throw.
And even striking arts are hard to learn. The first and most important thing that you have to learn is how to not let yourself freeze for that crucial half second while he's mocing in to throw you, punch you, eye-jab you, or send explosive psionic beams into your head.
If you can learn how to move within that half second, you'll probably be okay.
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