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NAVARRO wrote:So are the washes discontinued? Sorry didnt follow the full thread.

We don't know for sure anything yet.

NecronLord3 wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:So are the washes discontinued? Sorry didnt follow the full thread.

We don't know for sure anything yet.

Thanks! With so many pages on this thread I imagined something was up... or down

Crossing fingers that washes are left alone.

I cannot imagine that they'll be discontinuing their washes!

Where did you get that impression from?

Mostly, it sounds like they are just putting pretty new names on their paints.

Either new names or new formula...the paints themselves shouldn't change...


Although I can imagine GW doing some limited edition collectors paints. The old colours in the old pots...

Alpharius wrote:I cannot imagine that they'll be discontinuing their washes!

Where did you get that impression from?

Well its like a trend you know, the few things I like to collect from GW are either turned into other things or discontinued so I always expect the worst... With Spacehulk being the exception to the rule.

Another rumour over at Warseer:

Mastodon wrote:They will not be removing individual paints from stores. In fact they've just begun sending out all new racks for the new range. Calm yourself.

New racks would almost have to indicate different paint pots. If the paints were the same, they could just use the existing racks with new inserts. You would only need new racks with the existing pots if there is a massive increase in the number of pots that need to be displayed.

Kirbinator wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:Why do i have a sinking feeling that Devlin Mud will get dropped despite it's mystical qualities...

Thanks for that thought CT. Now I have to go buy two more pots of it just in case this actually happens. Fear-induced purchases; ugh.

feth, I knew I shouldnt readv whole posts from the beginning. More Devlin Mud for me then, though I will use it so no biggie.

Bakerofish wrote:

Fighting8th wrote:Did they think that hobbyists needed to be told in what order to apply their colors?

lol you wouldnt believe how dogmatic some people can get about colors and how to paint stuff. if GW tells them to do it a certain way then that is LAW to some people.

Dont forget though, the hobby doesnt just consist of "aged" veterans, it needs to lure new people in as well.

And trying to provide something for both group isnt easy, and certainly isnt cheap if you have 2 product lines.

Foundations and Washes will stay largely the same. Which is good, because those are some of the best products on the market. I can say that, confidently, as a professional painter.

Andrew1975 wrote:My God the lengths GW will go to Copyright something.

Yeah, heaven forbid they protect themselves. I mean, at least they are protected from someone, say, stealing their models and blocking them from making their own *cough*ChapterHouse Studios*cough*.

Oh wait...

As to the lids and the flow: these paints aren't meant to be painted out of the bottle, except perhaps the washes. These are designed to grab a drop, put it on a palette, and then close the lid. The paint won't dry out, and you get a good portion for mixing, thinning, and applying. The paint is also thicker so that the user determines whether it needs to be a single coat (Foundation), or thinned for multiple layers, glazes, or highlights. That's the fault of RMS or VGC/VMC: you have one really thin consistency, where the pigment and water separate in the bottle, and there must ALWAYS be 2034283840923042 layers applied to saturate an area with color.

I have used all of the paints on the market, and each brand has it's pros and cons. Most people are simply no good at painting and/or never use or care for their supplies properly.

Protect themselves from what? They're colours!

brassangel wrote:I have used all of the paints on the market, and each brand has it's pros and cons. Most people are simply no good at painting and/or never use or care for their supplies properly.

Yeah go tell that to the guy that stored 50+ GW paint pots ( some not ever opened before) next to his Vallejos ones for a couple years in a contained temperature enviroment to check later that something like 75% or more of GW dried and none of the vallejos did... Oh wait go to a hobby store and pick some GW paint pots and when you open them they are dried, so yeah clearly its a bad usage problem!

I'm surprised you claiming to be such uber painter and not knowing that! Even I with just some few decades on my painting belt noticed that.

Even factoring in user error, when other paints on the market don't suffer the exact same problem, it's hard not to call the GW paints subpar.

Though, I think it's safe to say that the tendency to dry out quickly is a feaure, not a bug.

I mean, properly pumped, non-anti-lock brakes should work pretty well on ice. That doesn't mean a care without ABS is just as good as one that has it.

Polonius wrote:Even factoring in user error, when other paints on the market don't suffer the exact same problem, it's hard not to call the GW paints subpar.

Though, I think it's safe to say that the tendency to dry out quickly is a feaure, not a bug.

I mean, properly pumped, non-anti-lock brakes should work pretty well on ice. That doesn't mean a care without ABS is just as good as one that has it.

The problem starts when the car with our witout ABS simply has no oil on the motor.

I really want to like GW paints. I really do. I've grown to like the color schemes and the names.
The pots just seem to be a waste of money to me.
I'm a casual painter and and even less casual player but Im getting tired of dropping pots cause they cant be popped open with one hand.
My other hand has a beer in it so ...

The pots hold paint so they do their job well enough. The seal as long as you clean the edge everytime. The little tongue in the lid is useless, if I can't get paint from it then it's useless.

Maybe the new pots will be the same with just a better designed lid that locks open and doesnt drip......

According to the manager of my local GW individual paints will no longer be sold in most stores, they will be direct only.

Independent Retailers can still stock items that are "Direct Only". However, we do so at a significantly decreased margin. Considering that both Reaper and Army Painter have new lines coming out at the same time, each with more than 30 colors, including metallics and washes, such a change will remove Citadel paint from the "competitive market". Why would any retailer want to pay $2.40 (this is cost for a Direct Only item retailing for $3.70) for a .25oz pot, when we can purchase .5oz pots from other companies for $1.50 - $1.85?

At the same time that the new paint range shall hit us (that means around April) GW will implement an new system of modules for their independent retailers (it is my understanding that it is a worldwide change).

This change has not been announced to Independent Retailers in the United States so far, and we all have binding contracts with GW. There IS currently a system called "Range 2 Stockist" which requires retailers to carry certain models from all 3 lines, but that practice has been in place for at least 4 years here in the US, perhaps more. Also, it is not a requirement for retailers to be Range 2 Stockists. If it becomes one, of if they require us to purchase material we don't want in order to get material we need, there will be a whole new set of problems between retailers and GW.

They will not be removing individual paints from stores. In fact they've just begun sending out all new racks for the new range.

Not in America, at least not yet. If anyone's local shop has a new rack, I'd love to see a pic. This could mean reshaped pots, more pots, or perhaps they have just switched from floor-standing displays to counter displays to match the competing lines being released this spring.

Oh wait go to a hobby store and pick some GW paint pots and when you open them they are dried.

I have received several complaints from people buying foundation sets, where this very thing happens. The pots in their sets were over 2 years old, despite the fact that they had just been received from GW.

That's the fault of RMS or VGC/VMC: you have one really thin consistency, where the pigment and water separate in the bottle, and there must ALWAYS be 2034283840923042 layers applied to saturate an area with color.

The Reaper Master Series HD line, which was released last year when they discontinued the Pro-Paint line, gives you better coverage but keeps the better flow characteristics. Check it out if you have the opportunity.

Is there a decent replacement for Reaper Pro Dragon Gold? That paint is invaluable to me and was sadly discontintued. I have 2 of the HD paints and the red is complete crap and the bone is meh. Neither covered particularly well, especially when compared to Mechrite Red and Dheneb Stone.

I don't know if it's an issue with the pots, but I've replaced all my GW pots with dropper bottles and so far(been about a year or two) none of them have dried out.

Steve54 wrote:
According to the manager of my local GW individual paints will no longer be sold in most stores, they will be direct only. In stores they will sell a larger variety of paint box sets tailored to specific armies/races

This is one of the stupidest '...a Redshirt told me..." rumors that I've heard in a long time.

Paints are 10% of GW's sales. That is a huge amount to just throw away, and that's what they would be doing by not having a paint rack of individual colors. No one is going to be buying a box of paint to get one color, and very few people will have the patience to order from direct. Paint is an absolute impulse buy. Everyone buys too much paint because they don't want to run out.

In independent stores, you'd see those sales shift immediately to other paint lines.

Just no way in hell GW would do this. They'd lose money, and GW hates to lose money.

The only box set I want is one that comes with a 12 pack of Devlan Mud.

mikhaila wrote:[i]Steve54 wrote:
This is one of the stupidest '...a Redshirt told me..." rumors that I've heard in a long time.

Agree, no way this is true. To be brutal a red shirt knows less than you do, even if they do they will say what ever they think will generate more sales.

Red shirt. We are stopping selling paints as singles
Customer : Wow better stock up on xxxxx paints
Red shirt has generated more sales

Yes I do work for GW and I see these tricks all the time

mikhaila wrote:The only box set I want is one that comes with a 12 pack of Devlan Mud.

Really they should sell that in tubs.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

mikhaila wrote:The only box set I want is one that comes with a 12 pack of Devlan Mud.

Really they should sell that in tubs.

I can see it now, the GW $75 Gallon O' Devlan! And we'd buy it, that's the sad part.

Yeah but with that much Liquid Talent you could start shading your house!

"Hey dude... did you get a new car?"
"Nah man. Devlin Mud. gak does everything!"


I can even see that being one of those meme-motivational posters. Big pic of a Devlin Mud pot with "Devlin Mud - gak does everything!" on it.

Today I checked the local GW store and the fella was actually refilling the paint racks with the same pots, I took the oportunity to inquire about it and he was not aware of any change to the paints... I know most of the times they are clueless but nevertheless no news so far.

brassangel wrote:*cough*ChapterHouse Studios*cough*.
...
That's the fault of RMS or VGC/VMC
...
Most people are simply no good at painting and/or never use or care for their supplies properly.

Just going to throw this out there. If you're a professional painter looking for commissions, you should really focus on how you're presenting yourself online.

I'm considering getting some stuff done and was going to check out your rates & quality. Frankly, I've been turned off.

NAVARRO wrote:Today I checked the local GW store and the fella was actually refilling the paint racks with the same pots, I took the oportunity to inquire about it and he was not aware of any change to the paints... I know most of the times they are clueless but nevertheless no news so far.

Per Mikhaila, the only current difference is the amount of paints that independent retailers are getting. GW shops proper would not be affected.

Independents no longer, if I remember the specifics right, can order specific paints in bulk but rather have to order single pots to restock.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah but with that much Liquid Talent you could start shading your house!

"Hey dude... did you get a new car?"
"Nah man. Devlin Mud. gak does everything!"


I can even see that being one of those meme-motivational posters. Big pic of a Devlin Mud pot with "Devlin Mud - gak does everything!" on it.

Woah, nice haircut man!
Haircut? Nah, I just threw on some devlan mud this morning

NAVARRO wrote:So are the washes discontinued? Sorry didnt follow the full thread.

WHY are people thinking they will stop selling washes
FFS the washes probably give GW more money then the howl lizardman range

Claimh_Solais wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:So are the washes discontinued? Sorry didnt follow the full thread.

WHY are people thinking they will stop selling washes
FFS the washes probably give GW more money then the howl lizardman range

Seriously.
Right now I'm letting some of my colors run down, as they've instructed. I've got the option to order them in 1's instead of 6's. No price change, just versatility. Some colors I still have a nearly full rack of, and slowly going down. Black/white/bloodred/boltgun I have to re-order a half dozen or more each week. Devlan mud I can go through twice that much. Think I sold Kommando Khaki back in November.)

I've asked/begged/threatened my GW rep for a one gallon can of Devlan Mud. So wanted it for painting the 12 foot long Chaos Cruiser that was going to games day.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

mikhaila wrote:The only box set I want is one that comes with a 12 pack of Devlan Mud.

Really they should sell that in tubs.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah but with that much Liquid Talent you could start shading your house!
"Hey dude... did you get a new car?"
"Nah man. Devlin Mud. gak does everything!"
I can even see that being one of those meme-motivational posters. Big pic of a Devlin Mud pot with "Devlin Mud - gak does everything!" on it.

Woah, nice haircut man!
Haircut? Nah, I just threw on some devlan mud this morning

mikhaila wrote:

Claimh_Solais wrote:WHY are people thinking they will stop selling washes
FFS the washes probably give GW more money then the howl lizardman range

Seriously.
I've asked/begged/threatened my GW rep for a one gallon can of Devlan Mud. So wanted it for painting the 12 foot long Chaos Cruiser that was going to games day.

Sorry, I couldn't Help myself: