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Very nice kit, I think i like the Russian multi turret one more (forget the name) but very nice.

Are you referring to the T-35?

http://trenchworx.com/product/soviet-t-35/

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Are you referring to the T-35?

http://trenchworx.com/product/soviet-t-35/

TEMPT ME NOT!

This bad boy? (not anywhere near the size of the Char 2C and was commonly referred to as the "Coffin for seven brothers" or something)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HWVPs17lRI

Meh, best land ship was the Neubaufahrzeug or however you spell it. I just love the name of it, sounds so silly.

I'm partial to the sheer silliness of the SMK, at least all the other multi turret designs tried to be compact

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm partial to the sheer silliness of the SMK, at least all the other multi turret designs tried to be compact

I don't know that compact was a concept military designers put much stock in back then. At least not for a while..

Success on my Walmart price match! Once this sucker is built, I will be figuring out if I'm building an army of $10 Revell tanks..

Hello
It's a really interesting topic. I dont like the shape of the sentinel so maybe I will put some 40K gun on a historical tank as replacement (Somua S-35 <3 ).

Like this conversion from an other french guy who reshape a Leman Russ to look like to a B1Bis







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I have made this :
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B17WXevc5k51WlRROTU0ck1TVEU

This is a ppt to compare historical tank vs 40k ones

I hope it usefull


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The ppt look better if you down load it than if you just look it directly onlive (drive)

Rubicon are doing some nice deep cuts into WWII vehicles.

https://www.facebook.com/rubiconmodels/

Every IG player needs some of these.

Oh and...

Rubicon's models are sadly too small for use with 40k.

 BrookM wrote:
Rubicon's models are sadly too small for use with 40k.

Oh, that's sad

Is the Opel Blitz / Opel Maultier a "deep cut" when Germany produced several hundred thousand of them?

But yes, Rubicon and Warlord are 1/56 scale. You need like 1/35 scale for 40k's absurd anatomical proportions

Tamiya's 1/48th Opel Blitz could work. It comes out at about half the width of a Chimera, but well, civilian vehicles tend to be smaller than armoured military ones anyway. 1/35th is excessively large, rather if you want chunkier stuff than 1/43rd diecasts could work as well.

Ah, but yeah, a 1/56th scale human (not to be mistaken with say Warlord's models, which're definitely not that size) would stand at around shoulder height to an Imperial Guard model. 1/48th humans are around the same height, but much thinner. ...Its almost like GW's aesthetic comes from a time when production quality wasn't as good, so they had to make everything extra big to accommodate.

Warlord's do not go well with other ranges. I've had to resort to using Tamiya's 1:48 armour and vehicles alongside their infantry to make it look decent enough.

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Tamiya's 1/48th Opel Blitz could work. It comes out at about half the width of a Chimera, but well, civilian vehicles tend to be smaller than armoured military ones anyway. 1/35th is excessively large, rather if you want chunkier stuff than 1/43rd diecasts could work as well.

Ah, but yeah, a 1/56th scale human (not to be mistaken with say Warlord's models, which're definitely not that size) would stand at around shoulder height to an Imperial Guard model. 1/48th humans are around the same height, but much thinner. ...Its almost like GW's aesthetic comes from a time when production quality wasn't as good, so they had to make everything extra big to accommodate.

Sure they are (well sort of). 1/56 is roughly 32mm tall for a 6' man (5.442 mm per foot x 6 feet = 32.652) with the majority of Bolt Action models being 28mm to the eye. Of course, they have "heroic" proportions, unlike, say, Perry historicals, who have a far more realistic proportion. But things like '28mm" or "36mm" aren't really scales... That's why 1/56 vehicles work perfectly for, say, Bolt Action minis height, but not width. Heroic minis eat really really well I suppose. Height's quite a bit more important for a true LOS tabletop game, though...

But back on topic, one of the problems is that WW2 stuff is so easily recognized that it looks way out of place in eras that they wouldn't actually be used, like 40k. A Sherman, Tiger, T-34, Opel Blitz, CCKW, etc, are all iconic WW2 vehicles so breaks immersion if you use them in 40k. I guess that's why GW based all their tanks on bizarre interwar designs. Who's paying attention to a British Medium Mark III ?

Nah, the GW aesthetic is based entirely on the Early Citadel / Wargames Foundry aesthetic, a very particular style chosen by Bryan Ansell, Aly (Alistair) Morrison, Dave Andrews, and (teenage) Michael and Alan Perry, and continued through Kev Adams, shane Hoyle, Colin Dixon, et al, to be characterful and to distinguish their sculpts from the other more "realistic" 25mm models and Airfix plastics at the time. Citadel had no problem producing quality plastics with thin parts - is there anything in the modern 40k range that is as thin as the original Rhino's infantry-grip bar?

 judgedoug wrote:
Is the Opel Blitz / Opel Maultier a "deep cut" when Germany produced several hundred thousand of them?

But yes, Rubicon and Warlord are 1/56 scale. You need like 1/35 scale for 40k's absurd anatomical proportions

I feel like there's been an explosion of armored cars, trucks and other support vehicles in the last few years. When I was looking for civilian vehicles for 40k it seemed that historical models were limited to tanks and planes.

Anyway another nice one this time from Takom and 1/35.

https://www.facebook.com/TAKOM-354803674728188/

If you like armored cars and aren't using heroic miniatures, then Tamiya has something up your alley!

https://www.tamiyausa.com/items/plastic-model-series-20/1-48-scale-military-miniatures-10500/jgsdf-light-armored-vehicle-32590

I picked one up yesterday at the local hobby store. It's honestly a bit on the small side for most things. It has a nice opening in the top though and a cupola. I believe I will likely mount an Autocannon or similar and run it as a Salamander. I also have some Airfix snatch land rovers and other more realistic scale historical kits that will serve as Taurox and other sorts of QRF style vehicles.

Looking through the other 1/48 kits from Tamiya, I'm seeing a lot more modern vehicles pop up.. so it's probably a dangerous time to be getting back into 40k for my wallet
The full 1/48 range
https://www.tamiyausa.com/product/category.php?sub-id=10500&sort=itemhighlow&rows=100

Disclaimer - Please don't re-hash the scale argument, if you don't like 1/48 for your plastic dudesmen just ignore this post.

Any chance of a pic next to some dudesmen when you put it together?

And if 1/48th scale doesn't suit you, they've got a nice selection of 1/35th scale military stuff there too.

Nice find, MLaw!

 JoeRugby wrote:
Any chance of a pic next to some dudesmen when you put it together?

Won't be a problem but for a early approximation, I think it would hang off the edges of a 60mm base by a smidge on each side. I could be off but I won't know until I do get it together. Building Dark Imperium contents first then I'll probably get some work in on my Private Security themed AM army.

I have both the 1/35 and 1/48 LAV.
The 1/35 is the exact same size of a Rhino (so I'm using mine as Immolators for Sisters of Battle) and the 1/48 is the exact same size as a FW Tauros Assault Vehicle.

I believe I've posted size comparison of the 1/35 and a rhino in this very thread.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I have both the 1/35 and 1/48 LAV.
The 1/35 is the exact same size of a Rhino (so I'm using mine as Immolators for Sisters of Battle) and the 1/48 is the exact same size as a FW Tauros Assault Vehicle.

I believe I've posted size comparison of the 1/35 and a rhino in this very thread.

A pic of the LAV yes, but a side by side I could not find.

This is the 1/35 Scale one, will get pics of the 1/48 on friday when I go to the club where I have it.

Some new stuff from Squadron's site

https://www.squadron.com/


https://www.squadron.com/Trumpeter-1-35-BTM-3-High-Speed-Trench-Digging-Veh-p/tr09502.htm

Trumpeter 1/35 BTM-3 High-Speed Trench Digging Vehicle - TR09502

Just the thing for when you need a high speed trench dug.


https://www.squadron.com/Tamiya-1-35-Russian-KV-II-TM35063-p/tm35063.htm

Tamiya 1/35 Russian KV-II - TM35063

At $25 I think a lot of IG players might be interested.


https://www.squadron.com/Trumpeter-1-35-Soviet-2K11A-TEL-W-9M8M-Missle-Krug-p/tr09523.htm

Trumpeter 1/35 Soviet 2K11A TEL W/9M8M Missile Krug-A-(SA-4 GANEF) - TR09523

Grade A bang-bang.


https://www.squadron.com/HobbyBoss-1-35-Soviet-T-12-Medium-Tank-HY83887-p/hy83887.htm

HobbyBoss 1/35 Soviet T-12 Medium Tank - HY83887

It's got a turret with a baby turret growing out of it it's top like a chaos mutation!


https://www.squadron.com/HobbyBoss-1-35-Soviet-BA-3-Armor-Car-p/hy83838.htm

HobbyBoss 1/35 Soviet BA-3 Armor Car - HY83838

Ever popular soviet armored car on sale


https://www.squadron.com/Takom-1-35-Object-279-Soviet-Heavy-Tank-TAK2001-p/tak2001.htm

Takom 1/35 Object 279 Soviet Heavy Tank - TAK2001

4 tracked 'nuclear proof' Soviet tank


Trumpeter 1/35 KV-5 Super Heavy Tank - TR05552

https://www.squadron.com/Trumpeter-1-35-KV-5-Super-Heavy-Tank-TR05552-p/tr05552.htm

Another good Russ alternative.


Lots of other stuff and some good sales right now so it's worth checking out if you're looking for something new.

Pretty sure the KV-5 would be way too big for a Russ in 1:35, even if you shortened it. I've got one I'm planning to turn into an ork kill tank. It's pretty damn big. Not quite baneblade, but similar to a land raider in overall volume, I think.

The T-12 on the other hand seems like it has great potential.

Two interesting looking upcoming kits

1/72 battleship turret

https://hlj.com/product/MOLUA72148



Small for 40k but given how big the turret would have been can probably work as a fortification.

And 1/35 scale Lanchester WWI armored car

http://www.themodellingnews.com/2018/02/in-boxed-135th-scale-lanchester.html



With a wheel swap it'll fit right in with the grim darkness of the far future.

Kings Hobbies and Games have a range of modern vehicles in 1/50th. Whilst most of them are quite distincitvely contemporary, there's some weird looking stuff which has been started seeing use.

Case in point, the Russian FSB Zil Punisher (which yes, if you've played ARMA III, this thing is real... Crazy, crazy world).



I'd hazard that the product list is going through a revamp, so much of the older stuff is either being removed or going through a quality improvement. Expect to see newer additions coming out as well. Of course for 40K many of the vehicles may be too small, but mine resistant vehicles like the Punisher - which are deliberately enlarged for protection - may not look so out of place.

Thanks for that link... I haven't seen that site before and they a lot of interesting stuff.