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In the long run this probably is the best way to run these types of projects, but that doesn't keep me from wanting mini only add on palette swap class upgrade boxed sets that only unlock when we reach x amount of pledges.

After seeing how tiny the tokens were that came with Forgotten King, I'd rather they just stick to giving us the most bang for our buck rather than blinging out the game.

I have to say, the game at its core must do something (or several things) very right, because here I am pledging and a portion of it is for Legends, which has almost zero details. It occurs to me that if Legends was really the sole core of this KS it would be one of the most horrific prospects ever, but as a part of something broader, I feel good about it.

As it stands I am excited for all the SDE content, and the easy entry as someone who owns none of it and who would have no concept of which add-ons would be good or (if this was run like a typical KS), feels great.

Now hopefully Legends adds meaningful weight, without just becoming a toolbox for RPG fans. I don't necessarily get worked up for a world-building lore book, but i'd love it if it added progression (which we know it is), but perhaps also note of random dungeon/quest generation, etc...

Something a lot of people are forgetting about Legends is that it does include 10 extra (albeit smaller) tiles. I would also assume these are double sided, so at the very least it will give your games more variety, especially when the Consul is building their own boards.

The wife and I are in for anything it offers for co-op players, specifically (and they have said all the campaign/adventures, etc... will support arcade mode), so my personal hope is that somehow those hallway/side-room tiles get integrated with the full-tiles in some kind of random map-maker.

Anything that can help cook up a Warhammer Quest-esque system for us to co-op would be terrific. :-p

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I have to say, the game at its core must do something (or several things) very right, because here I am pledging and a portion of it is for Legends, which has almost zero details. It occurs to me that if Legends was really the sole core of this KS it would be one of the most horrific prospects ever, but as a part of something broader, I feel good about it.

As it stands I am excited for all the SDE content, and the easy entry as someone who owns none of it and who would have no concept of which add-ons would be good or (if this was run like a typical KS), feels great.

Now hopefully Legends adds meaningful weight, without just becoming a toolbox for RPG fans. I don't necessarily get worked up for a world-building lore book, but i'd love it if it added progression (which we know it is), but perhaps also note of random dungeon/quest generation, etc...

Yeah, right now, Legends has a tough time justifying a $80 MSRP. Particularly as it is still in Alpha, with the KS backers providing Beta test support. I wonder what retail will look like.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I have to say, the game at its core must do something (or several things) very right, because here I am pledging and a portion of it is for Legends, which has almost zero details. It occurs to me that if Legends was really the sole core of this KS it would be one of the most horrific prospects ever, but as a part of something broader, I feel good about it.

As it stands I am excited for all the SDE content, and the easy entry as someone who owns none of it and who would have no concept of which add-ons would be good or (if this was run like a typical KS), feels great.

Now hopefully Legends adds meaningful weight, without just becoming a toolbox for RPG fans. I don't necessarily get worked up for a world-building lore book, but i'd love it if it added progression (which we know it is), but perhaps also note of random dungeon/quest generation, etc...

Yeah, right now, Legends has a tough time justifying a $80 MSRP. Particularly as it is still in Alpha, with the KS backers providing Beta test support. I wonder what retail will look like.

80$ without a single model will be troublesome. That dog won't hunt.

I will bet a dollar that we will see 6 pets in the core box, 6 Pets in the legends box and 6 NPCs in the legends box. And then a boxed set for the genderbent heroes.

Latest Stretch Goal is a Firefly called 'Miss Serenity Brown'. - Pure Win!

A 7th pet? I wonder if SPM is going to make 2 sets of 6 Pets - that'd be great for variety sake! And much needed for the Wonder cards.

Some interesting comments from today

The NAS/SDE crossover cards will be available in a future product.

Unknown at this time. We had a great deal of success with Ninja All-Stars's Shrine Ninja getting detailed texture on the top, and clear distinction between feet and base for attached bases. So we are exploring it for Super Dungeon so that we can eliminate the unsightly slot and tab, which breaks up the surface of the base.

It would be great if they can finally get rid of the tab slot as it ruins the look of the otherwise great bases although it would mean feet attached to bases instead. In an ideal world they'd release a pack of solid bases without the tab slots but I don't see that happening.

They could have the feet on pegs that go into little holes. Instead of huge slots, there might be a couple foot holes unfilled.

Integrated bases warp in my experience. I would rather fill bases and have them be sturdy 'base' plastic than rubbery board game plastic.

A foot peg and industrial glue they use can easily replace slots if done correctly.

fyi, MIniature Market's Daily Deal today is Forgotten King for $60: http://www.miniaturemarket.com/spm210501.html

That's a ridiculously good deal!

Sigh... of course I ordered it from them... three days ago. :-p

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Sigh... of course I ordered it from them... three days ago. :-p

Many brick and mortar stores (which they are) have a policy where if an item goes on sale within X days of purchase, you can get the difference back.

Maybe contact them about it?

I just gave it a shot. :-) Fingers crossed.

Naturally saw the deal of the day, went to check out (as my kids have been pissed I sold it off Forgotten King), and they were all gone.

Blah.

Last year, I picked up SDE 1.0 at a MM DotD for $50, and now it's $42 on Amazon. So, hopefully, we'll see this deal again.

Only one month until Black Friday!

I'm really excited to get this stuff when it releases. I know there have been some problems in the past but I still enjoy playing the new updated rule set. Having some more PVE focused campaigns will be great too! I talked to the developers at the last GenCON about the possibility of creating competitive PVP rules and they said that they were in the works. I've messed with the community PVP rules and found them to be ok but in need of some updates.

I also got into Relic Knights this year and it looks like they'll be starting their wave 2 pretty soon which means that they haven't given up on that game. After playing it I'd have to say that I the objective based gameplay coupled with the card resource management really felt fresh to me.

Soon and we will now be doing two add-ons. We maybe decided we had to do something AWESOME but it can only be done as an add-on, so we'll reveal the first one soon and the second one a bit closer to the end.

I see we got an update yesterday, for the Midnight Queen and Daemonus!



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Soda Pop Miniatures wrote:Soon and we will now be doing two add-ons. We maybe decided we had to do something AWESOME but it can only be done as an add-on, so we'll reveal the first one soon and the second one a bit closer to the end.

Reading between the lines, it's obvious that King Starfire is coming, probably at the end.

The question is what next week's add-on will be. I'm thinking maybe a Beatrix-based Level Box with Jack as the Hero.

Another $100 possibly

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It's not caverns. Price will be $50 each for those of you planning budgets.

I don't see them doing something with Beatrix and Jack as they are available now. It looks like one level type set and possibly King Starfire

$50 KS = $80 MSRP, but Level Boxes like TMT, VDM & COR are only $60 MSRP. So it'll have to be bigger. Maybe another "twins" Warband set like Frostbyte/Crown.

But definitely, King Starfire for the other, final add.

What is the difference between the Starfire we get in the set versus a potential King Starfire? Are they the same character, just one is "leveled up" (with a different sculpt/bigger size) ? Also, where can I read the lore of the world? I can't seem to find anything useful when I try to google it

King Starfire would be bigger and badder, more awesome and huge.

Legends will have a new big book of background lore, expanding greatly on what's in the Forgotten King book.

If they want to learn to make massive plastic models like King Starfire... so be it. I don't feel like people will want a 50$ single model in board game plastic.

50$ is basically a Von Drakk 3-hero box.

People pay as much, if not more for unassembled soft PVC Dragon models by Reaper, models with zero gaming content.

I actually put of purchasing Beatrix and Jack in case they make an appearance here in some form. With a fulfillment date of December 2016, I'm not sure that's going to be the case.

All the same, I'm eager to see the new(?) level box.

 Dentry wrote:
I actually put of purchasing Beatrix and Jack in case they make an appearance here in some form. With a fulfillment date of December 2016, I'm not sure that's going to be the case.

All the same, I'm eager to see the new(?) level box.

I used Miniature Market points and got Beatrix and Jack for $3

They came today, nice stuff!

Also, I hope the add-ons are level packs. Specifically:

1. Clockwork Cove. We need Gnomes! Steampunk is also very popular right now.

2. Arcadian Dunes. Everyone wants Chibi Egyptian stuff, and it could be fun to go questing in Arcadia, especially if this expansion were to be released on, say, November 1st...

What's the significance of releasing an expansion on November 1st?

50 bucks for Starfire better net me at least a tile or two and a few extra heroes or mini bosses.

Will not pay 50 bucks for a board game plastic dragon alone, chibi or not. Maybe if it was still a resin model, but it isn't, so I'm a bit hesitant to swallow that price tag until I know more details.

I could get 2 or 3 reaper dragons of comparable size, or for a little more pick up that dragon god from the Bones 3 pledge manager.

Plus there's still Arcadia's Dragon that will get released, and I'm going to be it won't be that much.