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 Kirasu wrote:
Amazing, destroying the 25 year old eldar fluff to satisfy the comic book quality "plot" of Ynarri.

The helmet part? The Dire Avengers have had an unhelmeted Exarch for like 8 years now.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Amazing, destroying the 25 year old eldar fluff to satisfy the comic book quality "plot" of Ynarri.

The helmet part? The Dire Avengers have had an unhelmeted Exarch for like 8 years now.

No, the no helmet look is stupid from a battlefield perspective but that is not what is being retconned for the sake of new comic book level fluff.

What is comic book level ?

Ignore me.

*edit: got carried away*

Does anyone in this thread actually play eldar because all I see is industrial levels of salt towards the eldar aesthetic. I mean, I know there was a meme back in 7th edition about nobody playing against eldar armies and shunning eldar players but jeez man.

Its literally the same banshee sculpt as before, and thats a good thing. Eldar don't need to reinvent whats not broken. 90% of Warhammer armies have unhelmeted models (usually squad leaders too) and honestly, the hair being part of the helmet or not is the most pendantic thing to argue about.

Well now you see the position Craftworlds players are in i.e. we get updated gak so rarely that we are ready to argue over a stupid helmet for pages since there's kinda nothing else to do.

 Kirasu wrote:
An aspect warrior unit wouldnt remove their armor in the middle of battle. The whole idea of soldiers without their proper uniform and protective equipment on during combat has always been totally absurd (yet people love helmetless marines).

A banshee mask requires the hardware to provide the disorienting shriek but the "helmet" part could be removed I'm sure. They could also simply remove the emitters and keep the helmet on like a smart warrior.

Why? I've seen plenty of photographs of US Marines from the height of the wars in the middle east sans helmets.

 Shadenuat wrote:
Well now you see the position Craftworlds players are in i.e. we get updated gak so rarely that we are ready to argue over a stupid helmet for pages since there's kinda nothing else to do.

So funny!

I do find the beef with the aesthetic, for models that have been requested for years, a bit much to be honest. Particularly when we can see so little of the models.

The only thing I dont like about it (while still being surprised at it actually being such a conservative design) is the pose. I can't really put it into solid words, but I'm not feeling as much ... energy, perhaps, as I do from the current Exarch sculpt. Very nice model, and I dare say one will find its way into the Host, but ... Hmm.

Sorry for being so wishy-washy but it's rather hard to find the words.

 Togusa wrote:
Why? I've seen plenty of photographs of US Marines from the height of the wars in the middle east sans helmets.

The helmet is a part of inclosed system, protecting against gas attacks (was a thing once in the game), running targeting information, night vision etc.

The obvious reason why helmet can be removed is rule of cool.

But for some reason Ynnari remove them cause they're Ynnari. Which means that GW might be a bit confused themselves what do actual physical masks mean. More so it's an Exarch, and by old lore those get consumed by armor like Phoenix Lords are (who are basically original Exarches). Which is where another part of confusion comes.

 Shadenuat wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Why? I've seen plenty of photographs of US Marines from the height of the wars in the middle east sans helmets.

The helmet is a part of inclosed system, protecting against gas attacks (was a thing once in the game), running targeting information, night vision etc.

The obvious reason why helmet can be removed is rule of cool.

But for some reason Ynnari remove them cause they're Ynnari. Which means that GW might be a bit confused themselves what do actual physical masks mean.

They probably have a death wish?

Not Online!!! wrote:
They probably have a death wish?

Ha-ha.

But it might be kinda close to truth. Like, CW wear masks to distance themselves from reality of war and not submit to bloodthirst; but Ynnari are fine with this. The aspect armor is full of symbolism after all.

Bharring wrote:
There is some lore that Autarchs were Exarchs of multiple paths previously.

I don't think so. They have been Aspect Warriors of multiple paths, not Exarchs.

Maybe these aren't Exarchs who turned from Khaine to Ynnead, but rather but rather aspect warriors who have devoted themselves to Ynnead and then become Exarchs.

Under Khaine you can't remove your helmet because you're physically subsumed into the armor over who knows how many centuries. Under Ynnead, being an Exarch might mean something completely different.

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
Maybe these aren't Exarchs who turned from Khaine to Ynnead, but rather but rather aspect warriors who have devoted themselves to Ynnead and then become Exarchs.

Under Khaine you can't remove your helmet because you're physically subsumed into the armor over who knows how many centuries. Under Ynnead, being an Exarch might mean something completely different.

Sure. But then you'd be an Exarch of Ynnead, not a Howling Banshee Aspect, etc.

 Platuan4th wrote:
I think a lot of people here don't really get how pantheons work. Just because you dedicate your service to one god doesn't mean you stop paying tribute to the rest.

Helping the Ynnari achieve their goals doesn't suddenly mean that Kahinites aren't still dedicated to Khaine.

That's true but taking your worship away from one god and giving it all to another seems like a bad thing for a priest whose become irretrievably obsessed to do.

 Shadenuat wrote:
Which means that GW might be a bit confused themselves what do actual physical masks mean.

People don't seem to get, GW is nowhere near obsessed with it's own lore as the most rabid fans are. If somehow there was a million-strong customer base for female marines tomorrow, they'd trip over themselves to release those, all previous fluff be damned.

I for one highly approve of the models, they look nice and dynamic, and it's nice to see more faces among the eldar lineup.

Obviously. I doubt it's Thorpe who is furiously typing the news on GW website.

It would be nice if those finally would be some female faces goddamit.

 Shadenuat wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
They probably have a death wish?

Ha-ha.

But it might be kinda close to truth. Like, CW wear masks to distance themselves from reality of war and not submit to bloodthirst; but Ynnari are fine with this. The aspect armor is full of symbolism after all.

When the jokes hit to close on target.




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 Shadenuat wrote:
Obviously. I doubt it's Thorpe who is furiously typing the news on GW website.

It would be nice if those finally would be some female faces goddamit.

What's wrong with the faces?

There aren't any in Craftworlds miniature line.

 Togusa wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
An aspect warrior unit wouldnt remove their armor in the middle of battle. The whole idea of soldiers without their proper uniform and protective equipment on during combat has always been totally absurd (yet people love helmetless marines).

A banshee mask requires the hardware to provide the disorienting shriek but the "helmet" part could be removed I'm sure. They could also simply remove the emitters and keep the helmet on like a smart warrior.

Why? I've seen plenty of photographs of US Marines from the height of the wars in the middle east sans helmets.

Well, clearly helmets are highly valuable in all the hand-to-hand infantry combat that's strictly realistic in a future with ranged weaponry that can destroy entire planets from orbit.

 Shadenuat wrote:
There aren't any in Craftworlds miniature line.

as in the faces are just for Ynnari usefull?


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 gorgon wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
An aspect warrior unit wouldnt remove their armor in the middle of battle. The whole idea of soldiers without their proper uniform and protective equipment on during combat has always been totally absurd (yet people love helmetless marines).

A banshee mask requires the hardware to provide the disorienting shriek but the "helmet" part could be removed I'm sure. They could also simply remove the emitters and keep the helmet on like a smart warrior.

Why? I've seen plenty of photographs of US Marines from the height of the wars in the middle east sans helmets.

Well, clearly helmets are highly valuable in all the hand-to-hand infantry combat that's strictly realistic in a future with ranged weaponry that can destroy entire planets from orbit.

Helmets got reintroduced during WW1 to protect from death through shrappnell to the face.
And sometimes you can't just bomb the gak out of a planet.

Helms in the 40K world likely help with things like vision aids; breathing filters and air supply; armour and protection from harm (from shrapnel all gasses, acides, blades, claws, talons, drool, lasers etc...).


However at the same time don't forget some artwork shows a helm-less character but at the same time their neck is a mass of pipes and cables. Clearly some characters have enough bio-augmentations that the helm is more for for the uniform than functional.

If the argument is that guns and weapons are so deadly that the helm offers no net benefit then its removal might well not be an issue


Then there's the rule of cool - which supersedes most other arguments in artwork/models.

 Don Savik wrote:
Does anyone in this thread actually play eldar because all I see is industrial levels of salt towards the eldar aesthetic.

Well, I'm here because I was promised a release that would include not just Eldar but also DE, Harlequins and Ynnari.

Still waiting for anything relating to DE or Harlequins so in the meantime I might as well comment on the Banshee models.

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 Don Savik wrote:
Does anyone in this thread actually play eldar because all I see is industrial levels of salt towards the eldar aesthetic.

Well, I'm here because I was promised a release that would include not just Eldar but also DE, Harlequins and Ynnari.

Still waiting for anything relating to DE or Harlequins so in the meantime I might as well comment on the Banshee models.

Who promised you DE, Harlequins and Ynarri releases? E - in this, Craftworld focused release?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 Don Savik wrote:
Does anyone in this thread actually play eldar because all I see is industrial levels of salt towards the eldar aesthetic.

Well, I'm here because I was promised a release that would include not just Eldar but also DE, Harlequins and Ynnari.

Still waiting for anything relating to DE or Harlequins so in the meantime I might as well comment on the Banshee models.

Who promised you DE, Harlequins and Ynarri releases? E - in this, Craftworld focused release?

yeah assuming this involves dark eldar is silly when they've not said so. it's possiable the two factions paid attention by this book are CWE and Ynnari

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 Don Savik wrote:
Does anyone in this thread actually play eldar because all I see is industrial levels of salt towards the eldar aesthetic.

Well, I'm here because I was promised a release that would include not just Eldar but also DE, Harlequins and Ynnari.

Still waiting for anything relating to DE or Harlequins so in the meantime I might as well comment on the Banshee models.

Who promised you DE, Harlequins and Ynarri releases? E - in this, Craftworld focused release?

ZOMG OCTELFBER IS LIKE ORKTOBER ALL OVER AGAIN

Edit: Aelftober? Octobelf?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 Don Savik wrote:
Does anyone in this thread actually play eldar because all I see is industrial levels of salt towards the eldar aesthetic.

Well, I'm here because I was promised a release that would include not just Eldar but also DE, Harlequins and Ynnari.

Still waiting for anything relating to DE or Harlequins so in the meantime I might as well comment on the Banshee models.

Who promised you DE, Harlequins and Ynarri releases? E - in this, Craftworld focused release?

"Phoenix Rising
The ancient and proud Aeldari race is split into various factions. The stoic and noble Asuryani live their lives adrift on planet-sized Craftworlds. The depraved Drukhari venture forth from the dark metropolis of Commorragh to raid and pillage. The mysterious Harlequins travel the galaxy according to their unfathomable whims via the webway. And the newly formed Ynnari, comprised of members from all walks of Aeldari life, are united in the desire to awaken Ynnead, god of the dead."

Gosh, can't imagine why I thought the release might involve Dark Eldar, Harlequins and/or Ynnari.

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 Don Savik wrote:
Does anyone in this thread actually play eldar because all I see is industrial levels of salt towards the eldar aesthetic.

Well, I'm here because I was promised a release that would include not just Eldar but also DE, Harlequins and Ynnari.

Still waiting for anything relating to DE or Harlequins so in the meantime I might as well comment on the Banshee models.

Who promised you DE, Harlequins and Ynarri releases? E - in this, Craftworld focused release?

"Phoenix Rising
The ancient and proud Aeldari race is split into various factions. The stoic and noble Asuryani live their lives adrift on planet-sized Craftworlds. The depraved Drukhari venture forth from the dark metropolis of Commorragh to raid and pillage. The mysterious Harlequins travel the galaxy according to their unfathomable whims via the webway. And the newly formed Ynnari, comprised of members from all walks of Aeldari life, are united in the desire to awaken Ynnead, god of the dead."

Gosh, can't imagine why I thought the release might involve Dark Eldar, Harlequins and/or Ynnari.

That doesn't promise new plastic for those armies.