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 Kirasu wrote:
My rule for FFG is "Ignore it for 6 months and see if they actually continue support for it".

Beyond X-Wing they have a pretty awful track record. I'm tired of getting burned on their new games.

I'm trying to be a moderating cynic here, but even I can see they supported the hell out of SW Armada. It took a long hiatus of support between wave 2 and 3, but they're one wave 6 releases now, within three years of release, and by all accounts its a more balanced and diverse game now than when it launched.

Just giving credit where due.

So after getting to demo it at gencon. Usual verdict with ffg minis games is "just another minis game with special dice. "

Only suprising thing is it took them this long to it.

Nothing new, nothing innovative. And the minis are pretty huge. 32 to 35mm.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
My rule for FFG is "Ignore it for 6 months and see if they actually continue support for it".

Beyond X-Wing they have a pretty awful track record. I'm tired of getting burned on their new games.

I'm trying to be a moderating cynic here, but even I can see they supported the hell out of SW Armada. It took a long hiatus of support between wave 2 and 3, but they're one wave 6 releases now, within three years of release, and by all accounts its a more balanced and diverse game now than when it launched.

Just giving credit where due.

... and they are about to release Imperial Assaults 5th expansion.

Give me battle droids with droidekas and AATs.

Found some more pics.

https://imgur.com/gallery/Ho0KA

Still not a fan.

But as a prolific surfer of the tubes, and a gamer, I know how everyone loves more pics!

Oh, thanks. Those demo tables look cool.

Incidentally: Anyone here who has tried the old WEG's SW miniatures game? How was it? Good enough to try to find it?

I bought the rulebooks for WEG Star Wars Minis and tried to play them with WotC figs about 10 years ago, never really went off with my friends. They were very innovative and quick by 1991 standards, but they're very slow and methodical by today's standards. It was basically the RPG system pared down and turned into a combat game without any of the roleplaying aspect, so imagine playing a couple dozen low or mid-level AD&D figures against a couple dozen other low/mid AD&D characters, with a few large monsters (Vehicles) on each side. Although, the WEG RPG system was much cleaner and much faster than AD&D to begin with, but you get the idea. If you like the idea of using an RPG system scaled down so you can play out small battles, you may be very interested in the WEG SWMB. Digital versions are pretty easy to find online, if you want to give it a try

I don't like the unique dice, and counters required to play. Not crazy about them being in a different scale.

WEG, WOTC, FFG, and FFG again have alreased star wars miniatures in a different scale than their predecessors.

I just want to know what size these stormtroopers. Are they Astra Militarum, Space Marine, Primaris Marine, or larger sized?

I've been waiting 2 decades for 40K sized Star Wars Stormtroopers.

 Kalamadea wrote:
I bought the rulebooks for WEG Star Wars Minis and tried to play them with WotC figs about 10 years ago, never really went off with my friends. They were very innovative and quick by 1991 standards, but they're very slow and methodical by today's standards. It was basically the RPG system pared down and turned into a combat game without any of the roleplaying aspect, so imagine playing a couple dozen low or mid-level AD&D figures against a couple dozen other low/mid AD&D characters, with a few large monsters (Vehicles) on each side. Although, the WEG RPG system was much cleaner and much faster than AD&D to begin with, but you get the idea. If you like the idea of using an RPG system scaled down so you can play out small battles, you may be very interested in the WEG SWMB. Digital versions are pretty easy to find online, if you want to give it a try

Thanks! That doesn't seem particularly appealing, but I did like WEG's system back in the day, so who knows.

 adamsouza wrote:
I don't like the unique dice, and counters required to play. Not crazy about them being in a different scale.

WEG, WOTC, FFG, and FFG again have alreased star wars miniatures in a different scale than their predecessors.

I just want to know what size these stormtroopers. Are they Astra Militarum, Space Marine, Primaris Marine, or larger sized?

I've been waiting 2 decades for 40K sized Star Wars Stormtroopers.

At this point It's looking like they will be a head taller(Luke has been mentioned at 35mm tall) than 40k guard(30mm), slightly shorter than primaris(38mm)

For me their too big to fit with my collection but these resin masters might be larger for shrinkage if their using pvc etc...

 JoeRugby wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I don't like the unique dice, and counters required to play. Not crazy about them being in a different scale.

WEG, WOTC, FFG, and FFG again have alreased star wars miniatures in a different scale than their predecessors.

I just want to know what size these stormtroopers. Are they Astra Militarum, Space Marine, Primaris Marine, or larger sized?

I've been waiting 2 decades for 40K sized Star Wars Stormtroopers.

At this point It's looking like they will be a head taller(Luke has been mentioned at 35mm tall) than 40k guard(30mm), slightly shorter than primaris(38mm)

For me their too big to fit with my collection but these resin masters might be larger for shrinkage if their using pvc etc...

I was wondering as well whether they were printed at 100% for the PVC masters and not at a smaller size to account for the shrinkage that will inevitably happen with the PVC end product.

You know I thought this would be cooler looking than it is, but I think I'll stick to Armada as my preferred game. It's simply too small scale and I don't like the models.

Which is weird since for years I've wanted a star wars ground based mini's game but now that I actually see it it's not exciting me. Probably also has to do with how full my plate is with hobby projects from different hobbies so I'm good.

Not sure I understand "too small a scale". A standard game is twice what a starter offers which is in itself 13-14 troopers, a hero and 1-2 light vehicles.

I understand the "additional game" problems, though. Its too much for me to dedicate to another game, unfortunately, awesome as it is. I have to stick to Armada.

Wake me up when they release the ewok army.

I want a big huge battle like Hoth or Scarif. Not a tiny skirmish game.

 Gamgee wrote:
I want a big huge battle like Hoth or Scarif. Not a tiny skirmish game.

That's possible at this scale. Depending on how the system pans out, it might be relatively fast to resolve a turn even if you're playing a huge game.

If it is possible then the only thing holding me back is time and money. I am getting Kingdom Death this year no matter what I have to do to get a box.

With these sized miniatures, you could do a slightly scaled down battle of hoth on a 8x6 or so sized table. AT-ATs wouldn't be to scale with the 28mm models, but they could still be 15 or so inches tall.

I'll give it a try but I'd say that a Dropzone Commander-scale (~15mm iirc) and -style Star Wars battles game would be far more interesting.

 Grey Templar wrote:
With these sized miniatures, you could do a slightly scaled down battle of hoth on a 8x6 or so sized table. AT-ATs wouldn't be to scale with the 28mm models, but they could still be 15 or so inches tall.

The WotC AT-AT is around 12" tall, which is only fractionally too small, and looks impressive enough on the table.

Aeneades wrote:

Mitochondria wrote:
I keep seeing people saying that FFG does not have a license to make Star Wars boardgames.

This seems to be untrue because they make Rebellion and that is definitely a boardgame.

Fantasy Flight do not have the Star Wars Boardgame licence and they originally tried to get around this by claiming that Imperial Assault was a miniatures game rather than a board game. This argument didn't work and they ended up coming to an agreement with Harsbo where they are not able to sell it directly to through there own webstore though and all sales / distribution have to go through Hasbro, this makes the profit margins on it much slimmer. They then used this new agreement to make Rebellion.

See the "Not Available" on the right hand side of the product page - https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/11/3/star-wars-rebellion/

I believe you are mistaken.

Rebellion is still selling, it is a boardgame, and an expansion based on Rogue One is due out shortly.

The "only Hasbro makes Star Wars boardgames" rumor continues to be just that, a rumor.


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 Manchu wrote:

Mitochondria wrote:
This seems to be untrue because they make Rebellion and that is definitely a board game.

I asked around about this over on the FFG forum. The story appears to be that Hasbro and FFG had a dispute about the SW license regarding board games and as part of the resolution, FFG can no longer make direct sales of Imperial Assault and Rbellion and Hasbro has some kind of distribution rights as to those games, Who knows how true this is, but those games are indeed listed as "not available" on FFG's site.

Mitochondria wrote:
Also, at 30-35mm in size, the miniatures are far too large to field a "Legion".

Also, there is only one war portrayed in the original movie trilogy - hardly "Star Wars."

We are far beyond the original trilogy with eight movies out there in the wild. Pleanty of material to pull from.

The "no direct distribution" thing is weird considering an expansion for Rebellion is due out shortly.

Another version of the rumor, or maybe another way of expressing the same rumor, is that Hasbro is the direct license-holder and FFG is a sub-licensee.

BoW article: http://www.beastsofwar.com/star-wars-legion/coming-tabletop-ffg/

For the record, a full game is supposed to be 800 points per side.

How many points in the starter set? i missed that somewhere

About 500 per side after included upgrades, iirc.

Mitochondria wrote:

Aeneades wrote:

Mitochondria wrote:
I keep seeing people saying that FFG does not have a license to make Star Wars boardgames.

This seems to be untrue because they make Rebellion and that is definitely a boardgame.

Fantasy Flight do not have the Star Wars Boardgame licence and they originally tried to get around this by claiming that Imperial Assault was a miniatures game rather than a board game. This argument didn't work and they ended up coming to an agreement with Harsbo where they are not able to sell it directly to through there own webstore though and all sales / distribution have to go through Hasbro, this makes the profit margins on it much slimmer. They then used this new agreement to make Rebellion.

See the "Not Available" on the right hand side of the product page - https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/11/3/star-wars-rebellion/

I believe you are mistaken.

Rebellion is still selling, it is a boardgame, and an expansion based on Rogue One is due out shortly.

The "only Hasbro makes Star Wars boardgames" rumor continues to be just that, a rumor.

I know that Rebellion and Imperial Assault are still being sold and that further expansions are on the way but Fantasy Flight are not able to sell them direct, only through Hasbro which is why the "Not Available" is listed against (and always has been listed against) every Rebellion and Imperial Assault item on the Fantasy Flight website (which is also an online store) where as every other item they currently produce is listed as available.

Am feeling the need to start practicing my black-lining skills!

Aeneades wrote:
I know that Rebellion and Imperial Assault are still being sold and that further expansions are on the way but Fantasy Flight are not able to sell them direct, only through Hasbro which is why the "Not Available" is listed against (and always has been listed against) every Rebellion and Imperial Assault item on the Fantasy Flight website (which is also an online store) where as every other item they currently produce is listed as available.

That would be the case worldwide, would it not? Because the Fantasy Flight Spain's site allows you to buy both direct. I just checked.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.es/juegos/coleccion/star_wars_imperial_assault
http://www.fantasyflightgames.es/juegos/coleccion/star_wars_rebellion

"Añadir a la Cesta" means "Add to cart", btw.

I wonder how badly the heroes will be struck with the movie marines effect for game balance. Going by the source material Luke and especially Vader should be able to take on the other sides grunts all by themselves.