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I think Romeo's Reason 5 might be accurate - but he hasn't realised that it will be himself being revealed...

Man, he just keeps digging. That "These people are the reason we diddnt unlock more cool stuff!" tangent is hilarious. He wants to whip people into a frenzy, the pathetic rabble-rouser he is. The "you'll all be sorry!" thing is also bizarre, and could possibly be construed as attempting to influence the outcome of pending legal proceedings. He's fishing for people to recant their statements.

Surprised he hasn't mouthed off on this forum yet. Gotta be the only Kickstarter where you can contribute by taking the stand in a court case.

I think we'll all notice if he decides to do so. His will be the badly disguised sock puppet accusing me of being in league with the enemies of Battle Foam and questioning my parentage, hygiene and patriotism :-P

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I think we'll all notice if he decides to do so. His will be the badly disguised sock puppet accusing me of being in league with the enemies of Battle Foam and questioning my parentage, hygiene and patriotism :-P

You Finns are the reason for America's moral decay.

 Laughing Man wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I think we'll all notice if he decides to do so. His will be the badly disguised sock puppet accusing me of being in league with the enemies of Battle Foam and questioning my parentage, hygiene and patriotism :-P

You Finns are the reason for America's moral decay.

You smelly, illegitemate Finns are the reason for America's moral decay.

You need to address every point that Agamemnon brought up (and please know that I'm joking).

what i don't get is how Romeo can claim this

Final point - This tread will be locked as of now. It is being locked because this had nothing to do with WWX or the kickstarter. Nothing that is being said by these people will delay the ks or effect it in any way. They are not the same company. WWX is simple a victim of what Nick Hayden and his pals attempted to do during the ks. Not only has Nick Hayden attempted to tarnish Battle Foam, Romeo, and their good name but pulled WWX into the mix. This was a move designed to hurt our efforts and get backers to leave.
It worked and cost WWX countless thousands of dollars in revenue because of his article and lies. That means Nick Hayden and his pals are directly to blame for all of you not unlocking specific goals and getting cooler models sooner.

but earlier in the same thread he said

The point is that Outlaw Miniatures has nothing to do with Battle Foam outside of being owned by me. It runs a different crew of employees and is in now way affected by anything Nick Hayden has done or can do

there is a big difference from no way affected to costing countless thousands of dollars
are forum posts admissible in court?

also do we need to worry about prism giving romeo our ip addresses so he can track us down, you know he wants to do that sort of thing (and i go with aol because i thought the british goverment couldn't get to them better stop googling how to start revolutions)

Just read the forum posts on the WWX site. What's intr is that they claim Battlefoam has signed statements from eye witnesses saying everything else anyone is saying is a lie. Anyone see any sign of those?

Also, what's with Romeo attracting rough types of people? Like people who think saying this "I can't STAND internet cowards like this Blood of Kittens weiner. I should probably find a picture of the guy, just in case I have a run in with him on the street." is acceptable

Sining wrote:
Just read the forum posts on the WWX site. What's intr is that they claim Battlefoam has signed statements from eye witnesses saying everything else anyone is saying is a lie. Anyone see any sign of those?

Also, what's with Romeo attracting rough types of people? Like people who think saying this "I can't STAND internet cowards like this Blood of Kittens weiner. I should probably find a picture of the guy, just in case I have a run in with him on the street." is acceptable

If he had those, wouldn't they give them to the court as evidence? How would holding onto them benefit them? If they plan on waiting till the last moment to say 'your honour, surprise evidence' or something then they just wasted all the time leading up to that fighting a case they could have won months ago. Seems incredibly wasteful and makes me doubt they exist.

I don't think you can give surprise evidence in courts in USA

 motyak wrote:

Sining wrote:
Just read the forum posts on the WWX site. What's intr is that they claim Battlefoam has signed statements from eye witnesses saying everything else anyone is saying is a lie. Anyone see any sign of those?

Also, what's with Romeo attracting rough types of people? Like people who think saying this "I can't STAND internet cowards like this Blood of Kittens weiner. I should probably find a picture of the guy, just in case I have a run in with him on the street." is acceptable

If he had those, wouldn't they give them to the court as evidence? How would holding onto them benefit them? If they plan on waiting till the last moment to say 'your honour, surprise evidence' or something then they just wasted all the time leading up to that fighting a case they could have won months ago. Seems incredibly wasteful and makes me doubt they exist.

I think it has all the hallmarks of a smoke screen delivered to his faithful.

And even if the statements were claimed to be false at court, BoK could still claim to be acting bona fide reporting what his sources told him, I doubt very much Romeo can prove an intent to deceive on Hayden's part.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 motyak wrote:

Sining wrote:
Just read the forum posts on the WWX site. What's intr is that they claim Battlefoam has signed statements from eye witnesses saying everything else anyone is saying is a lie. Anyone see any sign of those?

Also, what's with Romeo attracting rough types of people? Like people who think saying this "I can't STAND internet cowards like this Blood of Kittens weiner. I should probably find a picture of the guy, just in case I have a run in with him on the street." is acceptable

If he had those, wouldn't they give them to the court as evidence? How would holding onto them benefit them? If they plan on waiting till the last moment to say 'your honour, surprise evidence' or something then they just wasted all the time leading up to that fighting a case they could have won months ago. Seems incredibly wasteful and makes me doubt they exist.

I think it has all the hallmarks of a smoke screen delivered to his faithful.

And even if the statements were claimed to be false at court, BoK could still claim to be acting bona fide reporting what his sources told him, I doubt very much Romeo can prove an intent to deceive on Hayden's part.

Sort of like trying to take the weatherman to court, because he said it was going to be a nice day. and a sudden downpour hit. BoK will only claim to be posting information provided to him. And I cant actually fined anything in BOKs posts about the fact that BF is a bad product. the last one i read he stated the product was good. unless He has changed the posts, its a possibility.

Yeah, I don't have very good recollections of the original blog post, but I believe it was more about Romeo's business practices and conflicts with event organizers, which are what those signed statements are about.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Yeah, I don't have very good recollections of the original blog post, but I believe it was more about Romeo's business practices and conflicts with event organizers, which are what those signed statements are about.

The original blog post went back up, and was linked earlier in this thread. Here I'll link it again
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2013/03/07/meat-meta-bad-battlefoam-practices/

So let me see if I got this right...

Romeo claims that WWX has nothing to do with him except that he owns it (yes?).
Then he goes on to claim that Nick's article cost the WWX kickstarter thousands in sales and kept it from unlocking "cooler models quicker". (yes?)
But his suit says that Nick cost him/Battlefoam thousands in sales. I guess I'm missing something. If battlefoam didn't lose thousands in sales, how can this claim even go through?

Also, if I remember correctly, Kickstarter is not a store. So these aren't thousands in sales, but thousands in investments?

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Yeah, I don't have very good recollections of the original blog post, but I believe it was more about Romeo's business practices and conflicts with event organizers, which are what those signed statements are about.

The original blog post went back up, and was linked earlier in this thread. Here I'll link it again
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2013/03/07/meat-meta-bad-battlefoam-practices/

So let me see if I got this right...

Romeo claims that WWX has nothing to do with him except that he owns it (yes?).
Then he goes on to claim that Nick's article cost the WWX kickstarter thousands in sales and kept it from unlocking "cooler models quicker". (yes?)
But his suit says that Nick cost him/Battlefoam thousands in sales. I guess I'm missing something. If battlefoam didn't lose thousands in sales, how can this claim even go through?

Also, if I remember correctly, Kickstarter is not a store. So these aren't thousands in sales, but thousands in investments?

Yeah this is very true, Kickstarter is not a store ( i wish people remembered that, I'm not looking at Mantic games here what so ever). Already made my views clear on that in my blog. And the fact that in many posts he has said Loss of Sales. Not a loss of investment. So if that's what he is planning because of his Large sized mouth and its clones who also present 40k radio, then it is again a Facepalm moment for his Lawyer. When the defense lawyer brings it up.

He really would do well to hush up, before he causes himself more issues.

Oh dear.

I'll be buying Outrider from now on. I try not to buy from businesses that shout at old ladies.

So he literally just accused a bunch of people of perjury.

Good job Romeo.

Sining wrote:
Just read the forum posts on the WWX site. What's intr is that they claim Battlefoam has signed statements from eye witnesses saying everything else anyone is saying is a lie. Anyone see any sign of those?

Also, what's with Romeo attracting rough types of people? Like people who think saying this "I can't STAND internet cowards like this Blood of Kittens weiner. I should probably find a picture of the guy, just in case I have a run in with him on the street." is acceptable

Yeah, that was bad - and shockingly enough, I think that's from a fairly prolific poster here too!

But, Romeo has perhaps in the past gone too far done that type of road himself?

I love his products, but it might be time to start thinking about having Public Romeo take a long break.

If nothing else, at least until the legal issues here are sorted out!

Having just read those statments there seems to be quite a bit of hearsay and hesaid/shesaid with TOs and Mr.Romeo on what was to be provided. One man's merchandise is another's trash I suppose. Still with only one side presenting I'll hold off on 'internet outraging' until I hear the other side.

Truth is a three edged sword and all that.

I just listened to the new 40kradio podcast. and yes, it's true that right around the middle of the show, Kyle (who recently seems incapable of not starting every other sentence without "at the end of the day" or ending it with "more power to you") talks about the entire case. Now he prefaced it by saying "This is just MY personal take on this and has nothing to do with anyone else ..." so obviously he wanted everyone listening to understand that the comments were NOT coming from Romeo.

He started off by saying a lot of people are outright lying and went on to read some emails regarding prize support for one of the tournaments in question. The argument was about free frickin' t-shirts. According to the emails, BF agreed to supply $5000 worth of prize support and to team up with the TO's to co-design a tshirt that would be free for all attendees. Apparently (due to hurricane Sandy according to the emails) the tourney fell well short of it's planned attendance numbers and (according to what Kyle said he saw at the event) the organizers began selling the shirts to help recoup the losses. Kyle's version basically says they saw the shirts being sold, asked the TO's mom about it and then Kyle himself just went over to the table and took them (he felt he was ok to do this because Romeo payed for them to be made). He then handed them out for free. There was also some kerfuffle about the prize support. Again, according to Kyle, BF had specific prizes alloted for specific events. The To's mom apparently kept coming over and saying things like "well, we had hardly anyone show up for Malifuex, so we're going to take that prize and put it up for the 40k event."

So IF what Kyle is saying is true, a lot of that particular issue really is not Romeo's fault. That being said, you have to take him at his word AND assume that he really was reading from emails AND that he wasn't deliberately omitting things from said emails. He made sure to give his phone # at BF out at the end so you can call him if you have any questions about it. lol The thing is though, as others have said, if you've got all this "evidence" where has it been? Why do you keep saying "I'm going to file it, I'm going to take a sworn statement..." etc etc., instead of just filing it and making your statement.

The thing I'm still having an issue with though is the whole "click conspiracy". Not only did he invent that scenario, but he then went on to threaten BoLs by saying they would just talk to all their advertisers and take them away. Kind of an odd move considering threats of that nature were part of BoKs original blog post. What freaking mess.

If any of the legal types around here are still watching, I have a question. Romeo didn't say anything at all in this podcast. Can anything that was said on this episode be used against him in court?

What was the tournament? The only thing I can find is on DuelCon... Battlefoam's own con if I remember correctly.
So... How was DuelCon's attendance affected by hurricane Sandy? DuelCon took place a month before Sandy, and nothing else on the googles has mentioned battlfoam working with a convention about t-shirts.

 Alfndrate wrote:
What was the tournament? The only thing I can find is on DuelCon... Battlefoam's own con if I remember correctly.
So... How was DuelCon's attendance affected by hurricane Sandy? DuelCon took place a month before Sandy, and nothing else on the googles has mentioned battlfoam working with a convention about t-shirts.

The NOVA Open was the tournament in question.

 cerbrus2 wrote:

Plus they spent 10 miniutes in the beginning having a bit of a dig at DSR. by having someone pretend to be a girl on skype.

And it was funny as feth!

"What are your measurements?"

"36-24-36....9"



LO-Mother fething-L!!!

 motyak wrote:

Sining wrote:
Just read the forum posts on the WWX site. What's intr is that they claim Battlefoam has signed statements from eye witnesses saying everything else anyone is saying is a lie. Anyone see any sign of those?

Also, what's with Romeo attracting rough types of people? Like people who think saying this "I can't STAND internet cowards like this Blood of Kittens weiner. I should probably find a picture of the guy, just in case I have a run in with him on the street." is acceptable

If he had those, wouldn't they give them to the court as evidence? How would holding onto them benefit them? If they plan on waiting till the last moment to say 'your honour, surprise evidence' or something then they just wasted all the time leading up to that fighting a case they could have won months ago. Seems incredibly wasteful and makes me doubt they exist.

There are filing deadlines - Battle Foam doesn't have to file their objection until 9 days before the hearing. After Battle Foam files their objection Mr. Hayden gets a chance to file a reply. The earlier Battle Foam files its objection, the longer Mr. Hayden gets to work on his reply.

http://www.casp.net/sued-for-freedom-of-speech-california/defending-against-slapp/

Opposition. Nine court days before the hearing on your motion, the plaintiff must file and serve its legal arguments and evidence in opposition to your motion.

Reply. Five court days before the hearing on your motion, you can file and serve your reply to the plaintiff’s opposition. This may include legal arguments, additional evidence, and your objections to the plaintiff’s evidence.

 cvtuttle wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
What was the tournament? The only thing I can find is on DuelCon... Battlefoam's own con if I remember correctly.
So... How was DuelCon's attendance affected by hurricane Sandy? DuelCon took place a month before Sandy, and nothing else on the googles has mentioned battlfoam working with a convention about t-shirts.

The NOVA Open was the tournament in question.

That makes even less sense Carl! NOVA was before DuelCon . I can see if NOVA had smaller numbers due to another Hurricane that had happened at that time, but the claim (by Kyle) of Hurricane Sandy affecting NOVA is just false and frankly not in any realm of reality .

NOVA was the end of Aug/Beginning of September.

Sandy was the end of October.

 Cyporiean wrote:
NOVA was the end of Aug/Beginning of September.

Sandy was the end of October.

That's what I'm saying! How can Hurricane Sandy, a hurricane from the 22nd of October to the 29th of October affect something that had finished 2 months earlier?

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
NOVA was the end of Aug/Beginning of September.

Sandy was the end of October.

That's what I'm saying! How can Hurricane Sandy, a hurricane from the 22nd of October to the 29th of October affect something that had finished 2 months earlier?

You ninjaed me Alf

Hurricane Isaac maybe?

 cvtuttle wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
What was the tournament? The only thing I can find is on DuelCon... Battlefoam's own con if I remember correctly.
So... How was DuelCon's attendance affected by hurricane Sandy? DuelCon took place a month before Sandy, and nothing else on the googles has mentioned battlfoam working with a convention about t-shirts.

The NOVA Open was the tournament in question.

I'm pretty sure Battlefoam wasn't at NOVA in 2012. Plus, Sandy was in October with NOVA being in late August or early September.

T-shirts and harassing people? That does indeed sound like the NOVA situation, but Sandy has nothing to do with it... not sure where that's supposed to be coming from.

Edit: I didn't get ninja'd... I was just fashionably late to the party.