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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
That's the thing with Slaanesh, everyone, GW included, gets tied up in knots tittering about boobies when there are so many other concepts within the theme that could be explored.

Speak for yourself Az. There's a whole tome dedicated to excess in the Black Crusade line. I believe it's called "Tome of Excess".

I am acquainted with said tome, I've had chance to have a long browse of it, but don't own it.

I kind of mentally exclude FFG from these sorts of things as they're normally off showing up GW somewhere in nearly all matters Warhammer anyway!

Slaanesh wrath is that you get enjoyment inflicting your anger onto other people. slaanesh is all about the power trip. it could also be described as that they love to hate someone.

If a Slaanesh character actually hates someone they wouldn't just kill the person because it's not creative enough. You keep that person in chains a beat them, but if you killed them you wouldn't be able to enjoy hateing them anymore.

khorn wrath is losing your self to blood Lust. If you hate something prove yourself by destroying the object of your hate.


It's kinda a subtle difference that comes down to are you just angry, or do you LIKE being angry.

Blatant favourtism for some lines combined with inexplicable neglect of others is like GW's entire MO. I'm pretty convinced it's because of poor oversight over the creative guys so they sort of work on whatever they think is cool at the time, and if you've got a bunch of writers who think Elves are the awesome then they'll just go with that and not really give much thought to the other stuff.

Not a good way to run a game, really, but it seems to fit what they've been doing in 40K and Fantasy for decades now.

Edit: The dumbing down of chaos is very annoying too. Pigeon holing Khorne into blind rage is pretty irritating when he used to not care from where blood flowed. He was all about being straight up and blunt, and he had the whole martial honour thing. Now it's just rage rage rage.

Nurgle is similarly lame these days.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
That's the thing with Slaanesh, everyone, GW included, gets tied up in knots tittering about boobies when there are so many other concepts within the theme that could be explored.

Speak for yourself Az. There's a whole tome dedicated to excess in the Black Crusade line. I believe it's called "Tome of Excess".

TiamatRoar wrote:
(as an aside, assuming FFG is taken as canon, it's actually just 6 deadlies for Slaanesh. Wrath is Khorne's domain and 6 is Slaanesh's sacred number. ...though IMHO that's a bit of an error because Slaanesh has been wrath in the fluff before as well, the most blatant example being the Masque. Not that I expect GW in its current state to pay attention to either. Regardless, the fact that FFG bothered to explore it is just another example of GW's subsidiaries and partners doing things better than GW)

Wrath felt to Khorne-like to me, so I used the other six for the assassins/saboteurs.

Ah. Was the "6 is Slaanesh's sacred number" thing intended or just a happy coincidence?

Well, even though Slaanesh has been a bit wrathful before, Khorne of all the gods is Slaanesh's rival so it'd be fitting that of all the sins, Slaanesh would back off that one a bit more.

At any rate, like I said, it'd be nice if we had tabletop models that reflected the potential and possibilities more. Yes, I know that it's asking a lot for GW to make models for followers and demons based on gluttony, envy, and price (or in Tzeentch's case, ambition, revolutionaries, assassins, etc) but would it be too much to ask for GW to make just a few of those instead of yet ANOTHER angry dude or pus-filled guy? Seriously, for Glottkin, we got a nurgle champion, 3 Nurgle riders, nurgle blight kings, and the Glottkin, AND THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME TO ME. (I'm aware there are some differences but it's still "Hey, a pus filled guy riding a sack of pus, a pus filled guy, a pus filled guy riding a sack of pus, and THREE pus filled guys riding a big sack of pus!" And the new Khornate units are basically "more shirtless angry guys." when most of Warriors of Chaos (even the generic ones which are meant to be markable to any god or unmarked) are already "shirtless angry guys". Heck, Hellstriders of Slaanesh IMHO look like "shirtless angry guys".

Maybe it's too hard for the modellers to sculpt something like the halo device guy on this page (http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Life_Extension_Technologies) (not Chaos but a good example of how horrifying a Slaaneshi follower/daemon based on Gluttony could look. You'd know he's Slaaneshi and not Nurgle because he has an awesome extravagant wig, clothes, and fine wine)

I know it's a typo, but I doubt GW will ever have any trouble making daemons and followers based price!

TiamatRoar wrote:
Ah. Was the "6 is Slaanesh's sacred number" thing intended or just a happy coincidence?

Just one of those things were it worked out perfectly. 6 sins? Sacred number of 6? Perfect.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
I am honestly annoyed with tyrion comming back. I know elves sell comparatively well but do they really need 4 incarnates so bad that they bring back Tyrion.

Also it just feels wrong, so many charactrs are dead and staying dead, Tyrion died a pretty cool death by batman which I think in elvish is Alith anar and bringing him back feels cheesy.

I mean light could've gone to Tehenhauin or kroac-gar or even Gilles le Breton. Im ok with fire going away from Ungrim provided he dies epically. I mean he is the SLAYER king and now with no kingdom to be beholden to he can finally seek his doom properly.

Seconded on Tyrion. I was stoked when (and for the most part, how) he died. It showed that the curse of aenerion could happen to any of the elves.

I personally would have loved to see Mazdamundi get light... to paraphrase From Dusk 'Til Dawn "Or you a lowly Slaan, or a mean mutha fething servant of The Old Ones?!"

It is depressing what ET has done with the dwarves. To read Thorgrim crush Queeks neck (the bit about his little rat claws scrabbling for purchase on the stone just as everything started going black, and then the crunch of his throat is probably the single best written violent death in the ET series thus far, imho), only to have him assassinated by SuperDuper Warp Blades For Really Reals Sniktch was a huge let down.

I dunno the Bloodthirster looks good but no where near as great and muscular as the FW one. The face is odd too, just a mashed down face with a big mouth, not protruding and hound-like in the older sculpt.

 Haight wrote:

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
I am honestly annoyed with tyrion comming back. I know elves sell comparatively well but do they really need 4 incarnates so bad that they bring back Tyrion.

Also it just feels wrong, so many charactrs are dead and staying dead, Tyrion died a pretty cool death by batman which I think in elvish is Alith anar and bringing him back feels cheesy.

I mean light could've gone to Tehenhauin or kroac-gar or even Gilles le Breton. Im ok with fire going away from Ungrim provided he dies epically. I mean he is the SLAYER king and now with no kingdom to be beholden to he can finally seek his doom properly.

Seconded on Tyrion. I was stoked when (and for the most part, how) he died. It showed that the curse of aenerion could happen to any of the elves.

I personally would have loved to see Mazdamundi get light... to paraphrase From Dusk 'Til Dawn "Or you a lowly Slaan, or a mean mutha fething servant of The Old Ones?!"

It is depressing what ET has done with the dwarves. To read Thorgrim crush Queeks neck (the bit about his little rat claws scrabbling for purchase on the stone just as everything started going black, and then the crunch of his throat is probably the single best written violent death in the ET series thus far, imho), only to have him assassinated by SuperDuper Warp Blades For Really Reals Sniktch was a huge let down.

Agreed about what ET has done with dwarves. Killing off Thorgrim was something you could grudgingly accept, as many long term established characters have suffered the same fate, but they had to go and have the Throne of Power crack and infer that Karaz-a-Karak is fallen What are the fates of the other Dwarf holds such as Karak Hirn and Karak Ziflin as well as the two up in Norsca??

I wouldn't be too excited to see elves get so many incarnates but is that not down to Teclis controlling where the winds go?

I actually hated the thorgrim-Queek fight. Then again I love Queek.

I can live with queek losing and dying it was just over too quickly for me. I get thorgrim is a super badass in combat but so is queek, I mean he fights 1v1 against an orc warboss & a wyvern, them doesn't even get 30 seconds with Thorgrim?

I guess I feel the same way about queek-Thorgrim as you do about Thorgrim-Sniktch. Just didn't feel epic. I get Snikcth is the worlds greatest assassin (his rules beast shadowblade hands down) and it was nice to see just HOW good he was but still, it felt anti-climactic. Even a dialog after thorgrim was stabbed but before he died would've helped.

What worries a little bit about the Bloodthirster kit is that they are apparently no bits to make Skarbrand out of it. Neither did the rumors mentioned him, so I fear that he could be axed in the next Armybook/Codex.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
I actually hated the thorgrim-Queek fight. Then again I love Queek.

I can live with queek losing and dying it was just over too quickly for me. I get thorgrim is a super badass in combat but so is queek, I mean he fights 1v1 against an orc warboss & a wyvern, them doesn't even get 30 seconds with Thorgrim?

I guess I feel the same way about queek-Thorgrim as you do about Thorgrim-Sniktch. Just didn't feel epic. I get Snikcth is the worlds greatest assassin (his rules beast shadowblade hands down) and it was nice to see just HOW good he was but still, it felt anti-climactic. Even a dialog after thorgrim was stabbed but before he died would've helped.

Well one, Thorgrim had the wind of metal
Two Thorgrim was super pissed off
Three RAGE!!!!!

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
I actually hated the thorgrim-Queek fight. Then again I love Queek.

I can live with queek losing and dying it was just over too quickly for me. I get thorgrim is a super badass in combat but so is queek, I mean he fights 1v1 against an orc warboss & a wyvern, them doesn't even get 30 seconds with Thorgrim?

I guess I feel the same way about queek-Thorgrim as you do about Thorgrim-Sniktch. Just didn't feel epic. I get Snikcth is the worlds greatest assassin (his rules beast shadowblade hands down) and it was nice to see just HOW good he was but still, it felt anti-climactic. Even a dialog after thorgrim was stabbed but before he died would've helped.

Yeah I'd agree with you on the Thorgrim-Queek fight. It definitely could have been made a longer instead of at the tail end of the book. Queek was really built up as a great fighter during the whole book but there wasn't even a proper fight which I guess makes Belegar look even worse as well when you think of it!!

You're right about the anti-climax...real flat ending to the book :(

Wrathmongers with wrath-flails.

Yeah.

PAIRED wrath-flails. Would take forever to mong all that wrath with just the one, so that's good.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wrathmongers with wrath-flails.

Yeah.

This is the same company that made Murderfang and Canis Wolfborn.

Looks like ogres are being rolled into orcs and goblins...........

sad sad day for such a great army book

I would like to know precisely what the feth a Grand Legion of The Everchosen is, and how it differs from Legions of Chaos !

 Haight wrote:
I would like to know precisely what the feth a Grand Legion of The Everchosen is, and how it differs from Legions of Chaos !

It includes skaven, OnG, and OK.................................

 namiel wrote:

 Haight wrote:
I would like to know precisely what the feth a Grand Legion of The Everchosen is, and how it differs from Legions of Chaos !

It includes skaven, OnG, and OK.................................

Spoiler:

i have no fething clue what im talking about

Well that sounds pretty damn badass if you ask me !

Also agreed ; i am pretty sad that it looks like Ogres are getting rolled into O&G. I would have rather seen a grand Ogre / Dwarf alliance, having the culturally promiscuous Ogres take a shining to dwarven culture (and gold!) while the Dwarves realize a useful ally and in some ways kindred spirit (stubborn, until End TImes Thanquol, reknowned reliable mercs and fighters).

Grimgor seems insane. That bound spell more than makes him worth it IMO.

Ogres and Dwarfs really seem like a better match.

That's how mine roll when we play Kings of War, which is where I guess both armies will be headed with the way things are going.

The Wrathmongers champ doesn't have a special fancy name.

Such a missed opportunity to spin that Wheel of Naming to give us Skullmonger, Mongskuller, Wrathflailer or Agent of M.O.N.G.

Skull fether?

Worst part to me is that it looks like O+G and OK aren't technically merged either, they might just be allied armies with all the allied restrictions, but Grimgor can just buff OK as well. Hope they prove me wrong as I stumbled into a 4k O+G army for only $200 bucks a couple months ago, but my first and true love is OK.

Wow more terrible infantry models that are multiple wounds.. Either the rules are changing radically very soon or GW doesn't understand why multi-wound multi-attack ranked infantry is bad.

 katfude wrote:
Worst part to me is that it looks like O+G and OK aren't technically merged either, they might just be allied armies with all the allied restrictions, but Grimgor can just buff OK as well. Hope they prove me wrong as I stumbled into a 4k O+G army for only $200 bucks a couple months ago, but my first and true love is OK.

I think it's a taste of things to come.

 Kirasu wrote:
Wow more terrible infantry models that are multiple wounds...

When you say "terrible", you're referring to their rules, yes? I ask because you said "more" terrible, implying that the Blightknights are terrible... and those models are amazing!

Yeah just the rules. At least the models are nice

Well at least none of them have the curse of the Space Wolves names. Wolfy wolf born of planet wolf